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Posted by Yohan on Jan-06-2010 19:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
Unfortunately, he went from being distinct to being fluff and generic as well. Too bad, since his sets were epic to say the least.

too bad about that. him and Adam Sheridan were two youngsters who could have had tremendous impact but got swept away by the vocal trance thing. used to be so excited about their potential in 04

Posted by Yohan on Jan-06-2010 19:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
Very few DJ's have resisted that temptation, and none of them have been Trance DJ's.
don't tell me Christopher Lawrence and Eddie Halliwell sold out too...

Posted by iLLnaDa on Jan-06-2010 19:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
Unfortunately, he went from being distinct to being fluff and generic as well. Too bad, since his sets were epic to say the least.

agreed...there was a time when you heard his set and knew it was a jon o'bir set now its all fluff...really too bad! He was amazing at Viva

quote:
Originally posted by Yohan
even sander van doorn plays way too much fluff lately

I realized this in Ibiza and i was like wtf is going on...one of the reasons why i don't feel bad missing his gig here in late 09.

Posted by FunkyCrew on Jan-06-2010 19:39:

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky
not so much anymore. Really disappointed with his last set here. Very generic stuff.

wut?
lol Alex srsly you're on crack
his set was top notch as per usual
maybe you should be with the right ppl next time not running off god know's where

Posted by smuncky on Jan-06-2010 19:51:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew
wut?
lol Alex srsly you're on crack
his set was top notch as per usual
maybe you should be with the right ppl next time not running off god know's where

Lol. W/e.

you're not gonna let that go, are you?

Posted by Orko on Jan-06-2010 19:58:

Looking at Leon Bolier's year end mix tracklist (below), there is a fair bit of techno in it, but it is not boring techno, and this type of techno has some melody.

The biggest issue with trance was(is) it that it became something that you could play on a piano; how many times did we see Armin in a break down, trying to play along to what ever song was on at the moment. Old trance didn't do that, it was a sound that was warped, and mostly would have been impossible to play on a music instrument, it had to be created in a studio. That's why new trance was more akin to dance/pop, it became accessible, with good and bad consequences.

In comes techno. Good luck playing a techno song on a piano, or any other musical instrument. Get back to that old type of feel, with modern sounds/filters/synths, and modern production quality, and we have our selves a ball game.

Now, I do not produce, so please take what I wrote with a grain of salt, as I have no idea what actually goes into producing a techno song, vs a trance song, I just know what they sound like in the end.

1 Tipmastaz & Arram Mantana - Ararat (Pig & Dan Remix)
2 Len Faki - Odyssee 2
3 Impact - Strangers
4 Dosem - Beach Kisses (Joris Voorn Green Mix) <--------great techno song with trance in it
5 Saint Rush - Nothing Like You <-----great example of a good new song with old elements
6 Andy Duguid ft Julie Thompson - Falling
7 First State - Brave (Jonas Steur Remix)
8 Marcus Sch�ssow & Robert Burian - Kofola
9 Wolfgang Gartner - Fire Power
10 Jules & Jazper - Analog Dog
11 Len Faki - BX3
12 Purple Haze - Bliksem
13 Mac & Mac - Solid Session (First State Remix)
14 Leon Bolier - Medellin
15 Super 8 & Tab - Irufushi
16 Three Drives - Automatic City
17 Richard Durand - Into Something (Fall Down Mix)
18 Cliff Coenraad - Gone South (Leon Bolier Remix)
19 Lisa Miskovsky - Still Alive (Raver Rework)
20 Breakfast - Remember
21 Gaia - Tuvan
22 Menno de Jong & Leon Bolier - Last Light Tonight
23 Peter Martijn Wijnia - Sacrifices (Vast Vision Remix)
24 John 'o Callaghan feat. Josie - Out of Nowhere (Stoneface&Terminal Remix)
25 Leon Bolier feat. Floria Ambra - This
26 Simon Patterson - Always
27 Jan Oostdyk - Eivissa Eivissa
28 Aly & Fila - Khepera (Leon Bolier Remix)
29 Roger Shah & Signum - Healesville Sanctuary
30 Leon Bolier - Lunar Diamond
31 Heatbeat - Vergatron
32 Paul Webster - The Wolf
33 Sied van Riel - Mongoosed
34 Oryon - V2
35 Leon Bolier - NSFW
36 Ernesto vs. Bastian - Laserbrain
37 W&W - Mainstage
38 The Killers - Spaceman (Sander van Doorn Remix 2)

Posted by kotsy on Jan-06-2010 20:01:

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky
not so much anymore. Really disappointed with his last set here. Very generic stuff.

I remember you glowing for most of his set!!

Posted by Orko on Jan-06-2010 20:02:

Drugs!

Posted by smuncky on Jan-06-2010 20:15:

quote:
Originally posted by kotsy
I remember you glowing for most of his set!!

That glow came from the two events I went to beforehand. Now THOSE parties had some good music.

Again, nothing wrong with markus, its just he keeps playing the same stuff over and over again. Ok, I get It, u like perspective space, but please, enough already.

Posted by Endlesswave on Jan-06-2010 20:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Yohan
don't tell me Christopher Lawrence and Eddie Halliwell sold out too...

CL ROCKED Pacha Nyc...Ronski speed sucked balls sorry to say, kept playing vocal crap. I'll probably go to Vola but ONLY for Stoneface and Terminal only b/c I'm hoping it'll be quality trancey shit with minimal vocals.

Posted by PurpleHaze on Jan-06-2010 20:36:

someone bring back talla to guv, the night in 2007 with gielan was one of my best trance nights ever ...talla was UNREAL!!

Posted by Endlesswave on Jan-06-2010 20:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
Looking at Leon Bolier's year end mix tracklist (below), there is a fair bit of techno in it, but it is not boring techno, and this type of techno has some melody.

The biggest issue with trance was(is) it that it became something that you could play on a piano; how many times did we see Armin in a break down, trying to play along to what ever song was on at the moment. Old trance didn't do that, it was a sound that was warped, and mostly would have been impossible to play on a music instrument, it had to be created in a studio. That's why new trance was more akin to dance/pop, it became accessible, with good and bad consequences.

In comes techno. Good luck playing a techno song on a piano, or any other musical instrument. Get back to that old type of feel, with modern sounds/filters/synths, and modern production quality, and we have our selves a ball game.

Now, I do not produce, so please take what I wrote with a grain of salt, as I have no idea what actually goes into producing a techno song, vs a trance song, I just know what they sound like in the end.

1 Tipmastaz & Arram Mantana - Ararat (Pig & Dan Remix)
2 Len Faki - Odyssee 2
3 Impact - Strangers
4 Dosem - Beach Kisses (Joris Voorn Green Mix) <--------great techno song with trance in it
5 Saint Rush - Nothing Like You <-----great example of a good new song with old elements
6 Andy Duguid ft Julie Thompson - Falling
7 First State - Brave (Jonas Steur Remix)
8 Marcus Sch�ssow & Robert Burian - Kofola
9 Wolfgang Gartner - Fire Power
10 Jules & Jazper - Analog Dog
11 Len Faki - BX3
12 Purple Haze - Bliksem
13 Mac & Mac - Solid Session (First State Remix)
14 Leon Bolier - Medellin
15 Super 8 & Tab - Irufushi
16 Three Drives - Automatic City
17 Richard Durand - Into Something (Fall Down Mix)
18 Cliff Coenraad - Gone South (Leon Bolier Remix)
19 Lisa Miskovsky - Still Alive (Raver Rework)
20 Breakfast - Remember
21 Gaia - Tuvan
22 Menno de Jong & Leon Bolier - Last Light Tonight
23 Peter Martijn Wijnia - Sacrifices (Vast Vision Remix)
24 John 'o Callaghan feat. Josie - Out of Nowhere (Stoneface&Terminal Remix)
25 Leon Bolier feat. Floria Ambra - This
26 Simon Patterson - Always
27 Jan Oostdyk - Eivissa Eivissa
28 Aly & Fila - Khepera (Leon Bolier Remix)
29 Roger Shah & Signum - Healesville Sanctuary
30 Leon Bolier - Lunar Diamond
31 Heatbeat - Vergatron
32 Paul Webster - The Wolf
33 Sied van Riel - Mongoosed
34 Oryon - V2
35 Leon Bolier - NSFW
36 Ernesto vs. Bastian - Laserbrain
37 W&W - Mainstage
38 The Killers - Spaceman (Sander van Doorn Remix 2)

+ a million.

Posted by Endlesswave on Jan-06-2010 21:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Endlesswave
+ a million.

I love how things are going back to the beginning (sort of) where in techno it's all beats then melody is slowly creeping back into things more and more so that techier sounds with melody is what is making people love the sound. I found myself liking the beats initially b/c the fluff in trance was becoming WAY too generic and boring and didn't give me that same uplifting feeling I had before. But when similar melodies starting creeping into techno it just became AMAZING.

Posted by FunkyCrew on Jan-06-2010 21:02:

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky
Lol. W/e.

you're not gonna let that go, are you?

never careful with those eye rolling, ya know, might roll all the way back and get stuck

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky
Ok, I get It, u like perspective space, but please, enough already.

srsly stfu already
1 track only
his set was full with the most recent stuff at a time
you know if you actually listened to any of his prior GDJB's you'd what you're talking about
right now you're talking gibberish.

Posted by TRANCEEEE on Jan-06-2010 21:05:

Producers used to make an effort to make a track sound good... now it's all "pre-set" sounds, or whatever they're called, put together.
So many songs sound exactly the same such as: CHAKALAKA and PONG by Wippenberg or STARDUST and BLUEPRINT by Stoneface & Terminal.
Now it's become quantity over quality!

Posted by Endlesswave on Jan-06-2010 21:37:

quote:
Originally posted by TRANCEEEE
Producers used to make an effort to make a track sound good... now it's all "pre-set" sounds, or whatever they're called, put together.
So many songs sound exactly the same such as: CHAKALAKA and PONG by Wippenberg or STARDUST and BLUEPRINT by Stoneface & Terminal.
Now it's become quantity over quality!

Originally despite the oversaturation of the trance sound (imo) is SADLY really lacking.

Posted by Ni-Cd on Jan-06-2010 21:51:

And if anyone as ignorant as I am on the trance scene wants to hear Leon Bolier's 2009 Yearmix and have a listen, grab it here:

Stream to listen or download from soundcloud:

http://soundcloud.com/leonbolier/le...ed-2009-yearmix

Posted by FunkyCrew on Jan-06-2010 21:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Ni-Cd
And if anyone as ignorant as I am on the trance scene wants to hear Leon Bolier's 2009 Yearmix and have a listen, grab it here:

Stream to listen or download from soundcloud:

http://soundcloud.com/leonbolier/le...ed-2009-yearmix

oh thanks Sheldon! time to educate myself on Bolier

Posted by msmichy on Jan-06-2010 22:12:

I thought Markus Schultz was amazing in Ibiza this past August!!

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky
not so much anymore. Really disappointed with his last set here. Very generic stuff.

Posted by Endlesswave on Jan-06-2010 22:31:

Posted by Orko on Jan-06-2010 22:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Ni-Cd
And if anyone as ignorant as I am on the trance scene wants to hear Leon Bolier's 2009 Yearmix and have a listen, grab it here:

Stream to listen or download from soundcloud:

http://soundcloud.com/leonbolier/le...ed-2009-yearmix

Haha, i posted it in the trance download thread, the obvious thing would have been to post it in here too.

THanks!

Posted by Mortyman on Jan-06-2010 22:43:

lol @ all the other threads trying to copy this one

Posted by Pure Trance Prd on Jan-06-2010 22:50:

yeah i seen that... i start to chuckle reading them,....lol

Posted by MSZ on Jan-06-2010 22:52:

can we hold hands and reach for the lazers together? i will not touch your hand if you are on ecstasy. *slap

Posted by MSZ on Jan-07-2010 00:19:

hi kurwa.

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