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Originally posted by Fledz And that's exactly why he's actually half decent. Guess what? The rest of the world doesn't give a fuck about your position of power anymore because you no longer have it and the world has learned that America as a leader is a bad leader. You've fucked the entire God damn planet with your shitty economic policies and over the top military zeal, and now you want everyone to just forget your debts and start from scratch. The sooner we stop relying on your dollar and looking to you for anything, the better. He should be looking at a world perspective since the world should never again rotate around your asses like it used to. We need a global economic policy and a global approach to combat, not "Oooooh let's let the Yanks do what they want and go from there". It plain and simple doesn't work. *cue - "Waaaaah waaaaaah but we saved your asses in WW2"

lol... yes let's be beholden to a "community of nations" lead by an entity such as the UN, which would no doubt make the world a better place. Lord, you're just a child with very little understanding of anything outside of your cozy little "America is evil" bubble.

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Originally posted by Fledz As for military, we have the UN and despite all the red tape and political wankery, at least it acts as a global voice.

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Originally posted by Fledz No that's the issue with the current system we have. It shouldn't need to rely on one country, ever. We need one currency that is regulated by multiple other ones, but then again oil is what really drives the markets so once again we're dependent on one thing. As for military, we have the UN and despite all the red tape and political wankery, at least it acts as a global voice.

thats true, we rely on one country to do so much for the rest, because other countries who might have the potential to do so have completely different policies that would surely fuck it all up. Of course, the U.S might do that as well in the future, who knows.

I've always thought about having only one currency...but its kind of hard to implement that globally without major financial crisis that are bound to happen in certain countries, third world ones mainly with heavily devalued currency. Oil, well we depend on whatever arrangements the U.S has with other countries.
And military, U.S is strong, even though they got their asses kicked in Nam for sticking their face on other peoples business ...bottom line, i totally see your point of view and even agree with it, but...in the end i think we need to suck it up, the U.N yeah its a voice but i don't know, they don't deliver imo. This world is fucked, relies on money as a prime interest and fuck all who don't have it. ..i don't see many options which are feasible so...just go along with it until we die off i guess.

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean u know like in Nostradamus predictions, he's like the anti christ will come and show great charisma and signs of peace to get people on his side, then he will show his true colors. 17ssss will have the last laugh

i agree 100%.

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Originally posted by The17sss lol... yes let's be beholden to a "community of nations" lead by an entity such as the UN, which would no doubt make the world a better place. Lord, you're just a child with very little understanding of anything outside of your cozy little "America is evil" bubble.

You're an idiot, no doubt confirmed by most of the PDD regulars who see your posts in there.

We have to get to a point where the world is governed by guess who? The world.

Yes, I'm a little child who hasn't lived in 3 different countries and experienced completely different views on everything from politics to how best to prepare a fish for dinner
Maybe you're the one who only has one isolated view?
Oh no I'm sorry, let's just allow America to run the world so we can stay in this wornderful Utopia we're in right now....oh wait.

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean thats true, we rely on one country to do so much for the rest, because other countries who might have the potential to do so have completely different policies that would surely fuck it all up. Of course, the U.S might do that as well in the future, who knows. I've always thought about having only one currency...but its kind of hard to implement that globally without major financial crisis that are bound to happen in certain countries, third world ones mainly with heavily devalued currency. Oil, well we depend on whatever arrangements the U.S has with other countries. And military, U.S is strong, even though they got their asses kicked in Nam for sticking their face on other peoples business ...bottom line, i totally see your point of view and even agree with it, but...in the end i think we need to suck it up, the U.N yeah its a voice but i don't know, they don't deliver imo. This world is fucked, relies on money as a prime interest and fuck all who don't have it. ..i don't see many options which are feasible so...just go along with it until we die off i guess.

I don't like the notion of one nation deciding for the rest. It's been proven that it doesn't work and it won't get us anywhere.

One currency for the entire world wouldn't work as the Euro is quickly proving. Sure the value of the Euro might be the same in England and Poland for example but if I'm earning 100 Euros in England as opposed to 2 Euros in Poland, then how is there equality there?
However, one currency designed purely for trading that can replace the US dollar could work. It's value would be determined by a mutlitude of other currencies so that it is never heavily skewed in the favour of one nation.
But like I said, at the end of the day a lot of the markets are very dependent on oil because that's what we buy and what we sell. We're too heavily influenced by just one thing.

The UN isn't perfect but it's a start. At least there's positive things we can take out of it.

yukii will save us.

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Originally posted by winston yukii will save us.

Godspeed.

*cue Bas posting vomit pics*

Rob Blagojevich put a black man in the senate when none of the white democrats wanted him in.
If anything that's even more significant that a black man getting black votes to become president.

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Originally posted by Fledz I don't like the notion of one nation deciding for the rest. It's been proven that it doesn't work and it won't get us anywhere.

i agree completely with that statement (which although true there isn't anything we can do about it unless we get a conquerer to annex and unify, furthering a "everything for everyone" policy which sound completely "communist" or "socialist", so you could only do this with warfare and at the moment i am low on ammo to fight the US army, and the ones who may have the ammo would end up in a nuclear conflict and see you in hell.

I don't think the U.S would ever give up their currency, and we have to depend on them and their policies and no one will impose them..they're like the donkey in this family guy clip.


Don't you also agree that at this current time there is no other nation we can rely on to keep the country relatively stable as they have or tried at times? Which was my question...what country or what can be done to implement what you suggest? which if i understood currently is get rid of the dollar, use the Euro and one other currency thats of equal value? is that it or am i completely stoned and missed your point.

Anyways i do have to say that honestly, i do not know shit about politics, they do not interest me enough to go find out for myself about the global situation we currently hold. The topic was brought up and all my views on it are mine and aren't truly influenced by any type of religious or political organizations which are the causes of all this bullshit in the first place
. I do not follow politics, and i just call it as a see it, with what you guys bring in at the table and my knowledge, unbiased, i do not vote no care to do so, because in the end, the ones pulling the strings call the shots and we are just in it for the ride and personally im going to try to enjoy it while it lasts.

So enjoy your ideals, your drugs, sex, music, lifestyle, art, family and loved ones. Travel more while we still can, and leave the rest to those politicians and undercover multi billionaire entrepreneurs who run the world outside of our fragile bliss of a bubble.

The US doesn't have a choice. Everyone is selling it hence the drop in value and the Euro ain't exactly doing great either.

There's no need to get rid of the currencies, just develop a unified currency that is used solely for trading purposes. Despite the additional problems this brings it's still most likely better than relying on the US dollar.

However, I don't do finance so don't expect any elaborate answers from me. There's far smarter people out there who specialise in that. Then again, they've led us to where we are so maybe they aren't that smart after all.

If we can agree on one thing and it seems we do, it's that relying on one nation and their currency is a flawed system and needs to be replaced.

they should have given it to kim jong-il yohan. would have more sense.

FUCK YEAH OBAMA FTW

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Originally posted by The17sss lol... yes let's be beholden to a "community of nations" lead by an entity such as the UN, which would no doubt make the world a better place. Lord, you're just a child with very little understanding of anything outside of your cozy little "America is evil" bubble.

Actually, I think Fledz is pretty clued in on this one.

The National Intelligence Council predicted the end of the unipolar world order late last year, and here's a good snapshot of the implication:

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At first glance, the core conclusion � that the world is witnessing the emergence of a new multipolar system � seems unremarkable. But it matters that the president-elect is being told by his foremost intelligence analysts that the US faces relative decline. There are plenty of people in Washington who dismiss such a prospect as the malevolent thinking of woolly-headed Europeans; the more so, perhaps, when France�s Nicolas Sarkozy keeps trumpeting it. In the NIC�s view, the rise of China, India and the rest will mean that by 2025 the US will be �one [my emphasis] of a number of important actors on the world stage, albeit still the most powerful�. For more than 200 years, even when challenged, the US has been a rising power. The adjustment will not be easy. New great power rivalries, though, are only one part of the emerging picture. Nations face challenges from non-state actors empowered by globalisation. Businesses, religious zealotry, criminal networks and non-governmental organisations are all testing state power. Overlay these changes, geopolitical and societal, with an array of transnational forces � climate change, terrorism, unconventional weapons proliferation, demographic bulges, migration, resource competition � and you begin to see how complicated things are getting. Add in all the unknowns � of both the known and unknown variety � and you start to get a headache. The other day Mr Obama said that sometimes he asks himself where on earth he should start as president. Reading the NIC report one can understand why. What can be said with moderate certainty is that a global system designed in 1945 will not survive the coming age of discontinuities. An order centred around the political, cultural and economic hegemony of the west can scarcely outlive the redistribution of global power.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4309f7d4-...?nclick_check=1

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Originally posted by Fledz And that's exactly why he's actually half decent. Guess what? The rest of the world doesn't give a fuck about your position of power anymore because you no longer have it and the world has learned that America as a leader is a bad leader. You've fucked the entire God damn planet with your shitty economic policies and over the top military zeal, and now you want everyone to just forget your debts and start from scratch. The sooner we stop relying on your dollar and looking to you for anything, the better. He should be looking at a world perspective since the world should never again rotate around your asses like it used to. We need a global economic policy and a global approach to combat, not "Oooooh let's let the Yanks do what they want and go from there". It plain and simple doesn't work. *cue - "Waaaaah waaaaaah but we saved your asses in WW2"

let's all hold hands & sing campfire songs so we can be one of the guys, kevin. america, YEAH, KINDA!

i am a well rounded person, a have a chip on both shoulders

jk i don't have any chips on my shoulders.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov The National Intelligence Council predicted the end of the unipolar world order late last year, and here's a good snapshot of the implication: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4309f7d4-...?nclick_check=1

Have you got more articles on this topic? This was an interesting read, but also disappointingly shallow

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Actually, I think Fledz is pretty clued in on this one.

Well then it's a good thing you aren't the decider. Our economy alone has propped up the economies of so many others, allowing prosperity for people who otherwise ever would have had it... and don't even make me bring up the international aid/dollars we've contributed around the world every time a catastrophe happens.

Is the world moving towards an international governace? Yes, but that's not what I'm arguing; I'm saying that is a horrible idea and I think the implications of such an idea are much worse and more complex than the N.I.C. description you posted. Who would these people be and how would they govern? Are you cool with the idea of, for example, a judge from India imposing international laws that supercede current State/Federal US law? Relinquishing soverignty piece by piece to a community of nations that SURELY does not have the interests of the majority of our people at heart is a mistake. And the idea that further concessions by the US to the "greater good of the international community" will earn any reciprocation is foolish... as we have seen through a decade of sactions and tough talk by the UN et. al. which has done nothing but allow such passive States like Iran and N. Korea to advance their nuclear technology to the point of reality. The "wise and cultured" europeans can foster social welfare states and talk of the international greater good because WE provide for the bulk of their national defense.

Better believe if we relax our defense spending, other nations will gladly fill that power vacuum... nations who have been salivating at our demise. It's an utter farce to believe that globalization means human nature has changed- the history of the world has been that of tyrants, dictators, and suppression by world leaders against their people (who's desires and motives are no different than human beings from 2000 years ago), which is what makes us so different. Having an international community of countries set and control our policies will not have the world end up looking like a Coke commercial; If we are all equal and special, then none of us really are. That's why the UN is such a joke- concessions to hard line dictators are already given by fiat of its existance alone... should Iran and Libya be seated next to peaceful democricies and be given equal treatment? No.

As for the decilining dollar, having control of the world's currency reserves is an indespensible strategic thing, wouldn't you say? I read that 2/3 of our trade imbalance actually comes from imported oil- in a nutshell we are creating our own disaster in this area simply by allowing bans on obtaining our own oil, and waiting 30+ years to build new nuclear power plants. I tend to believe that American exceptionalism in this world does more good than bad- as backed by so many examples. I'm sorry to see that as an American, you'd rather defer to a burecratic entity like a world body to have the upper hand.

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Originally posted by Lira Have you got more articles on this topic? This was an interesting read, but also disappointingly shallow

The theoretical basis for the idea of a unipolar world order is Realism - authors like Stephen Walt and John Ikenberry have written about the role of the United States in a system where its power is unrivaled.

This is a good article for getting the basics of what most Realists were saying:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2539283

Since Sept. 11, a lot of scholars have cited the economic rise of China and the loss of American soft power in the wake of Iraq to argue that the world is once again reorganizing into a multi-polar structure.

Fareed Zakaria has probably written the best book on the subject so far:



http://books.google.com/books?id=DA...ersions_r&cad=2

Here's a good review:
http://shaunmiller.wordpress.com/20...fareed-zakaria/

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Originally posted by The17sss

no, no, you don't seem to get it. the prisoner's dilemma is a total farce--if we all just pool our resources, there won't be a need for war!



i disagree with krauthammer on this one--i think america is going down, but, unlike 54% of the american population, i'm not cheering on our nation's demise.

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Originally posted by shaw i disagree with krauthammer on this one--i think america is going down, but, unlike 54% of the american population, i'm not cheering on our nation's demise.

Pro-Obama = Anti-America
Anti-Obama = Pro-America

That's a remarkably apt and easy way of portraying the complex political environment in contemporary American society. Well in.

Apparently refusing to meet the Dalia Lama for fear of alienating China wins you a Peace Prize now.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Pro-Obama = Anti-America Anti-Obama = Pro-America That's a remarkably apt and easy way of portraying the complex political environment in contemporary American society. Well in.

i'll give him that--he's made such distinctions very easy.

...and now I'll take my own advice and ignore this discussion. as much as i love aneurysms, i'm sure your mental masturbation doesn't require my presence.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov The theoretical basis for the idea of a unipolar world order is Realism - authors like Stephen Walt and John Ikenberry have written about the role of the United States in a system where its power is unrivaled. This is a good article for getting the basics of what most Realists were saying: http://www.jstor.org/pss/2539283 Since Sept. 11, a lot of scholars have cited the economic rise of China and the loss of American soft power in the wake of Iraq to argue that the world is once again reorganizing into a multi-polar structure. Fareed Zakaria has probably written the best book on the subject so far: http://books.google.com/books?id=DA...ersions_r&cad=2 Here's a good review: http://shaunmiller.wordpress.com/20...fareed-zakaria/

Thanks

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Originally posted by shaw i'll give him that--he's made such distinctions very easy. ...and now I'll take my own advice and ignore this discussion. as much as i love aneurysms, i'm sure your mental masturbation doesn't require my presence.

I'm glad your world is black and white enough to be simplified into one big synthetic dialectic.

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