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Originally posted by verndogs I'd support the local team here (Red Bull New York) if it wasn't such a pain in the ass to get to the games

i think you've been to old trafford more than the meadowlands in the last 3 years

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Originally posted by wotyzoid I guess that kind of sums about how much I know about it technically.

Yeah, and you've got most of it wrong. In the eleven years you've been watching Chelsea, I don't think they've finished outside the Top 10 of the top league of English football once. And that's just the very top of a huge pyramid that runs to hundreds of teams and dozens of leagues.

Now forgive me for being cynical about foreign fans of "English soccer" when none of them ever seem to support a team that isn't in the Champion's League positions or know anything about English football outside of the little sphere their teams dwell in. Even eleven years ago Chelsea were FA Cup holders and playing in Europe. Twenty years ago Liverpool were league champions.

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Originally posted by verndogs When you get old enough (youngin ), you should come across the river to NYC to Nevada Smiths to watch a game. It's the closest thing you'll come to watching a game at a European bar in the US

where you there today M8?

what a crackin' game.

i'm a bar�a fan, but since it was only on, on three screens (and since there was no way we were going to lose) i watched the liverpool game instead. tough luck. i'm spanish, so we tend to support Liverpool since they have more of our players in their team, and i generally prefer them over any other british team.
it will be easier to watch a Chelsea vs Bar�a game, i won't be as divided. Barcelona is going to own Chelsea.

can't wait for the next game at Nevadasmith's
hopefully i'm off again.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Now forgive me for being cynical about foreign fans of "English soccer" when none of them ever seem to support a team that isn't in the Champion's League positions or know anything about English football outside of the little sphere their teams dwell in. Even eleven years ago Chelsea were FA Cup holders and playing in Europe. Twenty years ago Liverpool were league champions.

pffft. who wants to go for shit teams we never see on tv?

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike I also love how you only ever see foreigners supporting Liverpool, Chelsea or Manchester Utd. When was the last time you saw a yank supporting West Brom? If it wasn't so pathetic it'd almost be laughable.

Find me a brit who supports the minnesota timberwolves or a baseball team that doesnt call itself the yankees or red sox and wel talk

If you not local , ur not going to support a smaller team. Only the big clubs get media coverage outside of Europe so how are people even to know for example who west brom is when they havent seen them play unless they are playing a big club who usually gives them a pasting.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN pffft. who wants to go for shit teams we never see on tv?

I said good day.

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Originally posted by raveed Find me a brit who supports the minnesota timberwolves or a baseball team that doesnt call itself the yankees or red sox and wel talk

Find me a Brit who gives a shit about American sports and your analogy might be more apt. Few people are in the habit of pretending they're part of a sporting culture they know almost nothing about.

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Originally posted by daydreamer where you there today M8? what a crackin' game. i'm a bar�a fan, but since it was only on, on three screens (and since there was no way we were going to lose) i watched the liverpool game instead. tough luck. i'm spanish, so we tend to support Liverpool since they have more of our players in their team, and i generally prefer them over any other british team. it will be easier to watch a Chelsea vs Bar�a game, i won't be as divided. Barcelona is going to own Chelsea. can't wait for the next game at Nevadasmith's hopefully i'm off again.

at work

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Originally posted by Dervish Hate being a dick about this kinda stuff but by Vilbao do you mean Bilbao which is also Athletic (Bilbao)?

bilbao maybe...

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Few people are in the habit of pretending they're part of a sporting culture they know almost nothing about.

find me a single poster here who was attempting to be part of the "sporting culture"?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Find me a Brit who gives a shit about American sports and your analogy might be more apt. Few people are in the habit of pretending they're part of a sporting culture they know almost nothing about.

http://www.baseballfan.co.uk/

then you got those fans who showed up to Wembley to watch the NFL games

just to name two

obviously the supporters of American sports in England are not in big numbers, but they do exist

the nhl pre season games in england sold out in about an hour

ian tries to like hockey, but picked the team with the best player. I will give him credit for following it in a place it is not easy to.

black people from any country like basketball

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN find me a single poster here who was attempting to be part of the "sporting culture"?

As I've already said: "we" is a self-inclusive pronoun. Including yourself = attempting to be part of. English clubs = part of English football culture.

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Originally posted by verndogs obviously the supporters of American sports in England are not in big numbers, but they do exist

Hence why I said "few people" rather than "nobody". You're talking fractions of percentages of the population who follow American sports. Brazil played Italy at Wembley recently and not much of that crowd were English.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J As I've already said: "we" is a self-inclusive pronoun. Including yourself = attempting to be part of. English clubs = part of English football culture.

no, it isn't. not even close.

to be fair, how much of england is "real" english anymore

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, it isn't. not even close.

Yes it fucking is. When someone says "We deserved to win" or similar in a footballing context they're not saying "Me and fellow members of the foreign fanbase" they're saying "the team". Case in point:

"I just hope we can hold them off."

He's quite obviously not referring to himself or any supporters because none of the supporters nor him are actually playing Liverpool. It would be semantic gibberish if the "we" is supposed to include the supporters. It's not even as if, by sitting there watching his TV/Internet stream in the US, he's taking part in an indirect way in Chelsea "holding off" Liverpool.

By saying "we" he is including the team, the manager, the coaching staff and all the supporters there actually audibly motivating the players in a bracket with himself. Now, literally speaking, he's having fuck-all effect on the game. He isn't actually part of what's happening at Stamford Bridge. That's why he's attempting to include himself. By becoming part of some spacially transcendental totality with the club he's trying to include himself in the club.

Now at this point you've got one of two options. Either that includes the culture surrounding the club that gives it identity as much as any players on the pitch, in which case he's deluded, or his "support" of the club doesn't extend beyond what he's seeing on screen. In the former case: I win. In the latter case, he's fucking plastic! He's not "as much of a fan" as people who are actually part of the club on a less superficial level.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Blah blah blah, babble babble babble

WOW. 'nuff said.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid WOW. 'nuff said.

what he said.

Babble was a nice touch.

System has been spot on from the outset.

i'm sorry, i'll use "the team that i root for, [blank]" instead of we, to placate someone a few thousand miles away. for ALL teams i root for.

all i have to say is that i hope WE manage to beat united to the title, despite OUR recent losses to chelsea in the CL. i hope MY faith in MY team isn't misplaced and WE'LL be able to hold the cup aloft after the 38th game.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN all i have to say is that i hope WE manage to beat united to the title, despite OUR recent losses to chelsea in the CL. i hope MY faith in MY team isn't misplaced and WE'LL be able to hold the cup aloft after the 38th game.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You know you're trolling when you're Canadian and you're belittling someone else's culture. Have you guys decided yet whether your greatest cultural export is Nickelback or Due South? Tough decision, I know.

Ouch , also " collect your tears in a glass and have a drink of bitter ". Nice work

ps Trilogy aint half bad either.

he forgot Deadmau5.

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