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Originally posted by cronodevir The simple fact is your supporting methods that are demonstratively inferior. What your saying, is the exact opposite to what happens. That is why I disagree.

No they are not, you just FAIL to see the benefits, and that is really your loss.

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Originally posted by Subtle No they are not, you just FAIL to see the benefits, and that is really your loss.

Low Latency only benefits those who still use hardware. Your argument about law latency is based on the practices that are pretty much gone, if not now then in the next 10 or so years. Welcome to the 21st Century, Where a lot of music is, or will be software based.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Latency only benefits those who still use hardware.

Then please, just please tell me why i find it annoying and inconvenient when the sound comes late after i press a key on the keyboard, could you please tell me ?

Or again, maybe im just imagining that im annoyed when sound does not come as im used to when i press a key ?

Why do i even switch to my soundcards ASIO driver instead of the Full Duplex one in Cubase which gives me double the latency ?

Because im not sure i know anymore, it could be because:

I LIKE THE SOUND TO COME IMMEDIATELY AFTER I PRESS PLAY ?

I LIKE THE NOTES TO APPEAR IN THE SEQUENCER AS I PLAYED THEM ?

I like my sequencer to be responsive, but it must just be a conspiracy of some sort, im probably just hearing things that arent there.

Maybe i should go visit a shrink or something ?

Ok can SOMEONE PLEASE tell me this?

Last time I logged in there was one page and now theres 11.
Is that all off topic talk or if anyone has read, is it worth to read through for my original topic?

Fuck it, I'm gonna prob read it all anyway!

We got into another debate again.

Subtle. That's not what I experience, you must be doing something wrong.

[This is all funny because I do use low latency for jam sessions, but I'm playing along. shhhh]

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Originally posted by cronodevir We got into another debate again. Subtle. That's not what I experience, you must be doing something wrong. [This is all funny because I do use low latency for jam sessions, but I'm playing along. shhhh]

You know what, there is no other explanation that you are just acting and messing with us all.

In reality you probably know all this but you just argue for the sake of it!

You are probably laughing your ass off behind the computer when you look at the obvious counter arguments against you, and us wasting our precious time actually bothering to argue against.

Well you had me fooled.

I know at least im not going to debate you again, on the very second page everything is explained easy and properly, even my mom would understand why lower latencies are better.

I told you, I'm going to treat others as they treat me. That is my new found policy :P

Sure I know exactly why low latency is good. I also know what the benefits of high latency are.

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Originally posted by cronodevir I told you, I'm going to treat others as they treat me. That is my new found policy :P Sure I know exactly why low latency is good. I also know what the benefits of high latency are.

And so do I.

+11 pages and counting...

I bet you 5 dollars we can get to page 20.

Real Musicians don't need good monitors.

You know, that is a nice policy. "Don't argue with me". After all, I don't follow you into threads and tell you how wrong you are.

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Originally posted by cronodevir You know, that is a nice policy. "Don't argue with me". .

This will be my life policy from now on.

There is no measure in how much time i`ve wasted arguing with you instead of actually working on the track in my open sequencer.

The benefits of high latency?

wtf? Thats like trying to make a track drunk, let me hit a key and wait for it to make noise?

Fvck that.

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Originally posted by Subtle This will be my life policy from now on. There is no measure in how much time i`ve wasted arguing with you instead of actually working on the track in my open sequencer.

Lol don't take the internet too seriously. This place is a casual talking space to me, nothing more. Believe me If i had spent this time in my sequencer I would have gotten a lot done too.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox The benefits of high latency? wtf? Thats like trying to make a track drunk, let me hit a key and wait for it to make noise? Fvck that.

Yeah! But no one uses hardware in 2009! So its like..who hits keys anymore?!

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Originally posted by cronodevir Yeah! But no one uses hardware in 2009! So its like..who hits keys anymore?!

Everyone who owns a midi keyboard lol? scratches head

I have a midi keyboard, I record midi notes at high latency. Midi information doesn't have a delay or lag to it.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker That said, you'd make a very good troll - if only you knew that you were trolling.

That's what makes him the best.

That being said...I've been taking notes...

-After you contradict yourself, go off on a tangent, repeat
-After 10 pages of trolling, get back on topic to avoid looking too obvious
-Include other smaller topics that don't attempt to troll
-Pretend to know everything
-Dump girlfriend/divorce wife for extra troll time
-Move microwave next to computer to heat up pizza pockets

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Originally posted by Beatflux That's what makes him the best. That being said...I've been taking notes... -After you contradict yourself, go off on a tangent, repeat -After 10 pages of trolling, get back on topic to avoid looking too obvious -Include other smaller topics that don't attempt to troll -Pretend to know everything -Dump girlfriend/divorce wife for extra troll time -Move microwave next to computer to heat up pizza pockets

I don't contradict myself.

/thread

pls

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Originally posted by cronodevir I have a midi keyboard, I record midi notes at high latency. Midi information doesn't have a delay or lag to it.

So wait, are you trying to argue that the quantize functions in DAWs have no purpose? Isn't this why they were made?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox So wait, are you trying to argue that the quantize functions in DAWs have no purpose? Isn't this why they were made?

What does that have to do with latency? The quantize function straightens the notes to a certain beat level, such as every note, every half note, every quarter note etc etc... And that happens when the user messes up. Has nothing to do with latency. Latency only effects the sound not the midi information.

Personally Ive never had to use it.

instead of discussing the benifits of low latency which you obviouslt don't see as pertinent, what are the benifits of high latency ?

You've already accepted that it has no effect on the CPU and you know from my account of telling you that most cards can handle 256-512 with no problem( no pops or clicks )

name one benifit

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Originally posted by cronodevir What does that have to do with latency? The quantize function straightens the notes to a certain beat level, such as every note, every half note, every quarter note etc etc... And that happens when the user messes up. Has nothing to do with latency. Latency only effects the sound not the midi information. Personally Ive never had to use it.

I don't record enough to have actually realized that.(that a gap is created between midi and sound information after pressing a key) Even though I use my midi keyboard to find note progressions I still always click them in with the mouse.


Ok, so no big deal. I'm sure theres pro's and cons to both sides of this debate, but I still would veer to say that most people prefer the lowest latency they can get.
And I'm still not 100% sure what you're saying though about sound quality and latency.

If I have a low latency, sure my sound quality can go to shit in real time. But when I render the track its not affecting anything and is still rendered at the same quality a high latency setting would (speaking in terms of softsynths)
So you're saying a higher latency is better when someones experiencing underuns?

Because thats common knowledge and I don't see what this actual debate is about.
Are you saying AFTER the underun/click/pop point, that theres still an improvement in sound quality?

Like if I'm getting underuns hitting 85% cpu at x latency setting, then I increase my latency and underuns stop, and CPU may drop a few percent, are you saying a further increase after the underun point is gonna make the sound quality better?
Because I've never noticed anything like that in my life.

I'm not trying to argue as much as I'm trying to understand specifically what you're actual arguement is and what you're refering to.

i hope this doesn't make cronodir too angry but i use a latency of 128 or 256 at 96 khz.

the biggest benifit of all, after all the ones already mentioned is that i am one impatient SOB. When i hit play, i want it to play right now.

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Originally posted by RichieV i hope this doesn't make cronodir too angry but i use a latency of 128

I never understood how people stick to a certain number.

I always start my tracks as low as I can go. Then I'll add a synth, underuns start and I adjust it again.

Add another synth, adjust it again.

So I'm changing my latency all the way up till I'm done with the track.
Thats prob also cause I have a shitty pentium D and HAVE to do that.

When my core comes if I can add synths w/out needing to compensate literally every instance I add, that would be cool.

never had a need to increase it. I use the lowest stable setting and that happens to be 128. I do change it when mixing to 256 because i mix at a higher sample rate.

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