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Originally posted by mfitterer1 I could see the reason you got frustrated and went to FL LOL.

the media pool is just a window that shows all the wavs in your project.. you dont have to set anything up. and you can drag and drog from explorer fool

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Cubase is the same way, only its not the shit you have to disable its all the shit you have to "set-up" You can't just open cubase and start using vstis and all this other shit...no, you have to spend a few hours setting everything up....for every single project. You have to set up "media pools" what the fuck is that shit? Why can't cubase simply integrate into the explorer and pull media from that?

"fruitynoob"

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 I have never had to turn anything off or edit any settings at all. Because I know what they do. You have to remember Ableton has many different uses. With those many different uses comes the ability to set it up for the particular reason you yourself are using it. Of course when a clown like yourself pirates it and expects to know everything with a couple clicks; I could see the reason you got frustrated and went to FL LOL.

Yeah, I pirated all my software, and you didn't. And I will still make better music.

Btw, Ive been using FL since 1998. Before Ableton was a twinkle in anyones eye. I tried Ableton when it came out in 2001, couldn't even find the sequencer after 20 minutes...I have since deleted it, and never tried it again. And its currently the worst of the major DAWs, and its no wonder why. It has, according to you, bad sound quality by default.

Its funny how everyone hates on FL because it advanced faster than any other DAW. FL needs to fix hardware delay...that one thing will literally put FL on the front wave. [well, it will shut most of you up anyways] Like I said, Pro-Tools is pretty much the only competition. Ableton has a shitty sound engine [google ableton, its the number one problem], cubase has a shitty everything in version 4 and 5 [fuck, no one even wants to pirate it..lol], Logic is on Mac, and by the masses, thats a downfall in and of itself. Because that means all you can use your computer for is logic..because lets face it, Macs don't have ANY GOOD SOFTWARE on them besides logic and photoshop. People these days want computers for multi-purposes. Reason doesn't have vsti support..its basicly protools without the good stuff. Did I miss anything?

Back in the day Cubase SX3 was the front line app, but FL7 pretty much matched everything it had to offer. We are at FL9.

FL 9: Gotta say I'm very impressed what they did with their Playlist cuz that was one of the biggest drawbacks to me in using FL.

I've only messed around with it for a few mins with the tracks it comes with (a nice lil track from Toby Emerson included). Will play with it more later, but its lookin pretty damn good right now. Not good enough to sway me from Ableton, but good enough for me to consider to produce music in it again every so often.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 I tried Ableton when it came out in 2001, couldn't even find the sequencer after 20 minutes...I have since deleted it, and never tried it again. And its currently the worst of the major DAWs, and its no wonder why.

So you're basing your entire opinion on the very first version of a software that you tried for 20 minutes?

All right, now you got me convinced.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery So you're basing your entire opinion on the very first version of a software that you tried for 20 minutes? All right, now you got me convinced.

Exactly what I thought. You haven't tried the thing in 8 years since version 1 and you're harping on about it? AHAHAHAHHAHA

lol

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery So you're basing your entire opinion on the very first version of a software that you tried for 20 minutes? All right, now you got me convinced.

I don't have an opinion about ableton. The rest of the world thinks it has a bad sound, wether its due to the engine just being shit, or the developers making it sound like shit by default, doesn't matter. A large large bulk of people from all skill levels and all backgrounds, agree that ableton has something up with its sound.

Can't argue with the exprienses of legions of people. Unless, like I said before, you want to believe that every person who has ever had this sound problem...all decided in secret one day to lie and make up some large conspiracy about ableton, you have to accept the issue for what it is.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 I don't have an opinion about ableton.

Then why do you imply you do?

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Originally posted by Fledz Exactly what I thought. You haven't tried the thing in 8 years since version 1 and you're harping on about it? AHAHAHAHHAHA

i will continue upgrading my sig until i can find one as good as yours and echo's...

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 I tried Ableton when it came out in 2001, couldn't even find the sequencer after 20 minutes

LOL!

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 I don't have an opinion about ableton. The rest of the world thinks it has a bad sound, wether its due to the engine just being shit, or the developers making it sound like shit by default, doesn't matter. A large large bulk of people from all skill levels and all backgrounds, agree that ableton has something up with its sound. Can't argue with the exprienses of legions of people. Unless, like I said before, you want to believe that every person who has ever had this sound problem...all decided in secret one day to lie and make up some large conspiracy about ableton, you have to accept the issue for what it is.

sixofour.604 you are fucking gold my friend - keep up the good work lmafao

SGL, can you post these renders which seem "washed out and airy" and also some that dont sound like this? would like to have a listen and compare, thanks

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Back in the day Cubase SX3 was the front line app, but FL7 pretty much matched everything it had to offer.

Other than proper multithreading, decent hardware support and automatic delay compensation. Cubase had the first two since ~2000 and auto PDC in ~2003. FL has only just implemented proper multithreading, 9 years after Cubase, and still doesn't have the other two. lol.

FYI: I used FL for about 4 years, when I started out. I threw in the towel 2 years ago when I realised Gol is a cockface. The grass IS greener on the Steinberg side

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 We are at FL9.

And only one thing has changed...lololol. Meanwhile, Cubase has just added VariAudio... You'll probably be waiting another 5 years to get it in FL Studio. Way to fail ImageLine.

This thread is fatiguing.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Yeah, I pirated all my software, and you didn't. And I will still make better music. Btw, Ive been using FL since 1998. Before Ableton was a twinkle in anyones eye. I tried Ableton when it came out in 2001, couldn't even find the sequencer after 20 minutes...I have since deleted it, and never tried it again. And its currently the worst of the major DAWs, and its no wonder why. It has, according to you, bad sound quality by default. Its funny how everyone hates on FL because it advanced faster than any other DAW. FL needs to fix hardware delay...that one thing will literally put FL on the front wave. [well, it will shut most of you up anyways] Like I said, Pro-Tools is pretty much the only competition. Ableton has a shitty sound engine [google ableton, its the number one problem], cubase has a shitty everything in version 4 and 5 [fuck, no one even wants to pirate it..lol], Logic is on Mac, and by the masses, thats a downfall in and of itself. Because that means all you can use your computer for is logic..because lets face it, Macs don't have ANY GOOD SOFTWARE on them besides logic and photoshop. People these days want computers for multi-purposes. Reason doesn't have vsti support..its basicly protools without the good stuff. Did I miss anything? Back in the day Cubase SX3 was the front line app, but FL7 pretty much matched everything it had to offer. We are at FL9.

Lol you spewed off so much shit here I don't know what's worth responding to.

If you're interested we can each put up a track and see what everyone opinion is on who makes better music? To my knowledge I have never heard of any of your work but if you're this busy trying to ruffle feathers you obviously are bored which means you lack the technical ability to make anything worthy of listening to.

About ableton; don't put words in my mouth! I said ANY daw has very tedious settings which can alter the end output of a rendered piece of audio. Nice try though.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 I don't have an opinion about ableton. The rest of the world thinks it has a bad sound, wether its due to the engine just being shit, or the developers making it sound like shit by default, doesn't matter. A large large bulk of people from all skill levels and all backgrounds, agree that ableton has something up with its sound. Can't argue with the exprienses of legions of people. Unless, like I said before, you want to believe that every person who has ever had this sound problem...all decided in secret one day to lie and make up some large conspiracy about ableton, you have to accept the issue for what it is.

Rationalizing second hand opinions with a strength in numbers approach is a pretty tough sell considering you're dealing with psycho-acoustics.

So where' s this torrent link then eh??

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Rationalizing second hand opinions with a strength in numbers approach is a pretty tough sell considering you're dealing with psycho-acoustics.

The difference in sound isn't Psychoacoustics...its just acoustics. We are not talking about people thinking the sound is different...its already been established that the sound IS in reality, different. Why can't you just accept you love a shitty program, and everyone's day will be happier.

About Cubase, sure it may have some hard ware support and multithreading, but every thing else about it is fucking archaic. Stienberg needs to come to the 21st century.

Ive never seen a bunch of kids get so mad when they are punched in the face with so much truth.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 The difference in sound isn't Psychoacoustics...its just acoustics. We are not talking about people thinking the sound is different...its already been established that the sound IS in reality, different. Why can't you just accept you love a shitty program, and everyone's day will be happier. About Cubase, sure it may have some hard ware support and multithreading, but every thing else about it is fucking archaic. Stienberg needs to come to the 21st century. Ive never seen a bunch of kids get so mad when they are punched in the face with so much truth.

If it were acoustics there would be a method to prove all of these theories. Since it is unproven and based on opinions it is referred to as psycho acoustics.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 About Cubase, sure it may have some hard ware support and multithreading, but every thing else about it is fucking archaic. Stienberg needs to come to the 21st century.

LOL.

VariAudio is archaic? VST3 is archaic? Audio warping is archaic? Audio quantising is archaic? Control room and Studio Connections are archaic? I could go all day. If Cubase is archaic, FL Studio must be completely neanderthal - it doesn't have any of these things rofl.

Nigga, please. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I have 4 years experience in FL and 2 years in Cubase, so go sit in the corner.

LOL @ NIGGA PLEASE

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Originally posted by echosystm LOL. VariAudio is archaic? VST3 is archaic? Audio warping is archaic? Audio quantising is archaic? I could go all day. If Cubase is archaic, FL Studio must be completely neanderthal - it doesn't have any of these things rofl. Nigga, please. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I have 4 years experience in FL and 2 years in Cubase, so go sit in the corner.

Your exprience doesn't even make you a novice yet. Shut the fuck up lol. I have 11 years exprience with FL...that destroys any kind of qualification you think you might have. I don't have 2 years exprience with cubase, because i'm not an idiot, I tried Cubase for a couple weeks, it didn't work out, so I did the smart thing, I went back to what I know. And yes, Cubase is archaic. Look at the sequencer it has...its from fucking 1988. I know trackers that have an easier to use sequencer. The shit you mentioned, the only thing remotly useful is VST3. and VST3 isn't a "cubase thing", its a format made by stienberg, because the company makes a good instrument format, doesn't mean all their other products are just ducky.

I had a dnb beat I made playing while I wrote this post, so its kinda like your getting your ass kicked to a sound track.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 If it were acoustics there would be a method to prove all of these theories. Since it is unproven and based on opinions it is referred to as psycho acoustics.

How is anaylising audio in an anaylser not a proven method to find out if the audio sounds different from ableton than any other DAW?

Fucking, did you really just say we have no real way to tell if audio sounds different in ableton??? Fucking HELLO WE HAVE EARS DUMBASS. You can just, you know...fucking listen to the different DAWs and HEAR a difference. If 50 people listen and 45 hear a difference, you don't have to do any tests, the audio sounds different.

mfitterer1 is a fucking douche. Fucking people and thir subjective ass mentalities. The world is objective. Things are a certain way, reguardless to who precives it. If a shirt is red, its fucking red, if someone is color blind and doesn't see red, then that means they see it wrong. They are wrong, and broken.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 The shit you mentioned, the only thing remotly useful is VST3.

If you think audio warping, audio quantising and pitch correction are not useful, you are even more of a retarded noob than I thought.

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