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Posted by Waterproofpaper on Nov-08-2009 06:53:

quote:
Originally posted by odball
I'm a noob for expressing an opinion that you dont agree on? Seems like u need to get out more, quit hiding in the closet. The world is changing and u dont even know it. If you can't handle an opinion, i suggest u disconnect ur internet kthx
oh btw, did u know that flying cars exist now?
and sorry, noob is not a state of mind, it's a state of being new to something, hence "new"-b. At least if you're gonna define something, do it right.
you being here since 2004, does not automatically make you know-it-all, sorry to burst ur bubble


I dont know if you keep up with the internet, but noob means that you dont really know what youre talking about, or you suck in that certain area.

Armin is not good trance.. you should really listen to good trance. Armin might play songs that are good for trance lovers, but he doesnt really make good music.


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 06:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Waterproofpaper
I dont know if you keep up with the internet, but noob means that you dont really know what youre talking about, or you suck in that certain area.

Armin is not good trance.. you should really listen to good trance. Armin might play songs that are good for trance lovers, but he doesnt really make good music.

ive been keeping up with the internet since cs 1.3 so i know what a noob is.
noob can mean many things, but for sure, it does not mean state of mind as what Mr ignorant R!CH stated. Total fail on his part
a lot of e-thugs take it out of context and turn it into something it's not.
yes i know i know.
i do listen to good trance, and i know that armin plays other peoples songs, but thats what djing is about, you're not just gonna be playing ur own songs, u gotta help promote other people as well.
my taste is different from yours so please dont say i should listen to good trance, cause in the end thats disrespecting.
Armin is actually a very very good artist, but hey, to each his own/
andy moor
lange
ronski speed
some of tiestos song
and many more that i listen to. but the argument wasnt primarily focused on Armin, RICH stated that DJmag is BS, but im just backing it up.


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 07:00:

too much fire going on in this thread :P

A LOT OF PEOPLE are overlooking the fact that it's really hard to produce music. Maybe they should try and see for themselves. If u're sick of the music then go do something to help it, or stay quiet and dont do anything at all. Your gibbering BS isn't gonna help anyone except annoy the hell out of them.


Posted by alpha.wav on Nov-08-2009 07:01:

quote:
Originally posted by R!CH
i never said i hate trance, i never said i don't like trance. i do think 99% of the trance today (and the last several years) is fucking garbage. at one point in time trance was cutting edge music, but that time came and went and never came back. to some extent that can be attributed to the fact that everyone who discovers trance falls in love with their era of discovery because of its overall newness, but to a greater extent trance today is simply way too simplistic and formulaic compared to the releases of 1999-2005.


you are really a dumbass and I fell sorry you carry the SFTA flag on your sig. sorry not for you, sorry for SF since your dirty comments tarnish that cities reputation for coolness. you are definitely an @sshole buddy. I hope I don't run into you, and if I do, I ain't buying you a drink! u can go fuck yourself on that one.

I'd like to let you know that I originally signed on TA a while before you did, so ur noob comments mean nothing to me. And talking down to other users in this forum does nothing for you, but make you look like an EVEN BIGGER @sshole.

there is nothing that you will do to lessen my opinion that you and Dave T (among others) are the thorn in TA's West Forums ass, throwing around your opinions as if they were worth their weight in gold, but can sometimes come off as crass and arrogant, and thus worthless...

I think when YOU get a clue buddy on how to be a nicer person overall, then maybe your opinions may be worth a little more.

but before this turns even more into a rant, let me just say that if u don't like trance, thats fine, just don't troll around here like others do, complaining about everything that is trance. those comments got old a long time ago.

maybe you don't like it because YOU fell OUT OF LOVE w/ trance, but a lot of people haven't, and you are wrong: Trance still is, and will always be "cutting edge" music : just because you don't feel it is doesn't mean YOU ARE RIGHT. So you can get down from your high cloud. That is just they way you look at the genre. and thats ALL IT IS.

Peace out,

- alphawav.


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 07:07:

quote:
Originally posted by alpha.wav
you are really a dumbass and I fell sorry you carry the SFTA flag on your sig. sorry not for you, sorry for SF since your dirty comments tarnish that cities reputation for coolness. you are definitely an @sshole buddy. I hope I don't run into you, and if I do, I ain't buying you a drink! u can go fuck yourself on that one.

I'd like to let you know that I originally signed on TA a while before you did, so ur noob comments mean nothing to me. And talking down to other users in this forum does nothing for you, but make you look like an EVEN BIGGER @sshole.

there is nothing that you will do to lessen my opinion that you and Dave T (among others) are the thorn in TA's West Forums ass, throwing around your opinions as if they were worth their weight in gold, but can sometimes come off as crass and arrogant, and thus worthless...

I think when YOU get a clue buddy on how to be a nicer person overall, then maybe your opinions may be worth a little more.

but before this turns even more into a rant, let me just say that if u don't like trance, thats fine, just don't troll around here like others do, complaining about everything that is trance. those comments got old a long time ago.

maybe you don't like it because YOU fell OUT OF LOVE w/ trance, but a lot of people haven't, and you are wrong: Trance still is, and will always be "cutting edge" music : just because you don't feel it is doesn't mean YOU ARE RIGHT. So you can get down from your high cloud. That is just they way you look at the genre. and thats ALL IT IS.

Peace out,

- alphawav.

hahahahahahah BRAVO dudE BRAVO!!!!!
that'll teach that troll a lesson or two.


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 07:18:

to the people that now dislikes trance.
here are somes suggestions that i think may help solve ur problems:
1. Leave tranceaddict
2. Leave tranceaddict
3. Leave tranceaddict
4. Produce trance music
5. Produce trance music
6. Produce trance music
quite a few ideas to choose from


Posted by DaveT on Nov-08-2009 07:33:

WHORE!


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 07:34:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveT
WHORE!


Posted by Apeattack on Nov-08-2009 09:32:

I've been a hardcore TA since 2008!!!! So I am the ULTIMATE authority here...

There is a reason why Armin has been number 1 for three straight years, and it isn't because he sucks. If you don't like his music, that's fine... but he had a hell of a lot of talent.

We all have different tastes... let's leave it at that. These "Trance sux" no "Trance rocks" posts are getting a bit old. If you don't/do like trance over the last few years give specific examples of why you feel that way.


Posted by in2muzikk on Nov-08-2009 11:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Apeattack
I've been a hardcore TA since 2008!!!! So I am the ULTIMATE authority here...

There is a reason why Armin has been number 1 for three straight years, and it isn't because he sucks. If you don't like his music, that's fine... but he had a hell of a lot of talent.

We all have different tastes... let's leave it at that. These "Trance sux" no "Trance rocks" posts are getting a bit old. If you don't/do like trance over the last few years give specific examples of why you feel that way.


They have grown up, AARP ftw!


Posted by Andrieux on Nov-08-2009 14:15:

I heard stuff too....................................heard it was stuff. I am kinda nervous


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 19:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Apeattack
There is a reason why Armin has been number 1 for three straight years,

u better watch what you're saying, cause people like R!CH are gonna find that offensive and say, "thats the dumbest thing ive ever read in TA" and start crying about it, because he hasnt gone out of his closet to see that it's a new world.
And R!CH, if you read this, i recommend this song to u
Markus Schulz - The New World very good song.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Nov-08-2009 19:25:

quote:
Originally posted by odball
u better watch what you're saying, cause people like R!CH are gonna find that offensive and say, "thats the dumbest thing ive ever read in TA" and start crying about it, because he hasnt go out of his closet to see that it's a new world.
And R!CH, if you read this, i recommend this song to u
Markus Schulz - The New World very good song.

I have had enough of this shit. You and Ape are stupid. You are the ones getting offended when someone calls Armin or the likes shit. You are the ones getting offended when he has an opinion. Can you two just fuck off already?


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 19:36:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
I have had enough of this shit. You and Ape are stupid. You are the ones getting offended when someone calls Armin or the likes shit. You are the ones getting offended when he has an opinion. Can you two just fuck off already?

lol? hmmm? my argument wasn't even about Armin. Armin was besides the point. R!CH like to make people feel stupid, so I'm letting him kno how it feels to be stupid and arrogant. you should read the argument again buddy.


Posted by rizo on Nov-08-2009 19:39:

quote:
Originally posted by odball
ive been keeping up with the internet since cs 1.3 so i know what a noob is.
did you just use counter strike to state how long youve been keeping up with the internet and know what a noob is? lol

quote:
Originally posted by odball
Obviously DJmag poll has to reflect on something dummy, Armin is number one for a reason, because he makes good music, and people like it.
its more of a reflection of marketing more than anything else in my opinion. people will like anything so long its pushed on them enough. I think john 00 fleming put it best on his blog:

"Loads of people know my views on the DJ mag poll, especially after my rants of the past few years, so you are asking my view on it this year. Well go back and read my original blogs from 4 years ago and I pretty much predicted what would happen. It�s now become a great filter system slowly squeezing out the serious specialist DJ�s, so it�s a chart of the commercial marketed DJ�s. If you want some commercial music, then go and see one of the guys in the chart and have some fun. If you want some more serious stuff, then go hunting and find the specialist guys. No one is better, it�s your call what music you like, things got easier because you have a chart to find the most popular on.

What gets on my goat is that I KNOW what goes on in this industry, after all I know how it works after being in it 25 years. I hate trophy holders blasting thanks emails saying �thanks for all who voted for me this year�, when in fact they (and marketing guys) voted for themselves??! Unless you�re one of the big guns, the only way to get in that chart is to fix it for yourself. Harsh words I know, but it�s the truth. If anyone wants to confront me with this then lets set up a lie detector test before we start. There�s a predictable pattern of DJ agencies and their DJ roster in regular placing each year, doesn�t take much to work out how this happens.

I promised no more rants, so I stop there. No it�s not sour grapes before I get attacked by forum bashers. I don�t want commercial gigs, I don�t want to be a super star DJ, so the chart has no purpose for me."


anyone can vote on the dj mag poll too. even people who dont realize that g&d broke up long ago. daft punk hasnt done any actual dj gigs this past year. or the difference between a dj and live set. its really annoying to read 'number dj in the world too when it should actually be 'dj mag's voted number one dj' esp considering resident advisors poll is very different and not anyone can vote there. you have to at least be registered for a certain amount of time. armin or his marketing team can't push that so well once the poll is active. not that RA poll is actual reflection either (there really isnt one) but its def better esp when having a dj and live act poll.


Posted by DaveT on Nov-08-2009 19:48:

LOL at letting what Rich says get to you at the very least. It's just how he is on here. Just like I'm a jackass. Or how you'd think Sean Tyas is some amazing DJ by listening to some peeps on here.

Don't believe what you read on TA and don't get an idea of how the person actually is on here. In 80% of cases, peeps are very different in real life. Like, for example, DJ Blurr is actually a man. I mean, for real!


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 19:49:

quote:
Originally posted by rizo
did you just use counter strike to state how long youve been keeping up with the internet and know what a noob is? lol

yes, unfortunately
i'll stick to my opinion, but it's cool to see what people have to say. Is this dude saying that DJmag is rigged? IN MY OPINION, i dont think it is. I have many friends that vote on it, and they do vote for who they like, and im pretty sure a lot more people do it as well. And for DaftPunk argument, I believe that their fanbase is excessively huge, so of course they would get voted as well, they do make good music, and people know for a fact that their next album is/will be good. I dont care if these DJ's on Dj mag are commercialized, they freaking make music that i can enjoy and dance to, so that argument is subjective. And i know that there are A LOT of good underground artist, but thats besides the point

HOW DID ONE THREAD LIKE THIS GET HAVOC-ED BY SO MUCH FIRE. IT WAS A FREAKING FRIENDLY THREAD ASKING "why i thought TAO was not going to bring any trance artist".
you guise are all douche bags who can't freaking stay on topic.(the ones that are hating on trance btw)


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 19:53:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveT
LOL at letting what Rich says get to you at the very least. It's just how he is on here. Just like I'm a jackass. Or how you'd think Sean Tyas is some amazing DJ by listening to some peeps on here.

Don't believe what you read on TA and don't get an idea of how the person actually is on here. In 80% of cases, peeps are very different in real life. Like, for example, DJ Blurr is actually a man. I mean, for real!

i guess ill have to agree with u on that. none of this gets to me in reality. When someone lights the fire on someone else, i'd like to throw oil on them and then light the fire(figuratively speaking by the way LOL).


Posted by gehzumteufel on Nov-08-2009 19:54:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveT
LOL at letting what Rich says get to you at the very least. It's just how he is on here. Just like I'm a jackass. Or how you'd think Sean Tyas is some amazing DJ by listening to some peeps on here.

Don't believe what you read on TA and don't get an idea of how the person actually is on here. In 80% of cases, peeps are very different in real life. Like, for example, DJ Blurr is actually a man. I mean, for real!

Exactly my point. Fuckin kids coming on here and acting all retarded because someone has an opinion.


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 20:01:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Exactly my point. Fuckin kids coming on here and acting all retarded because someone has an opinion.

please hahahah kids? Quit sitting on his nuts lol. This is what forums are all about, u dont like it? disconnect ur internet kthx. You guys were the one that brought the fire, so u should be the ones to STFU kthx
just because uve been here since 2005 doesnt make u anymore mature than we are LOL. I luv the internet! THX Al Gore 4 the internet!!!!


Posted by gehzumteufel on Nov-08-2009 20:11:

quote:
Originally posted by odball
please hahahah kids? Quit sitting on his nuts lol. This is what forums are all about, u dont like it? disconnect ur internet kthx. You guys were the one that brought the fire, so u should be the ones to STFU kthx
just because uve been here since 2005 doesnt make u anymore mature than we are LOL. I luv the internet! THX Al Gore 4 the internet!!!!

Yeah, I am sitting on his nuts because I agree. Good job. You have won a gold star.


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 20:14:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Yeah, I am sitting on his nuts because I agree. Good job. You have won a gold star.

OH NICE! THANK YOU. And i have people that agree with me as well, so do they get a gold star as well? yeah hahahahah


Posted by DaveT on Nov-08-2009 20:16:

Trance DJs see the DJMag poll as important, even though they themselves know it's largely a farse because it becomes a big "marketing campaign" competition to get people to vote for them. Don't believe me? Get to know those DJs and ask them.

House DJs get into the marketing a little...if at all, but trance DJs go overboard, even ones down the list -- they put splash pages on their websites, send out lots of emails, message you on myspace and facebook, etc. It prob wasn't as bad this year as past years. but in some cases the marketing has been flat out annoying.

DJs or their peeps (as some DJs had no knowledge) have been caught cheating in the past (C Lawrence, DJ Dan, Flash Brothers, etc), and I have no doubts a lot still do it on a smaller scale not to get caught.

A lot of these DJs are in their slots because of some period they had of amazing Stuff. Tiesto 1999-2002 (est), Armin 2001-2006, PvD, late 90s early 2000s. Notice a trend? All these DJs had their best stuff before ever hitting #1 in the poll.

Now looking at each of those DJs and at the years they were on top......if those were the years they were starting out their attempt to "rise" as a DJ, do you think they would have gone anywhere near the top? Nope. They wouldn't be. These DJ's positions raise up the ranks due to the more hardcore EDM fans.

It's from that popularity, in 95% of cases, that gets them the recognition of the more mass market. At that point, pure quality isn't as important because of how society works. They are ranked up there, they must be popular, therefore they must be at their best right now....and then they get those fans which in turn vote for them and that's what pushes them even higher.

The issue is that it's often around this time in a DJs career where this popularity starts influencing them. Suddenly, more friendly vocal tracks. Suddenly, more tracks for the radio. Suddenly, hear shit like hip-hop collaborations. Suddenly, the EDGE in their productions and sets are often muddled with more commercial-friend shit.

And it's all like clockwork.

And now look at the top house DJ. David Guetta. What's a big thing about his tracks? A lot of tracks that can hit the radio.

Deadmau5 is an oddball here, but he has the under 21 crowd locked down. Whoever was in charge of his marketing and all that is a genius.

You are starting to see a lot of the newer trance DJs shoot upt he charts. But they aren't going to get much further...unless they commercialize...cause all those top DJs are or will surely be doing so if they don't want to fall down the ranks.....

It's a shame.


Posted by odball on Nov-08-2009 20:41:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveT
Trance DJs see the DJMag poll as important, even though they themselves know it's largely a farse because it becomes a big "marketing campaign" competition to get people to vote for them. Don't believe me? Get to know those DJs and ask them.

House DJs get into the marketing a little...if at all, but trance DJs go overboard, even ones down the list -- they put splash pages on their websites, send out lots of emails, message you on myspace and facebook, etc. It prob wasn't as bad this year as past years. but in some cases the marketing has been flat out annoying.

DJs or their peeps (as some DJs had no knowledge) have been caught cheating in the past (C Lawrence, DJ Dan, Flash Brothers, etc), and I have no doubts a lot still do it on a smaller scale not to get caught.

A lot of these DJs are in their slots because of some period they had of amazing Stuff. Tiesto 1999-2002 (est), Armin 2001-2006, PvD, late 90s early 2000s. Notice a trend? All these DJs had their best stuff before ever hitting #1 in the poll.

Now looking at each of those DJs and at the years they were on top......if those were the years they were starting out their attempt to "rise" as a DJ, do you think they would have gone anywhere near the top? Nope. They wouldn't be. These DJ's positions raise up the ranks due to the more hardcore EDM fans.

It's from that popularity, in 95% of cases, that gets them the recognition of the more mass market. At that point, pure quality isn't as important because of how society works. They are ranked up there, they must be popular, therefore they must be at their best right now....and then they get those fans which in turn vote for them and that's what pushes them even higher.

The issue is that it's often around this time in a DJs career where this popularity starts influencing them. Suddenly, more friendly vocal tracks. Suddenly, more tracks for the radio. Suddenly, hear shit like hip-hop collaborations. Suddenly, the EDGE in their productions and sets are often muddled with more commercial-friend shit.

And it's all like clockwork.

And now look at the top house DJ. David Guetta. What's a big thing about his tracks? A lot of tracks that can hit the radio.

Deadmau5 is an oddball here, but he has the under 21 crowd locked down. Whoever was in charge of his marketing and all that is a genius.

You are starting to see a lot of the newer trance DJs shoot upt he charts. But they aren't going to get much further...unless they commercialize...cause all those top DJs are or will surely be doing so if they don't want to fall down the ranks.....

It's a shame.

how do i close this thread? it's getting way out of hand.


Posted by bas on Nov-08-2009 21:06:

What the fuck are you guys talking about?

odball stop being a fucking moron.


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