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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I think this confusion is driven by the lack of appreciation for the nature of the the twin towers� design. Normal office building structure: [imghttp://www.debunking911.com/steelweb.jpg[/img] Twin towers design (note the supporting steel is almost completely on the exterior of the building): [imghttp://www.debunking911.com/perimeter.jpg[/img] shown here: [imghttp://www.debunking911.com/twins.jpg[/img] here is a single floor that shows the relatively small amount of support each floor had with the adjoining steel walls: [imghttp://www.debunking911.com/construction.jpg[/img] Can you imagine those floors giving way? I can. I am not sure the black boxes from the WTC were ever recovered. The black boxes from shankesville and the pentagon were released as far as I know. Pretty sure I�ve seen pictures of it so that�s released as far as I�m concerned. There were personal effects found after the recent shuttle explosion too. Small items can make it through explosions (check out the debris flying out of the towers after each plane hit). Did you mean �without any substantial bias�? Covers virtually all claims, you can click through it at your leisure. http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/

THAT'S WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WANTS YOU TO THINK

An intense close up where you can here the floors collapsing on top of each other. Very poor construction.

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Originally posted by jonSun An intense close up where you can here the floors collapsing on top of each other. Very poor construction.

holy shit... that video is insane...

Didn't read the whole thread but wanted to clear some things up.

1, The black boxes at the WTC were never found. Two firefighters came forward saying they found 3 out of 4 of them and turned them, and later said they were told to "keep quiet" by people they believed were FBI agents but their stories could never be corroborated and no FBI agents were ever identified.

The black box was recovered from flight 93 however.

2, The WTC collapsed exactly as you would expect given a jet fuel fire, a steel exoskeleton, concrete center design. I was discussing this with the owner of California's largest building contractor (who built most of downtown LA's skyscapers) and he said steel reinforced structures are strong but the moment that construction grade steel is exposed to temperatures in excess of 400 degrees they become incredibly weak and lose all material and structural strength. The weight of even one floor would be enough to crush the floor below with the temperatures that are recorded with jet fuel.

3, Not sure if it's been mentioned, and even though the truthers are a bunch of deluded twats, there are some every strange things that don't make sense. the first is a book in German that was a no1 best seller about anomalies in the way the terrorists had been flagged by the INS and Immigration at airports, but were somehow all allowed a "free pass" to waltz through (with exception of one out of 19). The book also details the way witness accounts and statements both of people who came in to contact with the terrorists, and how cleanup investigations were dealt with at ground zero directly following the attack; many, simply disappeared (although recorded as existing) some were never reported even though the subjects give detailed accounts of how and who they were interviewed by.

The book has never been published in any other language than German, and after the first edition, the publisher was convinced to recall pulp all unsold copies. No publisher, in any country, will touch the text and the author has literally disappeared from Germany.

Who knows what happened but it's fucking weird.

The final thing, all the conspiracy BS aside, I have no doubt in my mind that the last plane was shot down. There are several witness accounts, especially one from the owner of the land where the crash happened, where they state it was upside with smoke billowing from the underside just prior to impact. It is know that F16's were tracking it and it's target was white house. "Let's roll" while all very heroic and neat, is just consolation for families. In fairness, why not. I'd prefer to beleive that in their place.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN The final thing, all the conspiracy BS aside, I have no doubt in my mind that the last plane was shot down. There are several witness accounts, especially one from the owner of the land where the crash happened, where they state it was upside with smoke billowing from the underside just prior to impact. It is know that F16's were tracking it and it's target was white house. "Let's roll" while all very heroic and neat, is just consolation for families. In fairness, why not. I'd prefer to beleive that in their place.

You mean the F16�s that were unloaded?

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Late in the morning of the Tuesday that changed everything, Lt. Heather �Lucky� Penney was on a runway at Andrews Air Force Base and ready to fly. She had her hand on the throttle of an F-16 and she had her orders: Bring down United Airlines Flight 93. The day�s fourth hijacked airliner seemed to be hurtling toward Washington. Penney, one of the first two combat pilots in the air that morning, was told to stop it. The one thing she didn�t have as she roared into the crystalline sky was live ammunition. Or missiles. Or anything at all to throw at a hostile aircraft. Except her own plane. So that was the plan. Because the surprise attacks were unfolding, in that innocent age, faster than they could arm war planes, Penney and her commanding officer went up to fly their jets straight into a Boeing 757. �We wouldn�t be shooting it down. We�d be ramming the aircraft,� Penney recalls of her charge that day. �I would essentially be a kamikaze pilot.�

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...cODK_story.html

I see nothing unusual about a plane upside down as terrorist pilots attempt to maintain control of the mutinying passengers.

There is no evidence to support 93 being shot down.

On the subject of Michael Moores 9/11 fahrenheit, would you find it bull shit? The link of Saudi rich aristocrates to the US and especially the Bush administration.
The evacuation of Osamas family and such...

And the US showed the world that Osama himself proclaimed he orchestrated the attacks, but this video was low quality and Osama was chubby which didn't seem at all to be him.
Also, why didn't the fighter jets shoot down the planes? Could have saved many more lives.

Again PKC, i am using some biased documentary, but i also couldn't find specifics about these in the website.

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Originally posted by knowhope On the subject of Michael Moores 9/11 fahrenheit, would you find it bull shit? The link of Saudi rich aristocrates to the US and especially the Bush administration. The evacuation of Osamas family and such...

I haven�t seen the movie as I don�t rate Michael moore as a researcher. I do know that the bin ladens were in the US at the time of the attacks, and they left around the 20th September (who wouldn�t?) after being vetted by the FBI. Im not much of a �guilt by association� kinda guy, so the links between the Saudis and bush business dealings aren�t all that relevant to me. Im sure there are lots of businesses around the world that are related in some way.

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Originally posted by knowhope And the US showed the world that Osama himself proclaimed he orchestrated the attacks, but this video was low quality and Osama was chubby which didn't seem at all to be him.

Hehe, osama isn�t �chubby� in the video. That�s what you get when you transfer PAL to NTSC (or the other way around, I forget). If you watch the entire video, it is quite obviously osama and his cronies. He has also made numerous other admittances re 911.

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Originally posted by knowhope Also, why didn't the fighter jets shoot down the planes? Could have saved many more lives.

Because nobody knew where the planes were (or at least they didn�t know quickly enough), AND according to the above post I made, the jets weren�t even armed at the time. There is a huge amount of data regarding NORAD that you can dig into if you want, but the long and the short is nobody seemed to know where the planes were or where they were going.

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Originally posted by knowhope Again PKC, i am using some biased documentary, but i also couldn't find specifics about these in the website.

That�s cool, at least you know what you�re in for.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Didn't read the whole thread but wanted to clear some things up. ...anomalies in the way the terrorists had been flagged by the INS and Immigration at airports, but were somehow all allowed a "free pass" to waltz through (with exception of one out of 19).

That's 'cos prior to 9/11 you could walk through security in the US practically unnoticed / unchallenged whilst the fat slobs sat behind a computer screen chatting to their mates.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I haven�t seen the movie as I don�t rate Michael moore as a researcher.

I suggest you do. If you've watched Lose Change, you can easily stomach this. Since he's offered $10k if you can prove any of the facts in his film wrong, I think that's a pretty tall order. It does go off at tangents at times, but it is a very good documentary.

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Originally posted by Chimney Trance-MB is full of shit, as usual.

LOL, I didn't even claim anything, just think there are some unanswered questions and I'm obviously not the only one.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN danny jowenko was not a demolitions expert.

No, I guess he also didn't have a demolition company.
I can't judge him, but I guess he had more experience in demolition as anyone else here. But that also doesn't mean he could be wrong. Lot of experts don't agree with each other on many subjects.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ I suggest you do. If you've watched Lose Change, you can easily stomach this. Since he's offered $10k if you can prove any of the facts in his film wrong, I think that's a pretty tall order. It does go off at tangents at times, but it is a very good documentary.

nah, im well beyond the 'wanting to learn more' phase re 911.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB LOL, I didn't even claim anything, just think there are some unanswered questions and I'm obviously not the only one.

"Just Asking Questions" ie JAQing off.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB No, I guess he also didn't have a demolition company. I can't judge him, but I guess he had more experience in demolition as anyone else here. But that also doesn't mean he could be wrong. Lot of experts don't agree with each other on many subjects.

no experts disagree about anything of significance re 911.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no experts disagree about anything of significance re 911.

I think I don't understand what an expert is in your opinion.

There are so many fucking stupid kids I wish could be nine elevened right off the fucking great United States.

Flame away.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I think I don't understand what an expert is in your opinion.

Somebody who has expertise that is relevant to the collapses of the WTCs. Hint: jowenko is not an expert. Gage is not an expert. Jones is not an expert. Greening is not an expert. Harrit is not an expert.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Flame away.

Sorry, am at work and can�t watch that. Would you be so kind as to make a few points so that my flaming can be on topic?

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I think I don't understand what an expert is in your opinion.

I don't think you understand what an expert is, period.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Sorry, am at work and can�t watch that. Would you be so kind as to make a few points so that my flaming can be on topic?

It is a funny video. Just watch it when you get home. They do have some valid points.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer It is a funny video. Just watch it when you get home with some valid points.

Whatever you do, make sure you watch it with valid points.








There won't be much point to it, if you don't.

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Originally posted by srussell0018

lol...short haired white dude with head bowed down in shame.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer They do have some valid points.

didn't hear too many. certainly much of it was discredited nonsense.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I don't think you understand what an expert is, period.

You don't even know me well enough to judge that, but I bet you're an expert in judging people right?

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Originally posted by Trance-MB You don't even know me well enough to judge that

i think there's a reasonable amount of evidence to conclude you don't quite get where the actual experts sit re the 911...uh... "debate".

you also seem pretty lazy, repeating known falsehoods when by now you should have easily been able to find some factual information. i appreciate much of this would be in english, but you seem more than capable in that regard.

let 911 go. it's a waste of your time.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB You don't even know me well enough to judge that, but I bet you're an expert in judging people right?

I'm suspecting that you have very little insight as to why I think your understanding is so impaired.









How am I doing, so far?

I believe there is enough evidence at this point to suggest that disgruntled peons of the Australian Government were behind the attacks on 9/11.

Re: 10 Year Anniversary 9/11 Tribute Thread

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Originally posted by OrangestO

This is really a painful reminisced about.

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