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Originally posted by PivotTechno You're certifiably insane if you think it does...

So just what does the world revolve around? Enlighten us, please.

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Originally posted by idoru So just what does the world revolve around? Enlighten us, please.

The sun...

Okay, I'll leave.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit ok castro.

I don't believe in the equal distribution of wealth either. There is something in between called fair and equitable wages, which ensures that there isn't such a massive gap between the highest earners and the lowest.

You'd still probably have to give up some of your couch space in order for that to happen. So sorry.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno I don't believe in the equal distribution of wealth either. There is something in between called fair and equitable wages, which ensures that there isn't such a massive gap between the highest earners and the lowest. You'd still probably have to give up some of your couch space in order for that to happen. So sorry.

I have no complaints about progressive taxes.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno I don't believe in the equal distribution of wealth either. There is something in between called fair and equitable wages, which ensures that there isn't such a massive gap between the highest earners and the lowest. You'd still probably have to give up some of your couch space in order for that to happen. So sorry.

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Originally posted by idoru So just what does the world revolve around? Enlighten us, please.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit You're an idiot if you don't think this world revolves around money. I'm thinking of plausible solutions while you're hugging your trees.

Read what I wrote, comprehend it, and then reply. In that order, please.

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Originally posted by woscar Read what I wrote, comprehend it, and then reply. In that order, please.

I understand what you're saying, but you have to also understand how the world works. The economy will dictate when fossil fuels will be rendered inneficient due to cost or supply etc. This can be done with taxation, sanctions, price elevation etc. At this point it will be worth while to invest and build a new energy infrastructure based on alternate resources.

This is a viable solution, NOT lying to the public about drastic events to unfold in the NEAR future to fear monger them into switching sources.

We live in a capitalist society where money does dictates actions, If you want to change our methods of harnesting energy, and energy sources, find an economically viable solution. I have presented one.

so how about that oil, eh?

I reckon money is a HUGE deciding factor in what happens in the world today

^^ Setting this as my desktop background

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Originally posted by FuzzQi ^^ Setting this as my desktop background

why don't you make those incest comics your background? eh?




































lol sorry i had to say that

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Originally posted by tubularbills why don't you make those incest comics your background? eh? lol sorry i had to say that

Tbh, the oil spill bugs me more than those incest comics

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Originally posted by FuzzQi Tbh, the oil spill bugs me more than those incest comics

what about it bugs you?

talk to us Fuzzi; tell us how you really feel

*opens couch*

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Originally posted by tubularbills what about it bugs you? talk to us Fuzzi; tell us how you really feel *opens couch*

Hmmmm, I have internal conflict about it aye

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Originally posted by FuzzQi internal conflict

how so?

It's really simple actually - it's a serious disaster and I hope they fix it soon.

Conflict resolved

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Originally posted by FuzzQi It's really simple actually - it's a serious disaster and I hope they fix it soon. Conflict resolved

and how does that make you feel?

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Originally posted by woscar You're an imbecile because you insist on depending on fossil fuels as energy sources, you favor drilling on your country's untapped oil deposits as opposed to spending on developing green technologies and seem to be more concerned about how this is going to affect your "drill baby, drill" mantra and how you are going to wipe the egg off your face rather than the disastrous environmental implications. This is a wake-up call, and all you care about are your politics and your wallet.

You are helping me make my point; if we obtained the same amount of oil from dry land that we do from offshore oil rigs, we would minimize the risk of environmental disasters at sea. I never said I was against alternatives... and I never once insisted on an "either/or" scenario. Developing alternatives is totally fine with me, but you can't just drop oil/gas and make the switch overnight. I live in the real world and understand that fossil fuels feed the engine of economic growth today; you're an imbecile if you think we don't require them for prosperous economies. And we will continue to need them as our main source for some time, like it or not. If green energy and technology were genuinely prosperous, the market would be flush with them right now. What would you know about economic growth anyway? You hail from a country where 50% of the labor force picks bananas and coffee beans.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit You're an idiot if you don't think this world revolves around money. I'm thinking of plausible solutions while you're hugging your trees.

Most of the time, yes it does. But sometimes an event happens that interrupts that thinking.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...D8SRP.DTL&tsp=1

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Schwarzenegger drops offshore drilling project (05-03) 16:39 PDT Sacramento -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday withdrew his support for a plan he championed to allow new offshore oil drilling off Santa Barbara County, citing the disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Schwarzenegger, whose administration as recently as Friday defended the proposed Tranquillon Ridge offshore drilling project, said images of the spill in the gulf changed his mind. "All of you have seen, when you turn on the television, the devastation in the gulf, and I'm sure that they also were assured that it was safe to drill," he said at a news conference Monday. "I see on TV the birds drenched in oil, the fishermen out of work, the massive oil spill and oil slick destroying our precious ecosystem. That will not happen here in California, and this is why I am withdrawing my support for the T-Ridge project." His new stance all but guarantees the demise of the proposal by a Texas oil company to allow the first new drilling in state waters in 40 years. The governor had previously argued that the state, which is facing a $20 billion budget shortfall, should approve the plan to raise as much as $100 million a year in new revenue. The plan would allow Plains Exploration & Production Co. of Houston to use an existing oil platform in federal waters to drill just over the line in state waters. The plan included an agreement by Plains to shut down all operations in the area after 14 years. "My support for the T-Ridge project in California was based on numerous studies making me feel it was safe to drill ... and a commitment to remove the platforms," Schwarzenegger said at a signing ceremony for executive orders on wildlife prevention. Easy decision The Republican governor, who has made environmental issues one of the cornerstones of his administration, said the trade-off between new revenues and the potential for environmental devastation made the decision easy. "If I have a choice between $100 million and what you are seeing in the Gulf of Mexico, I'd rather just find out a way to make up for that $100 million," he said. When "you turn on television and see the enormous disaster, you say to yourself, 'Why would we want to take that risk?' The risk is just much greater than the money is worth, and so we will figure out how to deal with the extra $100 million problem." Opponents of the proposal, including Assemblyman Pedro Nava, D-Santa Barbara, cheered the decision. "I'm just glad that he joined me and most of the rest of California in opposing the oil drilling," said Nava, who is running for state attorney general. "This is good news for all of California." Proposal rejected Last year, the three-member State Lands Commission that has governed oil-leasing decisions since 1938 rejected the proposal by Plains Exploration. But as the state grappled with a huge cash shortfall and deficit, the governor attempted to do an end-run around that body and went to the Legislature to approve the project. The Assembly rejected the plan, which would have raised up to $4 billion for the state during the 14-year period, depending on oil prices. Since then, however, Abel Maldonado, R-Santa Maria (Santa Barbara County), replaced the Democratic lieutenant governor, who held the swing seat on the State Lands Commission. Environmentalists and other opponents of the project worried that if the oil company resubmitted its plan to the commission, as it was expected to do, Maldonado might allow the plan to move forward. Maldonado has refused to take a position, saying he needs to review the proposal but that, in general, he wants to see the platforms come down. A spokesman for Plains Exploration & Production Co. could not be reached for comment. State Controller John Chiang, who sits on the State Lands Commission and voted against the project last year, praised the governor's new position. "I am pleased the governor has withdrawn his support for what would have been the first new oil lease off the coast of California in 40 years," he said in a prepared statement. "As a member of the State Lands Commission who voted against the project last year, I am saddened that it took a tragic and massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico to remind us how important it is that we continue to protect California's shores and our multi-billion dollar coastal and port economies."

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Originally posted by idoru So just what does the world revolve around? Enlighten us, please.

Shared resources, actually, which are growing increasingly scarce due to relentless focus on profit.

now that we've destroyed the water can we start dumping other shit in there.

April 20th and now it is May the 6th; hmmm

http://www.thebigoilspill.com/

looks like the current has done something here

hurricane season on the way!!!

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit I just hate to hear idiots galavant on how evil goldman sachs are when they don't even understand their business model or what they are at fault for.

Fraud is a business model now?

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