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Posted by The17sss on Aug-26-2009 20:40:

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Originally posted by lenazi

Uhhh... I'm a conservative first. The person I vote for has to have those attributes. What's the problem? It can be argued that JFK as a democrat was more conservative than McCain and would have got my vote if the 2 were running head to head.

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Originally posted by ziptnf
Yeah, he killed a girl, but his brother John F Kennedy died, and he survived a massive plane crash and still helped pass all sorts of bills to help millions of Americans, so while he was a piece of shit sometimes, overall he was a good guy.

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Originally posted by The17sss
I'm down with the Americans with Disabilities Act... that's cool. But I can't get over 2 things:

2) The memos that were uncovered on May 14th, 2003 showing how, between 1980-1983 he directed fellow senator John Tunney, throuh Tunney's firm, to meet with KGB General Secretary Yuri Andropov and develop a strategy together on the down-low that would undermine Reagan's Cold War foreign policy and re-election efforts. Andropov died so it never ended up working out... but that shit is unforgivable.

Posted by Joss Weatherby on Aug-26-2009 20:41:

or jesuses

Posted by The17sss on Aug-26-2009 20:41:

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
They're both still just dumb apes that will be completely forgotten in a thousand years, just like the rest of us.

QFT

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-26-2009 20:41:

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
or jesuses

But robots are cooler.

Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Aug-26-2009 20:42:

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
I'm down with the Americans with Disabilities Act... that's cool. But I can't get over 2 things:

2) The memos that were uncovered on May 14th, 2003 showing how, between 1980-1983 he directed fellow senator John Tunney, throuh Tunney's firm, to meet with KGB General Secretary Yuri Andropov and develop a strategy together on the down-low that would undermine Reagan's Cold War foreign policy and re-election efforts. Andropov died so it never ended up working out... but that shit is unforgivable.

But you try to undermine our current president all of the time.. with all of your mean words and stuff.

Posted by Joss Weatherby on Aug-26-2009 20:43:

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
Uhhh... I'm a conservative first. The person I vote for has to have those attributes. What's the problem? It can be argued that JFK as a democrat was more conservative than McCain and would have got my vote if the 2 were running head to head.

Yea cause Regean never did anything you know, traitorous, or anything like maybe that was illegal...

I mean, Iran is our friend right, we can sell them weapons... Its cool. Funding terrorist groups in Nicaragua to undermine a democratically elected government... Thats totally cricket!

Posted by ziptnf on Aug-26-2009 20:44:

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Originally posted by The17sss
haha... it's amazing that when a Republican is president you credit his success to his predecessor, and when a Democrat is president you attribute his failures also to his predecessor.

This isn't the case for all presidents, are you serious? This is a very specific case with a president who was widely regarded the biggest mistake this country has ever made, and a new negro president trying to clean up the mess he made.

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This is the problem- because there are perceived "good intentions" in liberal social welfare programs, we are supposed to give them a pass when the unintended consequences of liberal policies end up creating a mess.

Obviously, there are plenty of programs in the Stimulus package that were ill-advised, but a good portion help create jobs and improve the lives of millions of Americans.

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But go ahead being convinced that government programs are helping improve education. Tell that to the kids in D.C. who just had their private school vouchers yanked off the table by Obama.

Boo fucking hoo, I bet those kids at least have health care. I went to public schools my whole life, don't even start whining about kids who can't go to their hoity toity private schools, god damn. How about the millions of underpaid teachers and our country's miserable test scores compared to the rest of the world?? You don't think that needs a little help?

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And how are liberal policies improving the energy sector right now? I'd like to know.

Restructuring the auto industry, improving emission standards, and putting more money into solar/wind energy and alternative sources of energy. That all helps.

Posted by lenazi on Aug-26-2009 20:44:

brian mulroney in 2012.

Posted by The17sss on Aug-26-2009 21:06:

quote:
Originally posted by ziptnf
This isn't the case for all presidents, are you serious? This is a very specific case with a president who was widely regarded the biggest mistake this country has ever made, and a new negro president trying to clean up the mess he made.

the Democrats again playing the race card. irony?

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Obviously, there are plenty of programs in the Stimulus package that were ill-advised, but a good portion help create jobs and improve the lives of millions of Americans.

A good portion are improving the lives and creating jobs for them? Last time I checked unemployment was skyrocketing and the only entity growing was government employment.

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Boo fucking hoo, I bet those kids at least have health care. I went to public schools my whole life, don't even start whining about kids who can't go to their hoity toity private schools, god damn. How about the millions of underpaid teachers and our country's miserable test scores compared to the rest of the world?? You don't think that needs a little help?

lol... I'm not cryin' about it; I went to public school for about half of my schooling, not including public universities. I'm just saying that you extoll the virtues of "an improving educational system" when the opposite is happening. And fuck that "teachers are underpaid" bullshit... they only work 180 days/year and get every fucking summer and holiday off. Throwing more money at the educational system obviously isn't the answer, becuase that's what keeps happening and still quality declines.

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Restructuring the auto industry, improving emission standards, and putting more money into solar/wind energy and alternative sources of energy. That all helps.

Ok but when I see tangible data proving these fantasies are helping, I'll beleive them. Don't forget- the whole ethanol debacle is only a couple of years old.

Posted by bigjimslade002 on Aug-26-2009 21:09:

he killed a girl.nothing evens out after that

Posted by iTranscendence on Aug-26-2009 21:21:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
But robots are cooler.

I think... You may be both right.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/635656/

Posted by Clovis on Aug-26-2009 22:27:

I'm not gonna debate you Jerry.

Posted by shaw on Aug-27-2009 01:59:

I literally have a headache from the ignorance & stupidity I just read through.

Posted by Damerchi on Aug-27-2009 02:01:

how did i know how this thread was going to get derailed before I opened it...

Posted by Spacey Orange on Aug-27-2009 06:46:

RIP Teddy

Posted by bigjimslade002 on Aug-27-2009 09:08:

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Aug-27-2009 10:39:

I love how 17sssss got statistically raped by JBJ and then just quietly dropped those points and carried on as if he still had credibility.

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