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honestly, I think you are all one big bunch of losers.

except for a few in here that do offer some good insights

that is all, do go on...

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Just as a point of clarification... PKC does not hate Christians; rather, he takes great umbrage with religiously motivated political activism (which is an entirely reasonable position).

there was absolutely no reference to political activism in this entire thread. i think he really has a problem with spirituality because he consistently resorts to insults and crude disparagement.

Oh, the tears, the tears...

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Originally posted by Faj27 there was absolutely no reference to political activism in this entire thread. i think he really has a problem with spirituality because he consistently resorts to insults and crude disparagement.

He and I have discussed it at length in past threads.... he doesn't believe but he doesn't hate.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard He and I have discussed it at length in past threads.... he doesn't believe but he doesn't hate.

oh, i see

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Originally posted by Ridexer What is god?

I think that most constructed models of God are implausible, ludicrous or impossible, and the idea is kind of silly. But it's not a logically or empirically debunkable concept. Certainly not currently evidenced or required by our current understanding.
What God really is, is the extent of the limits of our human mind. We cannot comprehend how something comes from nothing, and the notion of God(s) fills that void.

I am not attacking you or your beliefs. I'm merely stating my point of view.

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Originally posted by nefardec i also think the reason why most people are atheists is that they really can't fathom what 'god' might mean, or they have a twisted view of it because they never took the time to think deeply about it.

wow. what a deep and thought provoking statement


i believe in science and the universe. i believe the sun is our god. it's what keeps us alive we're all just balls of energy if you think about it. i don't think one man created us and determines our fate or decides who goes to heaven or hell. that sounds just plain old absurd. and i'm probably a better person than most people in church every sunday. i mean i don't lie or steal or treat everyone like dirt or rip people off every day...i'm forgiving, etc... i'm totally content with no religion in my life. religion is based on fear of hell and it keeps order in society. if people fear a consequence for their actions, they'll behave more. i don't need that to be a good person.

someone mentioned david blaine lol what if "jesus" was a david blaine walking around back in the day creating illusions, and mary wasn't a virgin, she just strayed from joseph and denied it till she was blue in the face and everyone thought it was a miracle that she was pregnant?

Organized religion and faith have very little to do with each other. People often look at the perils of organized religion as a way to reaffirm their beliefs on why theism is not a viable option.

It's the ultimate self-fulfilling prophecy.

But what reason or basis does faith have but to fill the coffers and seats of organized religions?

mary is someone who really knew how to stick with her story lol.

There were many messiahs at the time of Jesus that were performing "miracles" of equal marvel.

It baffles me how such logical people will completely throw their rational thought to allow for these biblical stories to be true(or other unrealistic stories from other religions for that matter)

Dogmatic stories aside, I have always thought that even the smallest possibility of there being more out there is worthy of being totally amazed by. Sometimes its that I just need to beleive in the possibility of something beyond this conciousness, since everything becomes so meaningless otherwise. I am not playing pascal's wager here, because I am not referring to the appeasal of an abrahamic god when I speak of this potentiality...It's more of a big question mark in my mind. This doesn't rule out the very real possibility of just ceasing to exist. Something about that possibility just doesn't feel right to me, I can't explain it.

God is in everything, like a baby's smile(see lacksteptheyoph's avatar sp.?)

Well you probably won't ever cease to exist... you were here in the beginning, goddamnit you'll still be around in the end.

It's our egos that are fragile and mortal - if only people could give that up, but no, they have to insist on such a possession as though they could ever truly possess it in the first place - as though it belongs to them, alone, and not the thousands of other upright "souls" who have truly created such a thing. And then they call it ALTRUISM! They call it morality, they call it "right". What could possibly be more off?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Well you probably won't ever cease to exist... you were here in the beginning, goddamnit you'll still be around in the end. It's our egos that are fragile and mortal - if only people could give that up, but no, they have to insist on such a possession as though they could ever truly possess it in the first place - as though it belongs to them, alone, and not the thousands of other upright "souls" who have truly created such a thing. And then they call it ALTRUISM! They call it morality, they call it "right". What could possibly be more off?

I fucking love your posts. So thought provoking.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Well you probably won't ever cease to exist... you were here in the beginning, goddamnit you'll still be around in the end. It's our egos that are fragile and mortal - if only people could give that up, but no, they have to insist on such a possession as though they could ever truly possess it in the first place - as though it belongs to them, alone, and not the thousands of other upright "souls" who have truly created such a thing. And then they call it ALTRUISM! They call it morality, they call it "right". What could possibly be more off?

yea amen dude lol

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On But what reason or basis does faith have but to fill the coffers and seats of organized religions?

If you don't have the capacity to answer that question yourself, then nothing I say will suffice. Capisce?

Yet you can be critical of other self-fulfilling prophecies?

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Originally posted by Slylee wow. what a deep and thought provoking statement

the queen of deep thoughts has spoken!

i agree w/ stylee for once

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Originally posted by Sunsnail i agree w/ stylee for once

which part? the sun god part? lol

I think that organized religion has quite a lot to do with faith. For the most part people get their ideas about gods and spirituality by reading the central texts of the various "organized religions" like Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and so on, or books that comment on those central texts, or by hearing people talk about the ideas set down in those texts. Yeah, there are the occasional people who simply make up their own "spirituality" based on what feels good or significant to them, or some private mystical experience, but the spiritual practices and faith of the vast majority of people derive largely from religious traditions.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Yet you can be critical of other self-fulfilling prophecies?

Let's put it like this. Faith is more about building a solid, personal relationship with a higher being [if you believe in one] than it is about what the Catholics are doing behind closed doors and saying at Sunday mass, who the Muslims are fighting, or who the Jews think is the Messiah.

That's all I'm saying.

Faith receives whatever content it has from religious traditions and the institutions that have fostered them. You can choose to practice a faith outside any institution, but your practices will probably still descend in some way from the traditions of "organized religion" whether you want to admit it or not, unless you're simply making things up as you go.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Faith... simply making things up as you go.

I agree!

I know plenty of atheists who have a secular-humanist Faith in love, freindship, peace, comraderie, etc.

aren't we all making things up as we go along, regardless of faith?

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Originally posted by Renzo Let's put it like this. Faith is more about building a solid, personal relationship with a higher being [if you believe in one] than it is about what the Catholics are doing behind closed doors and saying at Sunday mass, who the Muslims are fighting, or who the Jews think is the Messiah. That's all I'm saying.

Well of course they're different things. My point was never that they are the same thing and that even my blanket criticisms applied to each equally, because they simply don't.

But to imply that I could never "know" faith because I cannot value it in the same way that a believer can simply does not lend any credibility to the phenomenon. It doesn't even make me feel all warm and tingly inside.

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