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Erm, I have. Several hundred of them to be exact. In fact I'm one of maybe half a dozen people who is qualified to service them. I actually built/tested the first few hundred serials of both the normal voyager and signature series while working for the retailer that launched them. Not quite, that quote is straight from Bob Moog that he told me himself. He said there is no difference. They sound the same (all things being equal like a good enough output stage like a good DAC etc). Sorry, but I'll take the creators word over anyone else's.

Fourth rule of fight-club only one topic to a thread please. And on that note the arturia waste of money crap sounds about as analog to me as a dx7. it's so analog I would rather use the build in reason synths. Those are a bit more analog.

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Originally posted by Twilothunder23 Fourth rule of fight-club only one topic to a thread please. And on that note the arturia waste of money crap sounds about as analog to me as a dx7. it's so analog I would rather use the build in reason synths. Those are a bit more analog.

Your loss. The arturia are damn good, especially when consider a voyager costs more then 10 times what the software does. On the high extremes (i.e. lowest notes, wide open filters) you can hear the difference, but bear in mind the minimoog v is not a voyager clone so regardless it's going to sound different as it's a different synth.

have they captured the moog sound? yes, but If you want a voyager clone the the minimonsta is probably closer.

Anyway, the laughable thin is 99% of people would not contest a arturia or Gforce patch played through a pristine signal chain if they were told it came from a moog. so much bullshit out there.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad it was meant to be an analogy but the world is not analog therefor it must be some quantized approximation. That is something you cannot argue. Well .

Fixed.

Quantum physics states that most phenomena take on quantised values. but that doesn't mean that the world is digital either. Quantisation certainly doesn't imply that the universe is digital, since even quantised values can have more than two values.

Further, the fact that some physical properties are quantised is sort of irrelevant to the fact that the world is mostly analogue, the position that a particle occupies in space is NOT quantised as far as I'm aware, and its the movement of particles which is relevant to hearing.

Also, this entire discussion is a complete and total wank, and hardly anyone here seems to have payed attention in high school physics. Fail.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad not to downplay his legacy but Bob isn't really at an age where he can make audio comparisons. I mean his hearing must be down to like 8 kHz. But I do agree with you.

Considering he's dead and all, I don't think he'd be very accurate...

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I'm going with Bob Moog on this one: "the Aruria VST version of my (voyager) synth sounds indentical".

Yeah, I tend to agree with this, there are a lot of bad digital synths, but when they're done properly they're brilliant. Arturia is a good example of how to do it right, and anyone who denies that those synths are awesome really needs to get their hearing checked.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad So is this Floyd or Fledz ? I love games. Or Palm. But palm is never this mean.

that alt is existo, banned every second week. same person as spammed the whole forum with his/hers CLICK4MOREVINYL ebay shit. Let Sushipunk see this thread and she/he is banned immediately. Existos a moron and a troll, with personal grudge against everyone on TA, because she/he cant manage to fit in.

lol, if there's one thing I don't do it's make alts. As tempting as it is on certain occasions

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Originally posted by kitphillips Fixed. Quantum physics states that most phenomena take on quantised values. but that doesn't mean that the world is digital either. Quantisation certainly doesn't imply that the universe is digital, since even quantised values can have more than two values. Further, the fact that some physical properties are quantised is sort of irrelevant to the fact that the world is mostly analogue, the position that a particle occupies in space is NOT quantised as far as I'm aware, and its the movement of particles which is relevant to hearing. Also, this entire discussion is a complete and total wank, and hardly anyone here seems to have payed attention in high school physics. Fail.

I only ever made the analogy between quantization and our perception of the world. We do not perceive the world in any manner via an analog representation. There are all kind of node points and gaps and it is really a best guess from the limited information we take in.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Fixed. Quantum physics states that most phenomena take on quantised values. but that doesn't mean that the world is digital either. Quantisation certainly doesn't imply that the universe is digital, since even quantised values can have more than two values. Further, the fact that some physical properties are quantised is sort of irrelevant to the fact that the world is mostly analogue, the position that a particle occupies in space is NOT quantised as far as I'm aware, and its the movement of particles which is relevant to hearing. Also, this entire discussion is a complete and total wank, and hardly anyone here seems to have payed attention in high school physics. Fail.

Energy is transfered between particles using fixed quanta just like digital 0's and 1's. Just because you can have differnet outputs of total energy transferance does not mean that each quanta varies.

Energy is a conserved quantity and as everything, absolutely everything occurs at the quantum level when you boil down any action in the Universe, then in this sense the transference of packets of energy are in defined bite sized digital chunks.

For a sound wave to occur energy MUST be transfered from one entity to another.

Ok I'm stretching the point but this is because I always want to go right to the very route of any occurance inj nature, and not be strapped into the 'mere' reality us large slow beings can percieve. Nature is not interested in how we as large slow beings in a classical world sense nature, oh no, nature just is what it is regardless of our clumsy senses.

Wow. This topic is almost as bad as people arguing about analog.

I've created a monster!

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Originally posted by DigiNut Dude, you're a psych student, not a geneticist or brain surgeon. You're not an expert in anatomy or cognitive science. Don't try to assert authority over a subject you know nothing about.

"Dude", you're not an expert in anatomy/cognitive science either so wtf is your point? Also, I'm allowed to "assert my authority" w/out being an expert because this isn't times magazine. Its tranceaddict.com.
Whats also important, is the fact that noone even muttered a word about genes or brain surgery. So you are actually talking about shit that never happened, just in some lame attempt to undermine my intelligence.

Should I make a list of professions that digi isn't either? No.. because that would be a dweeb thing to do.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Maybe they did teach you some of this in school, but obviously they only scratched the surface, because the crap you're spewing is so utterly superficial, it sounds like it came straight off one of those web pages on recreational drugs. Or maybe Wikipedia.

Shut the fuck up. You should know better than to talk to me like that. I never once came in here proclaiming to be an expert at anything. You afterall are the one who likes to dismiss the significance of evolutionary theory by saying humans didn't evolve on condoms, forgetting all together that if humans had the choice, noone would use a condom.

You don't even know how to formulate a decent argument please don't make gross generalized claims about what you assume to know about me. Also, theres no point really talking about Wikipedia if you're too lazy to go reference something I actually said. Otherwise it tends to come off try hard like you have no real dirt to throw at me, but wish you did.

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Originally posted by DigiNut If you want to argue the facts, fine. But stop throwing your dick around and acting like a few hours in the same classrooms that engineers and pre-med students sat in as a bird course somehow make you uniquely qualified to comment on every single aspect of music and science (because it's all psychology, right? ).

"Facts", encase you weren't aware, a debate on whether or not the brain is more analog or digital couldn't possibly be based on facts, because the brain is neither or. Also, I clearly don't comment on "every single aspect" of music and science. Out of the last 40 or so threads that have been made, I likely posted in 5 or 6 of them. Go look. You're suppose to be a moderator around here, but you never seem to know wtf you're talking about.

Lastly I'm not sure why you even mention pre-med students like you have any sort of idea what they study. The entire school of medicine is a "bird course", and most of those bookworms lack the common sense to communicate with anyone in the real world. They also like learning about a lot of medicines that half of them never will even wind up prescribing, while ignoring completely significant medical problems such as EDS. Not a single med student knows what it is, and neither do you. So drop the shit like you're even up to par with what a stupid ass med student knows.

You seemed to have missed the point that I wasn't even talking about the brain being digital as much as I was challenging M4Bs insignificant grounds for his digital assertation. It was about as strong as your condom explanation, which I'm more than certain is the only reason you chose to engage me then demean my intelligence in the first place. I never once said I was "uniquely qualified" at anything. People like you just assume that because I like psychology and like talking about it. Its about as accurate as me saying the only reason you responded to my ramble with a ramble is because I disagreed with you about evolution (or maybe that is accurate hmm). You could have as easily picked M4B, or twilo, but you picked me because � I ramble? And tell people I'm an expert? Maybe the first parts true, but you're spreading just as many "facts" as I am.

Woopty doo my names Digi and I just proved the entire field of evolutionary science wrong because guess what? We wear condoms ! I'd be mad too if I was you and made a dumbass remark like that then got owned by some psychology student. Don't come at me bitching about it, go open a psych book.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I'm not even kidding, you simply don't know how to debate an issue and I'm getting sick of watching you try. You ramble on endlessly either stating opinions as facts or making up new facts as you go along, and when you finally manage to paint yourself into a corner, you inevitably respond with some variation of "I don't have to explain myself to you, I'm a Psychologist!" Fuck. Off.

"I'm not even kidding".. yeh and thats a great way to start a debate, that and "dude" are the top preferred choice words of expert communicators nationwide.

Please don't talk to me about debating or what some call "critical discourse". I've taken more courses on communication/discourse than you can count, given dozens of speeches for IRB certified research conventions, spoke at crisis groups, you name it. Music encase you didn't know is not generally a field full of expert communicators. Psychology is.
I also never once painted myself into a corner, but you wish I did. Lets not forget thats your bias perception of what happened. I left the thread BECAUSE it wasn't entertaining anymore. No more, no less, get it right.

Encase you're not aware. 99% of threads that involve with the words "analog/digital" turn into the same boring, predictable, and monotonous shit everytime. People were already predicting where this thread was headed. However, the physiology topic for once wasn't predictable. I entertained it in a highly sarcastic manner. If you in your head actually believed for one fucking second, that I thought the brain was either digital or analog, then its very apparent that you are NOT a psychologist. I talk to M4B like I talk to my father. I also respect him quite a lot, and even voiced this to him fairly recently. You are the one who actually took that whole debate seriously, which is the sad part. I was just fucking with him to see if he'd break his role, but M4B never does that. And you are somehow disillusioned into thinking I was speaking facts, and are likely the only person in this thread to have thought that.

Any outside spectator was able to see this thread for what it was. Something that should have been locked months ago but wasn't because our mods are too busy drinking on the job. I'm sorry I shouldn't say that, because digi was busy drinking on the job.

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Originally posted by DigiNut For the record, the human brain is not analog, digital, quantum, or any of those things. The human brain is biological. Or biochemical, depending on who you ask. Organic matter does not work on electronic principles. Saying it's digital or analog or whatever else is an analogy, or a model, which is useful enough for what it is but has absolutely no value as evidence in a discussion like this.

Thanks for the lesson I would have never known that had you not explained it to me right now. I imagine you learn these valuable things in engineering school? Either way truly perplexing.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I might as well say that airplanes fly, therefore they're like birds, which means they must also shit on windshields and get chased by cats. That's a form of inductive reasoning, and a rather flagrant and useless one. You're asserting a strong conclusion by relying on a weak analogy. It's not a valid argument.

Again I can't thank you enough for your tutorial on inductive reasoning.
You'll likely ban me, I don't really care cause you're a nerd like that. But its evident now that you simply take me too seriously. I am a wise ass yes, but you are a fucking mod, act like one. At no point did I insult anyone untill you came in here and insulted me. So suck my fucking dick you petty bitch.

You on the other hand came in here just to address me, to make damn well sure that I know I'm not intelligent or an expert at anything� to demean my intelligence and tell me to "fuck off". The reality is you don't disprove evolution on the grounds of one statement about condoms, you also don't prove the brain is analog by a weak explanation of neurons always being "on or off". I never professed to be an expert at anything, but those 2 opinions were well deserved. I spoke them, if you don't like them, don't ever come in here pretending to be a moderator and telling long term members to "fuck off". Tell me to "get on topic". I'm not sure how you expect a single person in here to respect you when you can't even act your role.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Unless you've actually got something to say for once, you'd better be.

I once saw you write a lengthy dissertation about the problems with newbies on this forum in the middle of a thread which wasn't even remotely justified. It was one of the most repulsive, offensive, and bias things I've ever read on this forum in my life.
I was posting in that thread with other people, and got 2 pms from people telling me how fed up they were with favoring and level of selective empathy on here. I even know a couple of them pm'd swamper.
I never ONCE came into that thread or mentioned anything about your intelligence and how bitter your rant sounded because god forbid someone reprimands digi for acting like a moron. You had long term members ready to leave the forum over it (yes a post about newbies that is) and I can't even imagine what the newbies who read it were thinking.

It was your way of "moderating". You come in, vent, then leave and go back to your cat naps or w/e it is you do all day. The point is I read that and thought "maybe he just had a bad day", but the fact is it was downright fucked up. I still left it alone, BECAUSE people are going to think what they think regardless of how much you rant about it, or I rant about you ranting, or you rant about me ranting.

You sometimes come into threads on a pedestal higher than snoop dog, make a lot of pretentious comments, and never have to hear about it from anyone. But thank you for once again, coming into a thread, and telling me to "fuck off" after I ALREADY made the decision to fuck off w/out your help. We make a lot of decisions on this forum w/out your help. And the sad fact is, with or without you, a single thing on this forum would never change. That�s how much difference you make as a moderator here. If you can be proud of anything now, it will be the fact you banned Robby Rox. At least you have something to put on your mod'n resume. Don't ever fucking come into a thread insulting members when they're just playing around. Tell them to stop and act like a mod who knows how to do his job.
And I should mention what I know more about than psychology, and neurology, and organic chemistry, is computer technology, hacking, and how to never get banned from a forum. So go ahead and push that button you bitch. Because if you think thats gonna get rid of me for good you're clearly mistaken.

Wonder how many tracks aren't in existence due to the time spent flaming, ranting and arguing on TA in the production studio about things irrelevant to music...

Any guesses?

I'm thinking in the realm of OVER 9000.

We need a new meme or something for this...

"Every time a Production Studio thread Derails, God aborts TA's next new hit single."

Now I'm done with this thread.

Wait...

Now.

No...not yet...

*Counterargument* NOW!

FUCK YOU!!!!! Ok now I'm done...

*locked*

what thread was that? need some read material for my sunday sleep :=)

The ban hammer is coming

Bro on a real tho psychology don't got shit to do with anything we talkin about here. Condoms evolution this that the neurons in the brains and the rest of the crap. Let me break it down to you. It is more simple that that. Analog is based on actual components that cost money. So if you go to a parts store and build the shit from scratch you need lettuce to buy them fuckin parts. caps resistors transistors transformers indusors casing powersupply knobs dispays all that shit. So you got 1000 units to build and need $300 in parts per unit you go to digikey and try to work a deal. Diginut at digikey ain't that some shit?
Then you got to pay them mother******s that is gonna build all that shit at the factory. They ain't gonna do it for free. So now lets say you want to build 1000 of them units. you need 300.000 in costs cost of labor cost of machines you in half a mil to make 1000 units.
You in the pro industry on some pro industry shit. Now if you can hire a few hungry programmers str8 out of motherfucking school pay them shit to toss some code together that is tweeked freeware stuff somebody designed as a hobby pay the peeps at the magazines to say it is very analog and pay this homie that homie to say they like to use it and name it after some vintage synthesizer everybody wants you wont make that much money but it wont cost you shit to make everything you make is money in your pocket. Them software peeps aint even making disks no more. Half the shit they are selling ain't even worth the disk its burned on. Psychology? Fuck is you talkin about?
Now there has been some software that despite all that through clever processing and programing is actually very useful. So alot of great stuff has been produced on software.
It is actually possible. So you can set up a midi rig with software that you find useful hardware and all that and make some music instead of wasting time on trance addict talking about what mad fag for brad brad thinks how djrann is not smart enough to understand that moog got payed to say that shit or what djrobby rox and the moderator that likes to post in a different fond then everybody else has to say on this very important issue. Real talk.

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Originally posted by Twilothunder23 Bro on a real tho psychology don't got shit to do with anything we talkin about here. Condoms evolution this that the neurons in the brains and the rest of the crap. Let me break it down to you. It is more simple that that. Analog is based on actual components that cost money. So if you go to a parts store and build the shit from scratch you need lettuce to buy them fuckin parts. caps resistors transistors transformers indusors casing powersupply knobs dispays all that shit. So you got 1000 units to build and need $300 in parts per unit you go to digikey and try to work a deal. Diginut at digikey ain't that some shit? Then you got to pay them mother******s that is gonna build all that shit at the factory. They ain't gonna do it for free. So now lets say you want to build 1000 of them units. you need 300.000 in costs cost of labor cost of machines you in half a mil to make 1000 units. You in the pro industry on some pro industry shit. Now if you can hire a few hungry programmers str8 out off motherfucking school pay them shit to toss some code together that is tweeked freeware stuff somebody designed as a hobby pay the peeps at the magazines to say it is very analog and pay this homie that homie to say they like to use it and name it after some vintage synthesizer everybody wants you wont make that much money but it wont cost you shit to make everything you make is money in your pocket. Them software peeps aint even making disks no more. Half the shit they are selling ain't even worth the disk its burned on. Psychology? Fuck is you talkin about? Now there has been some software that despite all that through clever processing and programing is actually very useful. So alot of great stuff has been produced on software. It is actually possible. So you can set up a midi rig with software that you find useful hardware and all that and make some music instead of wasting time on trance addict talking about what mad fag for brad brad thinks how djrann is not smart enough to understand that moog got payed to say that shit or what djrobby rox and the moderator that likes to post in a different fond then everybody else has to say on this very important issue. Real talk.

Aye..

I just think some guys posting here have severe personallity dissorders and have their ego's stand in their way.

On days, they can be decent, if lucky even additive. On worse days, just hide and stay away as it's troll fest galore, while rubbing their ePenis in order to ejaculate more crap into these topics.

On those days i just stay away and don't enter the cage.....

I already told you whats up tho so add this to the game:

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Originally posted by Twilothunder23 Bro on a real tho psychology don't got shit to do with anything we talkin about here. Condoms evolution this that the neurons in the brains and the rest of the crap. Let me break it down to you. It is more simple that that. Analog is based on actual components that cost money. So if you go to a parts store and build the shit from scratch you need lettuce to buy them fuckin parts. caps resistors transistors transformers indusors casing powersupply knobs dispays all that shit. So you got 1000 units to build and need $300 in parts per unit you go to digikey and try to work a deal. Diginut at digikey ain't that some shit? Then you got to pay them mother******s that is gonna build all that shit at the factory. They ain't gonna do it for free. So now lets say you want to build 1000 of them units. you need 300.000 in costs cost of labor cost of machines you in half a mil to make 1000 units. You in the pro industry on some pro industry shit. Now if you can hire a few hungry programmers str8 out of motherfucking school pay them shit to toss some code together that is tweeked freeware stuff somebody designed as a hobby pay the peeps at the magazines to say it is very analog and pay this homie that homie to say they like to use it and name it after some vintage synthesizer everybody wants you wont make that much money but it wont cost you shit to make everything you make is money in your pocket. Them software peeps aint even making disks no more. Half the shit they are selling ain't even worth the disk its burned on. Psychology? Fuck is you talkin about? Now there has been some software that despite all that through clever processing and programing is actually very useful. So alot of great stuff has been produced on software. It is actually possible. So you can set up a midi rig with software that you find useful hardware and all that and make some music instead of wasting time on trance addict talking about what mad fag for brad brad thinks how djrann is not smart enough to understand that moog got payed to say that shit or what djrobby rox and the moderator that likes to post in a different fond then everybody else has to say on this very important issue. Real talk.

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Originally posted by Eric J Bump that number up to $10,000 and its probably more accurate than not. Seen the guy on there who has a room with walls completely covered in a modular synthesizer? I have a hard time believing any of that is even plugged in. Half of it looks like it's 10 feet off the ground! You'd have to get on a ladder to tweak a knob!

Man I used to have a 10K studio. Only thing I miss is the Genelec 1031A's, nord lead 3, roland tb 303 and jomox x base. But check this out, I never even used the x base or tb 303 in a track. Fact is a nord lead 3 (I opened it up to clean it) was this tiny little circuit board. Basically it was just a controller. lol.

Can't you just wait for the next generation of digital recordings? Once bandwidth isn't a concern on the internet watch out. Could you imagine a 30 times the bandwidth as the conventional PCM recordings have? No need for a stupid mastering engineer would exist and mixing would be 10000000000 times less of a pina.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Shut the fuck up. You should know better than to talk to me like that.

...Did I really just read that?

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Originally posted by Twilothunder23 how djrann is not smart enough to understand that moog got payed to say that shit

Aside from all the other drivel you posted in your Diarrhea like stream of consciousness post, Bob wasn't paid to say it. Arturia just licencsed the minimoog name.

The Arturia Software came out out after the launch of his voyager, something which took him 20 years just to be able to do due to him losing the rights to moog, so it was not in his interest to endorse a product that cost a fraction of his hardware.

That's exactly why I asked him and why I was surprised with the frank answer.

Get your misguided shit straight before you assume things you nothing about.

The true test of a deadlocked debate is the width of its derails.

This thread sure hammers that point home doesnt it?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Aside from all the other drivel you posted in your Diarrhea like stream of consciousness post, Bob wasn't paid to say it. Arturia just licencsed the minimoog name. The Arturia Software came out out after the launch of his voyager, something which took him 20 years just to be able to do due to him losing the rights to moog, so it was not in his interest to endorse a product that cost a fraction of his hardware.

Man there are some thick thick people on TA.

Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and the Analog is: 42

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Originally posted by Twilothunder23 Man there are some thick thick people on TA.

You said it

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Originally posted by DJ RANN You said it

I said it? The arturia sofsynth was not competing with his 2.5-3k value analog component based synthesizer on any level you cretin.
So why not get the cheddar from the arturia peeps? Secondly I know u are too thick to understand this and shit but you know... this acts as free advertisment. yeah You think ssl peeps is tripping coz waves or propellerheads or Universal audio is emulating their stuff? No coz in situations when a real mixer is needed this stuff is not gonna cut the mustard homeboy. It just familiarizez the music peeps with their product. So they see it as free advertisment they don't got to pay for. Thirdly the real moog is on a whole other level.
If you REALLY think there is no difference between an actual minimoog and an arturia softsynth more power to you... each to their own and all that but all i can say is WOW!

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