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-- Marco V @ Viva 09.13.2002 Review
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Posted by sw0nald on Sep-19-2002 07:26:

The pictures are very nice.


Posted by tatgirl on Sep-19-2002 12:30:

I scanned those images- just need a place to host them. Anyone? I'll be at work all day, & meeting someone for dinner, so drop me a line/PM. I'll email them to you & someone can post them. -Nat


Posted by High Spirit on Sep-19-2002 14:16:

quote:
Originally posted by tatgirl
I scanned those images- just need a place to host them. Anyone? I'll be at work all day, & meeting someone for dinner, so drop me a line/PM. I'll email them to you & someone can post them. -Nat


Send 'em to me...


Posted by trancearmada on Sep-19-2002 19:20:

quote:
Originally posted by E*Master


hmm I get no credit for providing armada with the camera eh?


hmm that's fucking bullshit! you give no credit to E-Master??? huh?

I know you guys asked for permision but I did not give it to you to put it up on the website first of all, I don't mind but it's just out of the principal!

So you should provide E-Master with free passes! And how do we get them in the first place!


Posted by trancearmada on Sep-19-2002 19:21:

quote:
Originally posted by tatgirl
I scanned those images- just need a place to host them. Anyone? I'll be at work all day, & meeting someone for dinner, so drop me a line/PM. I'll email them to you & someone can post them. -Nat


I can host them and E-master can later put them on the torontotranceaddicts website.


Posted by Durafei on Sep-19-2002 20:20:

quote:
Originally posted by trancearmada


hmm that's fucking bullshit! you give no credit to E-Master??? huh?

I know you guys asked for permision but I did not give it to you to put it up on the website first of all, I don't mind but it's just out of the principal!

So you should provide E-Master with free passes! And how do we get them in the first place!



Trancearmada, what pissed you off today ???


Posted by LKD on Sep-20-2002 00:49:

Yo Trancenerd...i wanna see the wholoe set u took...are they up anywhere??


Posted by Flec on Sep-20-2002 01:13:

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hmm that's fucking bullshit! you give no credit to E-Master??? huh?

I know you guys asked for permision but I did not give it to you to put it up on the website first of all, I don't mind but it's just out of the principal!

So you should provide E-Master with free passes! And how do we get them in the first place!


ROFL, that was uncalled for imo


Posted by Endlesswave on Sep-20-2002 07:25:

I agree.


Posted by trancearmada on Sep-20-2002 14:17:

well boys and girls just so you know the truth this is what happened!

Itikia wrote to me about how he wants to use the pics from Marco V on the VIVA site. I said alright but I have to talk to E-Master first since it was his camera and all.

Itikia put up the pics anyways. I don't mind personally but out of the prinicipal they should not have put them up. Now itikia tells me "oh, I assumed it was alright to do it since TranceNerd agreed to give us the pics". Well if you are a respectable and a serious business you don't do shit like that! You can go around assuming everything is ok to do!

Itikia asked me "well did you get the permision to take pic of Marco", and "did you get the permision from VIVA" in the reply to me asking him for some credits on the webiste. After a short conversation with Itikia he did not want to give us credit on the website which I think is BS. And now he is gonna try to make me look like the BAD GUY. Because like he said in his words "we are trance loving community". Well we maybe are but not you as an employee of a night club! And he promised free tickets for us giving them pics. Yeah right hmmmmmmm......... where did I hear a promise of free tickets before? SONIC STATE! right!

All in all me and E-Master got fucked cause Itikia is too cheap of an ass to give us credit on the website! In his own words "ARE YOU SERIOUS! DO YOU WANT ME TO BEND OVER FOR YOU FOR THE PICS"!!!!

Well no! NO! But some credit would be nice! He was being a complete ass! So I told him to shove the tickets! BEWARE DON'T PUT UP ANYMORE PICS IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE LIKE VIVA AND ITIKIA TO FUCK U!

OH and I am sure this will get edited and I will get booted off the forums! Why you may ask cause Swamper is in on it too! Well not really but he is involved with VIVA so they will likely ask him to take this down so that none of you can learn the truth and they can fuck more people like me and E-Master!!!

SO BASICALY! WE ARE FUCKED! YEAH I AM SURE THEY ARE NOT EVEN GONNA BOTHER TAKING DOWN THE PICS NOW! WHY CAUSE THEY'LL SAY "WELL WE DID NOT GIVE YOU PERMISION TO TAKE THE PICS IN THE FIRST PLACE"! SO A TRANCE LOVING COMUNITY EHH? FUCK THAT SHIT! THEY ARE A CORPORATE BUSINESS IS WHAT THEY ARE!

And on the side note:
Swamper don't think I forgot that whole deal with the name use! This is why I am making such a big deal out of this!

I am sure you are all gonna side with Itikia. Why? Cause he will make up some lame ass excuse. And I bet I'll be banned from VIVA now!


till we meet again..........


Posted by Swamper on Sep-20-2002 15:04:

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OH and I am sure this will get edited and I will get booted off the forums! Why you may ask cause Swamper is in on it too! Well not really but he is involved with VIVA so they will likely ask him to take this down so that none of you can learn the truth and they can fuck more people like me and E-Master!!!


Man oh man.. You surely know how to insult a whole bunch of people all at once.

For starters I don't go around deleting posts because I don't agree with them, so that comment was unwarranted. Further, Itikia need not make up any excuse because I saw the dialogue between you two firsthand.

How exactly were you "fucked" ? A club you frequented brought in a DJ you wanted to see and used your picture -- your 3 pictures were prefaced with "TA-" in front of them so we could know which pictures were yours - I then PMed you asking how you wanted to be credited, with TranceArmada or your real name - to which you told me there was no permission to have those up so I removed them today.

Comparing things to Sonic State isn't the right thing to do either, if passes to the next event were promised then they will be delivered, you have my word - the Sonic State fiasco had nothing to do with me, so I couldn't give any guarantee like the above on that.

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SO A TRANCE LOVING COMUNITY EHH? FUCK THAT SHIT! THEY ARE A CORPORATE BUSINESS IS WHAT THEY ARE!


A "Corporate business" would not take into account the comfort factor of the partiers and deny people at the door and lower the revenue they take in for the night - think before you speak.

You know, I was in one of those pics too - you never asked my permission prior to posting it on the web. Do I care? No - I don't freak out over petty things such as that.

Time and time again you seem to lash out at the world as if it's a big conspiracy against you. It's not, relax.

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Swamper don't think I forgot that whole deal with the name use! This is why I am making such a big deal out of this!


If I choose to not give you permission to use 'TranceAddict.com' beside your DJ name on flyers then that is entirely up to me. I see no connection in bringing up this issue in relation to your 3 pictures being posted.


Posted by E*Master on Sep-20-2002 15:30:

I won't throw any profanities around nor point fingers but I will say this. I was not asked if they c an post the pics WHICH were stored on my personal Webspace on Sympatico. No one told me they were going to use the pictures FROM MY SERVER. I get no credit, no thank you, nothing. A thank you would be all I asked for actually and some form of properly asking me for them. I don't want to sound liek a whiner. but Iw ill be more careful how and where I post my pics even if it takes longer to put them up. I have OFFICIALLY removed all the pcitures from my server and wil be psoting them elsewhere where they are Protected. can I be contacted next tiemsoenthing like this happens with pics that are on my memory card and cam plz?


Posted by Durafei on Sep-20-2002 15:40:

I just don't understand why you guys are making such a HUGE deal of out 3 freaking pictures

If anything, I'd be proud of my "photography" skills if a business venture decided to use my pictures!

Take it easy. What are you guys losing by them posting your pictures? Absolutely nothing. It's not like you were gonna sell those pics or anything.


Posted by E*Master on Sep-20-2002 15:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Durafei
I just don't understand why you guys are making such a HUGE deal of out 3 freaking pictures

If anything, I'd be proud of my "photography" skills if a business venture decided to use my pictures!

Take it easy. What are you guys losing by them posting your pictures? Absolutely nothing. It's not like you were gonna sell those pics or anything.


I would not be if I would have been credited.


Posted by Durafei on Sep-20-2002 15:51:

C'mon guys.. Viva credited whoever took the pictures right here in these forums, which they link to from their website.

You guys get offended so much because of not receiving a credit for 3 stupid pictures, and yet download MP3s(thus essentially rip off producers).


Posted by E*Master on Sep-20-2002 15:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Durafei
C'mon guys.. Viva credited whoever took the pictures right here in these forums, which they link to from their website.

You guys get offended so much because of not receiving a credit for 3 stupid pictures, and yet download MP3s(thus essentially rip off producers).


Dude it is beyond that. Let's say you took pictures of something reall wel! or even better made the coolest flash intro ever. but someone decides to take it and not ask you and psots it on their site and your name is not beside it. at least my name was not there. but the pics are off the site now so WI ll stop witht his crap.


Posted by Richard Taylor on Sep-20-2002 18:13:

Smoking ..umm..something

Whadup TA posse,

I finally got around to posting a message, so now all you TAs who rag on me for only looking can be happy. Huge word ups to tatgirl, time2burn, El Kay Dee, and all the others who encouraged me to get involved. Every single TA i have met has been so friendly and happy to talk. You guys rock.

Anyway.....Marco V was probably one of my most anticipated DJs to see, and he didn't dissapoint. The club was fuckin bouncing to wicked beats, and also lots of friendly faces. Viva is my new favorite club....big club feel, yet comfortable and friendly. The regulars there really were happpy to have some new faces, and hopefully, we can get more of our peeps there next time...Wow, Mark Oliver for friday night resident....Viva's going to take over the Toronto trance seen for sure.

Big shout to itikia for bringing in such wicked talent....all it takes is a dedicated TA to throw a quality party.

Now I just need someone to help me make my profile cool...


Posted by Flec on Sep-20-2002 18:21:

you do know there is a sever initiation for new members, we dump you in a tank of liquid cheese and you must eat your way out.


j/k , welcome


Posted by sw0nald on Sep-20-2002 20:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Flec
fine you know what, next time I will bring a fucking camera and take the pictures, because the pictures are just for fun and for a good memory, i dont give a shit who posts them up.

so emaster, dont bring your amazing digital camera or whatever next time, leave it at home ( if you guys are coming to viva again that is) let me or another TA to all the picture taking , and then we will give viva the pictures and they can decide to use them as they wish


its not a big fucking deal, get over it and stop whining



shane u dont have a digita camera :P


quote:
Originally posted by Flec you do know there is a sever initiation for new members, we dump you in a tank of liquid cheese and you must eat your way out.



mmmm cheese, can i go in 1st?


Posted by trancearmada on Sep-20-2002 20:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Swamper
For starters I don't go around deleting posts because I don't agree with them, so that comment was unwarranted. Further, Itikia need not make up any excuse because I saw the dialogue between you two firsthand.


Well like I have said earlier it would not have been such a big deal to me if only the pics were my property! Which they are not in the first place. I admit I took them, but the camera was provided by E-Master and no one dropped even a single word to him that his pics were going to be used.

quote:

How exactly were you "fucked" ? A club you frequented brought in a DJ you wanted to see and used your picture -- your 3 pictures were prefaced with "TA-" in front of them so we could know which pictures were yours - I then PMed you asking how you wanted to be credited, with TranceArmada or your real name - to which you told me there was no permission to have those up so I removed them today.


Because when I spoke to Itikia he started giving me attitued! Why? Cause I gave him attitude for putting up pictures that were not solely my property! To which I have a perfectly good reason to. He pretty much told me to fuck off. And sort of told me that he would toss me a pair of tickets. It's like a fucking insult to me! He asked me if I was kidding when I asked him to put our names beside the pics.

quote:

A club you frequented

hmm I think not! That was my first and hopefully my last time there!

quote:

and used your picture

well actually the main pic that was on there used to lead to the main directory of pics, that was taken by me as well! (although it is removed now, thank God for that)

I also felt insulted because each picture had a VIVA NIGHT CLUB property stamp on it and there was not credit to anyone else!

And as soon as you removed my pics you. You put up the credits for TranceNerd's pictures! So why the hell couldn't Itikia do that for me! Explain that one to me? And all of this could have been settled in a matter of seconds! Could this not have been prevented? Yes it could have!

"TA" beside the pic? Well I understood from your email that you want my name for the credits. But from my understanding of what Itikia told me was that he was not going to do that. And that's why I got pissed. Secondly WTF is TA? (ta=tranceaddict, ta=trancearmada, you see the corelation? how the fuck anyone would know I took them by using my initials? and not even real intitials but rather the initials to for my nickname!) Well next time you put up a pic you took yourself, a picture that you really love and admire put an "S" beside it! How bout that! Would anyone know who took it??? NO!

quote:

Comparing things to Sonic State isn't the right thing to do either, if passes to the next event were promised then they will be delivered, you have my word - the Sonic State fiasco had nothing to do with me, so I couldn't give any guarantee like the above on that.


I am not persay comparing VIVA to Sonic State, but rather the fact that promise of tickets sounded like an insult coming from Itikia (for a bunch of reasons), rather than a reward for taking nice pics and allowing you or whomever to put them on the VIVA website. And I don't believe in promises that promoting organizations ever make cause most of them are BS excuses.

quote:

A "Corporate business" would not take into account the comfort factor of the partiers and deny people at the door and lower the revenue they take in for the night - think before you speak.


Hmm, comfort factor? Why were there water driping from the celling and almost no ventilation? Comfort factor ehh? And what $25 is not enough? GUV charged $10 for Corsten and AVB and still made a lot of money so please don't give me this BS about how they had to take a hit on the revenue! It's BS and you know it!

And what about all those people that were told that they can leave and still comeback without having to pay? For example I know "StereoPrincess's" boyfriend had to pay $25 to come back into the club! Why don't you refund him the money than? COMFORT LEVEL MY ASS!

Oh and I would even have a better comfort level if they charged less!

quote:

You know, I was in one of those pics too - you never asked my permission prior to posting it on the web. Do I care?


Done I just cut you out of my pics! Apology if I did not ask your permision!

quote:

No - I don't freak out over petty things such as that.


As I have mentioned about a thousand times now! Those pics did not solely belong to me. It is all out of a principal my dear! And if its a serious business that it should be ran like one, and things are not done based on the assumptions!

quote:

Time and time again you seem to lash out at the world as if it's a big conspiracy against you. It's not, relax.


Time and time again? Well even if I do what is it to you? And I will relax when I feel like it!
Does this forum run by a socialist government? I though not! FREDOM OF SPEECH is all I have to say to that!

quote:

If I choose to not give you permission to use 'TranceAddict.com' beside your DJ name on flyers then that is entirely up to me. I see no connection in bringing up this issue in relation to your 3 pictures being posted.


Well if I choose not to give out permision to use my and E-Masters pictures for use on ViVa website that is entirely up to me and E-Master! Connection? To me there seems to be a lot of connection. So why you don't get it is not my problem but rather something you have to figure out on your own! When you figure it out, you'll understand why I am making such a big deal out of it!

BTW thanx for removing the pics!

It's over......so why don't you..... JUST CHILL DUDE!!!


Posted by trancearmada on Sep-20-2002 21:28:

oh and BTW if you really badly want to give away those tickets give them to "E-Master" that's the person that really deserves them!


Posted by Swamper on Sep-20-2002 22:18:

quote:
Originally posted by trancearmada
And as soon as you removed my pics you. You put up the credits for TranceNerd's pictures! So why the hell couldn't Itikia do that for me! Explain that one to me? And all of this could have been settled in a matter of seconds! Could this not have been prevented? Yes it could have!


Apparently you choose to ignore previous commentary in an effort to twist the truth. Your pics were prefaced with TA- and his pics were prefaced with TN- so that once you guys replied to your PMs they could be changed to what you wanted there - TranceNerd can verify this, and the same PM was sent to you. He wanted his name, so his name was put up there.

quote:

Secondly WTF is TA? (ta=tranceaddict, ta=trancearmada, you see the corelation? how the fuck anyone would know I took them by using my initials? and not even real intitials but rather the initials to for my nickname!) Well next time you put up a pic you took yourself, a picture that you really love and admire put an "S" beside it! How bout that! Would anyone know who took it??? NO!


There you go freaking out again, read what I wrote above.

quote:

Hmm, comfort factor? Why were there water driping from the celling and almost no ventilation? Comfort factor ehh? And what $25 is not enough? GUV charged $10 for Corsten and AVB and still made a lot of money so please don't give me this BS about how they had to take a hit on the revenue! It's BS and you know it!


It's not BS, if they were so adamant on generating more revenue they would've let those people in regardless.

quote:

And what about all those people that were told that they can leave and still comeback without having to pay? For example I know "StereoPrincess's" boyfriend had to pay $25 to come back into the club! Why don't you refund him the money than? COMFORT LEVEL MY ASS!


You're talking to me as if it is my club, it is not - I admit that situation does suck and I'll see what I can find out about it.

quote:

As I have mentioned about a thousand times now! Those pics did not solely belong to me. It is all out of a principal my dear!


Why do you write in a patronizing tone? What's your problem? I answer your posts with respect and all you do is swear and rant as if a massive injustice has been committed.

quote:

Does this forum run by a socialist government? I though not! FREDOM OF SPEECH is all I have to say to that!


Uhm, in my previous post further up I stated I wasn't about to edit your post or "remove" you from the forums as you so eloquently assumed. Freedom of speech is here, so why the need for your comment above?

quote:

It's over......so why don't you..... JUST CHILL DUDE!!!


I am chilled, it's your reponses that are inflammatory and lashing out - can you not post a calm, rational message?

I can.

Edit:

quote:
He pretty much told me to fuck off. And sort of told me that he would toss me a pair of tickets. It's like a fucking insult to me!


I read the PM he sent you and the one you sent him back - he offered you those tickets prior to the pictures being up if you let Viva put those pics up. He did not use derogatory language or treat you with disprect. In hindsight the 3 pictures should not have gone up without further clarification, but it's not as if the pics stayed up once things were straightened out.


Posted by LKD on Sep-20-2002 22:46:

quote:
Originally posted by sober_24_7

I finally got around to posting a message, so now all you TAs who rag on me for only looking can be happy. Huge word ups to tatgirl, time2burn, El Kay Dee, and all the others who encouraged me to get involved. Every single TA i have met has been so friendly and happy to talk. You guys rock.



hey hey hey compadre..welcome aboard.....heres where the party gets started.....




question is..does it end?????


Posted by LKD on Sep-20-2002 22:49:

As for Swamper, Ithikia, Trancearmada and E Master.....



chillaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

have a beer..

from what i derived... thers just major misunderstanding of actions taking place on both ends...thats y i always say...EYC


E fuckin Y fuckin C...lol


Posted by trancearmada on Sep-20-2002 23:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Swamper
Apparently you choose to ignore previous commentary in an effort to twist the truth. Your pics were prefaced with TA- and his pics were prefaced with TN- so that once you guys replied to your PMs they could be changed to what you wanted there - TranceNerd can verify this, and the same PM was sent to you. He wanted his name, so his name was put up there.


here we go again! I know I mentioned above as you may have read that you did in fact send me a PM, but I am telling you about the converation I had with Itikia on the MSN! Oh I guess you don't have access to be able to read my MSN msg's than! So don't comment if you don't know the whole story.

quote:

There you go freaking out again, read what I wrote above.


yeah and I will go as long as I need to prove to you that it is a big deal to me.

quote:

It's not BS, if they were so adamant on generating more revenue they would've let those people in regardless.


so why are you all up in arms defending VIVA than? Are they paying you or are you just affraid that since you have TrancEaddict.com on associated with VIVA it's good to defend them?

quote:

You're talking to me as if it is my club, it is not - I admit that situation does suck and I'll see what I can find out about it.


well from the way you are defending it seems like you have some sort of an interest in this venue.

quote:

Why do you write in a patronizing tone? What's your problem? I answer your posts with respect and all you do is swear and rant as if a massive injustice has been committed.


cause you constantly tell me to chill! I mean WTF! Wouldn't you be bitchy too if someone constantly told you to chill! I hate when people do that!
I am just pissed of the way this whole thing went abouts!

once again were you present when I was having the conversation with Itikia on MSN? so you don't know all the facts about this conversation!

quote:

Uhm, in my previous post further up I stated I wasn't about to edit your post or "remove" you from the forums as you so eloquently assumed. Freedom of speech is here, so why the need for your comment above?


well cause it seems you only want to stand up for Itikia, when you only know half the story! And you are all up in arms against me!

quote:

I am chilled, it's your reponses that are inflammatory and lashing out - can you not post a calm, rational message?

I can.


well dude congrats! I am happy for you! But I am the way I am! All the comments I have made were rational! Where as you on the other side go ASSUMING again! Where you don't know half of the story!!!

quote:

I read the PM he sent you and the one you sent him back - he offered you those tickets prior to the pictures being up if you let Viva put those pics up. He did not use derogatory language or treat you with disprect. In hindsight the 3 pictures should not have gone up without further clarification, but it's not as if the pics stayed up once things were straightened out.


Once again you weren't there to see us chat on MSN have you? I thought not!


DUDE! Whatever! NOW I am done replying to this! Thank you for taking off the pics that's all I want!

Now leave me alone!


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