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Originally posted by yROMAN To be back on topic: Trance is sort of like those few [known] gay kids in high-school - they're popular, they're entertaining and noticed by almost everyone. Yet the other kids, i.e. jocks, who think they're the "cool" ones keep making fun of them and beating them in the parking lot. Kinda like what's happening on this forum.

Are you suggesting you are of the homosexual nature?

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Originally posted by yROMAN To be back on topic: Trance is sort of like those few [known] gay kids in high-school - they're popular, they're entertaining and noticed by almost everyone. Yet the other kids, i.e. jocks, who think they're the "cool" ones keep making fun of them and beating them in the parking lot. Kinda like what's happening on this forum.

No. Honestly I love trance and progressive house too but now you're just giving the rest of us a bad name.

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Originally posted by ToF Yes it is. Go away if you can't handle people with differing opinions to your own. ... Summary: GTFO

It's not that I can't handle it - I don't really care for it. I was looking for LIKE-minded people on here and, for the most part, I was wrong. I appreciate the hostility, though. Cheers.

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Originally posted by ToF Are you suggesting you are of the homosexual nature?

Would it make you more hostile, if that was the case?..

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Originally posted by RebeL9 As already mentioned, no need to be frustrated since this is not a trance-only board. To answer some of your questions: 1. Yes. But the fact is that in recent years many big names such as Armin, Tiesto, Paul van Dyk etc. have also placed themselves more or less in the same category as DJ Sammy and Cascada. Here are some examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ltsf7Vy7KE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7qEivYkgZM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDUrp-l_dj8 Call it pop, eurodance or whatever. It sure as hell is not trance and IMO it plays in the same league as DJ Sammy. Wait in fact I even think DJ Sammy is better than the above mentioned garbage. 2. Well my examples above shows that in many cases the lack of quality comes with commercial success. I wouldn't mind if they just said "now let's produce quality pop music". But it's horrible, even as pop music. 3. When was the last time you heard a good vocal trance song? I sure as hell can't remember. It's all a giant cheesy mess. 4. Exactly. Most of them would be better if they quit producing long ago. Markus Schulz, Cosmic Gate and Sandern Van Doorn have all gone utter commercial and most of the others are lacking new ideas so they are too occupied by remaking old tracks. and finally to answer your initial question on what is quality trance. Here are three examples in my opinion actually released in the last couple of months: http://www.discogs.com/Blue-Planet-...release/1875777 http://www.discogs.com/Union-Jack-P...release/1927766 http://www.discogs.com/00db-Heaven-Hell/release/1890751

1. This is precisely what me and most of the others on this forum seem to disagree on: while I do believe that Cascada and such have absolutely nothing to do with quality and/or Trance, I do believe that songs like PvD's "Home" or "For An Angel", Armin's "Going Wrong" or "Fine Without You", Tiesto's "In The Dark" or "Break My Fall" are probably ones of THE greatest Trance tracks ever produced.

2. I still feel it's Trance. Just because it is not obscure, underground and known to an inner circle of 500 DJ's only - it doesn't make it non-"quality", in my opinion.

3. An opinion vs. An opinion, is all it is. I believe "Not Enough Time" by Cosmic Gate feat. Emma Hewitt is THE best Vocal Trance track of 2009, hands down. The two following - in my opinion - would be "Man On The Run" by Dash Berlin with Cerf, Mitiska & Jaren and "Unforgivable" by AvB feat. Jaren. Which I'm sure you'd consider "cheese", because most of the club-goers feel like ripping their clothes off, when those tunes come on.

4. All the DJ's I mentioned (and about half of them are newcomers) I find fantastic. And that's - again - just my opinion.
As for the links you posted, I'll check those out tomorrow, for it's almost 4 AM here, in California, and let you know what I think. Cheers.

Man On The Run - Wicked track with some nice remixes
For An Angel - Well good classic there, though I never quite got that into it like everybody else.
Unforgivable - Has a great couple of First State mixes. Original is meh.
Going Wrong - Ooooh yea thi....WAIT WHAT!?!? THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!
NO NO NO NO NO. I'm sorry but no. No no no.

If you think those are the best trance tracks ever produced, you've got about 15 years to trawl back through.

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Originally posted by Fledz Man On The Run - Wicked track with some nice remixes For An Angel - Well good classic there, though I never quite got that into it like everybody else. Unforgivable - Has a great couple of First State mixes. Original is meh. Going Wrong - Ooooh yea thi....WAIT WHAT!?!? THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU! NO NO NO NO NO. I'm sorry but no. No no no. If you think those are the best trance tracks ever produced, you've got about 15 years to trawl back through.

I said "ones" of the greatest tracks, meaning: as of late. Stoneface & Terminal Remix of "Unforgivable" is the best, in my humble opinion. Also, what the fuck is wrong with "Going Wrong"?!? More people bitch about that one than Bush's presidency. Yet, I love the DJ Shah's Magic Island Mix.

Because it's awful, just plain awful.

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Originally posted by Fledz Because it's awful, just plain awful.

Naw wai. Bestest trance trak of history.

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Originally posted by sparkidee Im an unsigned producer I like and produce all types of underground dance music.

lold and stopped reading there

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Originally posted by yROMAN while I do believe that Cascada and such have absolutely nothing to do with quality and/or Trance, I do believe that songs like PvD's "Home" or "For An Angel", Armin's "Going Wrong" or "Fine Without You", Tiesto's "In The Dark" or "Break My Fall" are probably ones of THE greatest Trance tracks ever produced.

what? that's exactly what most of those tracks are, the same obnoxious shit as Cascada. But, seeing as you think those are some of THE greatest trance tracks ever produced you are beyond redemption. If your definition of "like-minded people" are those who only like your kind of music you're better off at trance.nu.

I don't understand how a forum with people only agreeing everything is good and dandy is of any interest what so ever.

This thread seems to be lacking in PLUR.

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Originally posted by yROMAN 1. This is precisely what me and most of the others on this forum seem to disagree on: while I do believe that Cascada and such have absolutely nothing to do with quality and/or Trance, I do believe that songs like PvD's "Home" or "For An Angel", Armin's "Going Wrong" or "Fine Without You", Tiesto's "In The Dark" or "Break My Fall" are probably ones of THE greatest Trance tracks ever produced.

most of the others? can you back that up?
I find it extreamly amusing that you are so eager to point out that Cascada and DJ Sammy are neither trance or quality but you are equally as eager to point out that exactly the same commercial music which Tiesto, PVD and Armin are producing is high quality trance music.
I think you fall on your own arguments.

Also I didn't say that all producers who goes for a commercial approach automatically drops in quality. There are examples of producers that can maintain a quality even when they become commercial. However neither Armin, Tiesto or PVD are any of those.
I've first heard Cosmic Gate in 1999 when they started producing hard trance. They were never among the best hard trance producers even back then. But listening to their tracks now is sad. It's really bad pop music that got nothing to do with trance.
As I said I wouldn't mind at all if they went commercial and produced good pop music but this is utter crap.

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse but armin van buuren is "commercial poppy trance"

Maybe in your eyes but I think his style is still related to underground for one Ive never seen or heard him in the charts (maybe he has but lets face it at least one underground act has had a track shortened and put out into the charts albeit only charting lowly at say... 36 or something?)

Quick question: this is a trance forum right? hmmm why are people intent on slagging it just cos it has a "supersaw" effect in it? lol madness that is! I dont care what trance tunes have in them as long as they sound good and dont sound like they have been made on a bontempi keyboard by a 6 year old kid.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Redd
lold and stopped reading there

What can I say Im very versatile and like different types of music, Im not one of them who just sticks to one genre and doesnt try them out, I'll listen to all types and if i like it then i do if I dont oh well. Not many are open minded these days

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Originally posted by sparkidee Maybe in your eyes but I think his style is still related to underground for one Ive never seen or heard him in the charts (maybe he has but lets face it at least one underground act has had a track shortened and put out into the charts albeit only charting lowly at say... 36 or something?)

In case you didn't know, Armin have never been underground. And that is a choice of his own. His style have always, and more now than ever before been commercial. Regardless of how good or bad he is you can't ignore the fact that he is commercial.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 In case you didn't know, Armin have never been underground. And that is a choice of his own. His style have always, and more now than ever before been commercial. Regardless of how good or bad he is you can't ignore the fact that he is commercial.

Maybe.... but to me I dont think he has a commercial sound, the ones i think are commercial are the regular miss fits like cas****er and bassmunter

Yes if it's not on the charts its got to be underground.



Also goes for reply to my post, you missed the point by about sixteen miles. Hint here

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Originally posted by sparkidee Maybe.... but to me I dont think he has a commercial sound, the ones i think are commercial are the regular miss fits like cas****er and bassmunter

so you are saying that "Going Wrong" and "In and out of love" are not commercial? give me a fucking break.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 so you are saying that "Going Wrong" and "In and out of love" are not commercial? give me a fucking break.

Like I said in my other post some sound charty commercial stuff but the rest of Armin's stuff (in my eyes) isnt what I would call commercial to the point where its over played and annoying

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Originally posted by RebeL9 so you are saying that "Going Wrong" and "In and out of love" are not commercial? give me a fucking break.

Just give up. Clearly some people are happier with their heads in the sand.

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Originally posted by ToF Just give up. Clearly some people are happier with their heads in the sand.

I just have a different opinion to some of you doesnt mean to say I have my head in the sand, not everyone will agree with each other so there you go

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Originally posted by sparkidee Like I said in my other post some sound charty commercial stuff but the rest of Armin's stuff (in my eyes) isnt what I would call commercial to the point where its over played and annoying

Whatever. I doubt that you people wouldn't admit that Armin is commercial even if he was given a prize at MTV music awards.
I'm starting to realize why alot of trance producers don't want to be associated with the music they produce.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Whatever. I doubt that you people wouldn't admit that Armin is commercial even if he was given a prize at MTV music awards. I'm starting to realize why alot of trance producers don't want to be associated with the music they produce.

Oh well thats your opinion and I have mine, I detect someone is a supersaw hater then

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Originally posted by sparkidee Maybe in your eyes but I think his style is still related to underground for one Ive never seen or heard him in the charts (maybe he has but lets face it at least one underground act has had a track shortened and put out into the charts albeit only charting lowly at say... 36 or something?)

he's one of the best known musicians in the netherlands and he's had a number of tracks chart on the billboard hot dance charts (usa) but why am i even talking to you about this

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse he's one of the best known musicians in the netherlands and he's had a number of tracks chart on the billboard hot dance charts (usa) but why am i even talking to you about this

To assert your authority or sumthin? who knows who even cares.

This thread has gone way off topic

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