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-- 2011.03.19 [LA] INSOMNIAC : Beyond Wonderland 2011 @ Nos Event Center
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Originally posted by chlola I thought about going, have never been.... Actually a friend of mine bought me a ticket, but after TAO I lost my faith in this crew.

This will be way different then TAO...

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Originally posted by Nerologic This will be way different then TAO...

Exactly.

Less than two months till the event, lineup coming out soon?

confirmed so far:
Sean Tyas
Noisia
Netsky

I'm not a promoter so I don't how the best way to put on events but wouldn't you want to announce the full line up as early as possible to hopefully get a lot of ticket sales early on so you kind of know how much money the event will make? By not releasing the line up, you still get some of the people that will buy tickets no matter what, but wouldn't you still get those people if you did announce the whole line up? The long absence of info doesn't make sense to me, but maybe that's why I'm not a promoter

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Originally posted by trance_seeker I'm not a promoter so I don't how the best way to put on events but wouldn't you want to announce the full line up as early as possible to hopefully get a lot of ticket sales early on so you kind of know how much money the event will make? By not releasing the line up, you still get some of the people that will buy tickets no matter what, but wouldn't you still get those people if you did announce the whole line up? The long absence of info doesn't make sense to me, but maybe that's why I'm not a promoter

The easiest answer is that they don't have the lineup ready yet. Even if they have agreements with the main acts there is a lot of politics w/r/t how they're getting billed on fliers, stages/timeslots, etc. This can take time to work out. Admittedly, I have no idea if thats what's going on here, but those are the reasons that were given to me when skills was taking its sweet time with a lineup for one of their shows a while back.

Also, delaying the lineup announcement works really well for getting a bunch of free promo on forums cause everyone bumps the thread looking for new lineup info, lol.

i also agree that they don't have the lineup confirmed which is why they are delaying it. it's possible that due to the recent issues with raves here in so.cal, a lot of the agencies aren't giving the green lights for their dj's to play at so.cal massives.

my 2 cents

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Originally posted by modthispny i also agree that they don't have the lineup confirmed which is why they are delaying it. it's possible that due to the recent issues with raves here in so.cal, a lot of the agencies aren't giving the green lights for their dj's to play at so.cal massives. my 2 cents

This makes some sense to me. I mean, how many agencies lost out when Lovefest 2010 was canceled? On the other hand, this event is in beautiful downtown San Bernardino, and Nocturnal seemed to go over quite well there.

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Originally posted by in2muzikk This makes some sense to me. I mean, how many agencies lost out when Lovefest 2010 was canceled? On the other hand, this event is in beautiful downtown San Bernardino, and Nocturnal seemed to go over quite well there.

ya you definitely can't compare the two. NOS event center massives are the best but it's hard to explain the difference to an agency somewhere in europe lol.

web site is up

http://www.beyond-wonderland.com

Well, VIP is open bar again. That's good to know!

Now we just need a lineup. I saw Sean Tyas twice last year, so I'm not too interested in seeing a mini-set compared to what I've already seen.

Netsky is awesome, so there's one positive if he's actually booked.

I wonder who the heavy hitter will be? PVD? A&B? (Neither of them have a scheduled gig for that weekend yet)

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Originally posted by Quazar Well, VIP is open bar again. That's good to know! Now we just need a lineup. I saw Sean Tyas twice last year, so I'm not too interested in seeing a mini-set compared to what I've already seen. Netsky is awesome, so there's one positive if he's actually booked. I wonder who the heavy hitter will be? PVD? A&B? (Neither of them have a scheduled gig for that weekend yet)

I have a feeling A&B will there, if not edc for sure.

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Originally posted by Quazar Well, VIP is open bar again. That's good to know! Now we just need a lineup. I saw Sean Tyas twice last year, so I'm not too interested in seeing a mini-set compared to what I've already seen. Netsky is awesome, so there's one positive if he's actually booked. I wonder who the heavy hitter will be? PVD? A&B? (Neither of them have a scheduled gig for that weekend yet)

Well, at least if I go I'll have someone to drink with if there is no VIP space in the trance area. Yea for open bar

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Originally posted by Quazar Well, VIP is open bar again. That's good to know!

I gave up on the "VIP Experience" - last time I went (Nocturnal, year before last), the only vodka was Russian Standard (you can probably search for it right here on the TA forum and read how people wish they had died rather than living the next day after drinking this poison that passes for vodka). I was so surprised after all the complaints to see this shit back at EDC last year, so I'm sure they will have it again at Beyond Wonderland as well.

Even getting bottled water was a fiasco, you had to finish it inside the VIP area, so when you really needed a drink after dancing for an hour in one of the stages, it was all the way back to the VIP area to gulp another water down in 2 minutes and back to the stage to dance again, without water.

The only good things were the buffet and restrooms. The buffet is average, but there are not a lot of nearby gourmet restaurants and it is convenient. The restrooms inside VIP have soap, hot & cold running water, and even paper towels the first half of the night...not worth the extra cost this year for me though.

I just hope they come to their senses and serve top shelf liquor to to those who are paying for it. The beer-only setup at EDC was such a buzzkill, no wonder so much of the crowd was on e!

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Originally posted by in2muzikk I gave up on the "VIP Experience" - last time I went (Nocturnal, year before last), the only vodka was Russian Standard (you can probably search for it right here on the TA forum and read how people wish they had died rather than living the next day after drinking this poison that passes for vodka). I was so surprised after all the complaints to see this shit back at EDC last year, so I'm sure they will have it again at Beyond Wonderland as well. Even getting bottled water was a fiasco, you had to finish it inside the VIP area, so when you really needed a drink after dancing for an hour in one of the stages, it was all the way back to the VIP area to gulp another water down in 2 minutes and back to the stage to dance again, without water. The only good things were the buffet and restrooms. The buffet is average, but there are not a lot of nearby gourmet restaurants and it is convenient. The restrooms inside VIP have soap, hot & cold running water, and even paper towels the first half of the night...not worth the extra cost this year for me though. I just hope they come to their senses and serve top shelf liquor to to those who are paying for it. The beer-only setup at EDC was such a buzzkill, no wonder so much of the crowd was on e!

They had Russian Standard at Monster Massive, and the hangover was definitely bad. I've had worse, though.

I feel you on the fact that you can't take any of the drinks, water included, out of the VIP section. Nocturnal 2010 had a VIP bar at the house stage, but not the trance stage (thanks to Steve Angello's supposed hissy fit that the stages be changed last minute).

At Noc 2010, though, the vodka was Smirnoff. Not the best by any means, but better than Russian Standard for sure.

i remember Armin Only 2008/TAO they had grey goose in the VIP..there was no line either the whole night to get a drink.

good 'ol days.

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Originally posted by dufflebox +1. Would like to see Lawrence on the lineup, have been enjoying his podcasts lately.

Thinking about heading down to Socal for EDC/Nocturnal/Beyond Wonderland this year as there's NOTHING going on in the Bay Area at the moment. Seems like all the massives (or what was left of them) are getting shut down. Permit problems are bad here.

Saw Christopher Lawrence at Ruby Skye last weekend and he rocked it. Would love to see him at the show in March. Does anyone know when the lineup will be posted?

Considering doing a VIP ticket though the sound of crappy vodka isn't very appealing.

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Originally posted by Stassi I like the way you think woody! Can I add: Loco Dice Dubfire Marco Carola Magda

A couple of these people are possibly playing.

LED lights and light gloves will no longer be allowed into Insomniac events until further notice.
I know a lot of you will complain, but i support this.
e-puddles are just gross and the epitome of where bad rave stereotypes come from!!!

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Originally posted by Tosh LED lights and light gloves will no longer be allowed into Insomniac events until further notice. I know a lot of you will complain, but i support this. e-puddles are just gross and the epitome of where bad rave stereotypes come from!!!

Yessssssss finally, thank god, my prayers have been answered. That shit is so embarassing when people across the country/world see that we still use lights. Hopefully massagers/pacifiers/backpacks/etc. are next to go

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Originally posted by fantasyexctasy Yessssssss finally, thank god, my prayers have been answered. That shit is so embarassing when people across the country/world see that we still use lights. Hopefully massagers/pacifiers/backpacks/etc. are next to go

I used to love glowsticks, but back then it was more of a dance style than a way to entertain e-puddles (except for the occasional lightshow). Now it seems like lights are only ever used for the e-puddles. :/

Pacifiers were already banned at Nocturnal, iirc.

They went from a way to express and and enjoy yourself to a way to congregate hoards of people who are passing out from over medicating!
I like a little from time to time, but i hate walking across people hands that are layin on the floor.
The worst i've seen was people doing mud angels (like snow angels) at Pop.... WTF???

I would have to disagree with banning LED lights. It's an art form. Yeah it may cause "e-puddles" and stuff on the dance floor, but the best thing to do would to kick them out, or make them stand up. I personally give light shows more than i receive, but I don't do that many. I like to dance more, but it's always nice to meet people by trading shows, or just giving them to people. They have banned pacifiers and massagers, and that's a good thing because that has NOTHING to do with music. At least lights express music.

It's easier to cut down on them by not allowing them rather than just causing chaos by kicking people out or making them stand up (because they will just sit back down). Would be a security mess.

I have not seen a person or crew using glowsticks as an artform since probably when Spundae was at Circus and people would make circles around people doing crazy stuff with glowsticks in the back of the dancefloor.

When I see people "trading shows," it still just about always making each other roll balls. It's no artform.

Big fan of this rule. And it's only the attendees fault that this rule is being put into place. Promoters are getting to the point they are forced to. I have heard in some counties/cities (in redneck states), using glowsticks in clubs is illegal. Considered paraphernalia when used in clubs. I wish I remember where, was years ago when I was reading an article on it. ANyhow, just saying if anyone wants to be upset over this rule, it should only be people who do see it as an artform and use it in such a manner (and not to enhance drug use) and they should only be mad at the druggies who roll balls off the light shows. And not the promtoers

There are people who sit and practice for days and nights. It's not just waving your hands around. There are plenty of people that get shows when they are sober or just drink. I mean some of my friends enjoy light shows because it looks good and they don't even do ecstasy. Don't get me wrong, I can see where you are coming from, but i'm just standing up for what i believe in.

But what's done is done, only time will tell. Hopefully it won't be banned forever.

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