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Posted by Dmatrox on Aug-17-2003 16:25:

Who gives a shit. Its all the same shit most of the time.


Posted by melech_mike on Aug-22-2003 22:18:

THE HUMAN FALLOUT


On Tuesday evening a Palestinian suicide terrorist struck a packed Jerusalem bus, killing twenty and injuring more than one hundred. One aspect of this attack made it uniquely barbaric � the bus was filled with young children on summer vacation, on their way home from worshiping with their families at the Western Wall. With at least seven children dead and more than forty still wounded, this one has become known in Israel, with a heavy heart, as "The Children's Attack."

Yet many news outlets chose to focus their main reports on the diplomatic implications of Tuesday's attack. Reuters, for example, headlined a story "Bus Blast in Israel Deals Deadly Blow to Truce."

While the political fallout of the bombing is significant, "the story" of a terror attack � especially one targeting children � is far more than diplomatic. With scores of parents still nursing or mourning their children, and children mourning their parents, some reporters submitted human interest stories on the human fallout of this particularly heinous attack:

-- James Bennet of The New York Times wrote a poignant article describing the funeral of a baby, and doctors' noble efforts to treat child terror victims.

-- Associated Press addressed the excruciating difficulties of reuniting families victimized by the blast.

-- The Washington Post ran a touching profile of the child victims of the attack, entitled "Special Sorrow for the Young."

This is a human interest story about Israeli victims that demands broad coverage. Did your local paper print such a story?

HonestReporting encourages subscribers to call the editors of your local paper right now, and urge them to run a follow-up, human interest account of Tuesday's barbaric murder of Jerusalem children and families. Five Americans were also killed in the attack � a further reason for local human interest in the U.S. (Your local paper can run one of the aforementioned articles, which are easily available for reprint.)

A full listing of U.S. newspapers is available online.

--- REUTERS' "HUMAN" INTEREST ---

Reuters also released a sympathetic, human interest profile � on the life of the terrorist bomber. Reuters encourages readers to rationalize his monstrous act, describing how the "academic cleric...was embittered by ill treatment" in an Israeli jail, and "infuriated by Israel's killing this month of a distant relative." Further, Reuters confers a modicum of credibility to his mass murder by blandly grouping him among "militants waging a 34-month-old uprising for independence."

On the Israeli side, Reuters did release an article on the religious community hit hardest by the blast. The article, however, was largely a cold, sociological overview that referred to the people as "menfolk" who don "heavy dark frocks and headgear."

Apparently, this is the best Reuters can muster to humanize Israeli terror victims.

Comments to: [email protected]


Posted by Izzy on Aug-22-2003 23:55:

this is something that got me today...
why do all the major tv channels show the funerals and parades mourning the deaths of palestinian terrorist orginization memebers, but rarely if ever show israel funerals. not that i care, but just noticed that today.


Posted by melech_mike on Aug-23-2003 00:05:

Neo-anti-Semitism


Posted by Cyrus King on Aug-23-2003 01:57:

quote:
Originally posted by melech_mike
Neo-anti-Semitism


For fucks sake.. shut up with that word...

Just becuase news broadcasts dont show funerals of the Israeli victims it makes them Anti-semetic?!?!!?!

HHHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA....go and weep little one.

P.S Can you post the links of these biast articles you claim are "honest"?


Posted by Cyrus King on Aug-23-2003 02:00:

IOF Shoot Dead Two Teenage Brothers, Raid Palestinian Cities

Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 07:35 PM GMT

"Israeli sources confirmed a Palestinian was killed and said they had temporarily taken the body for 'identification purposes' .."

RAMALLAH, West Bank - Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) shot dead two Palestinian brothers, both in their mid teens, after raiding Tulkarem refugee camp in the northern West Bank on Wednesday when after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ordered a series of attacks against Palestinian targets, while Isareli police allowed non-Muslims into al-Aqsa compound and attacked Palestinian detainees in Megiddo prison wounding dozens of them.

In the northern West Bank, witnesses said Islam Ghanem, 16, was shot dead and his body was taken by the IOF raiding Tulkarem refugee camp.

Israeli sources confirmed a Palestinian was killed and said they had temporarily taken the body for �identification purposes.�

Shortly afterwards, medical sources said Ghanem�s younger brother, Sa�ed, 15, who had been critically injured by a bullet to the chest during the raid, had died of his wounds in Tulkarem hospital.

Three other Palestinians were also injured by IOF soldiers during the raid.

Palestinian security sources said that a special undercover unit of IOF soldiers dressed as civilians pushed into the town and began firing inside the camp.

IOF troops also detained four people, witnesses said.

Meanwhile, some 15 Israeli tanks were seen moving out of an IOF base just north of Ramallah and heading along a major road towards the West Bank city, Palestinian security sources told AFP.

Five of the tanks, accompanied by a similar number of jeeps, stationed themselves at the main entrance to the neighboring town of El Bireh, while the remaining tanks stopped just short of Ramallah, an AFP correspondent said.

An Israeli helicopter was also seen over-flying both cities.

Earlier, Israeli occupation troops sealed off all the entrances to Ramallah, which is home to the West Bank headquarters of Palestinian President Yasser Arafat and the governbment of Prime Minister Mahmud Abbas.

IOF troops and tanks also raided the West Bank towns of Nablus and Jenin early Thursday, Palestinian officials said.

Some 20 tanks, personnel carriers and other vehicles raided Jenin.

IOF also imposed a curfew in central Nablus after more than 30 vehicles � mostly trucks and a few tanks � entered the city.

IOF detained ten Palestinians in Arraba town and Jalboun village in the northern West Bank governorate of Jenin, Palestinian security sources said.

Israeli bulldozers also demolished the house of Fakhri Yehya, in Kfur Ra'ei village, near Tulkarem, witnesses said.

Earlier, IOF demolished two houses owned by Jalajel family in the occupied east Jerusalem neighborhood of Silwan, south Al Aqsa Mosque compound, WAFA reported

Meanwhile, IOF sealed off and imposed strict curfew on the southern West Bank city of Hebron for the second consecutive day, citizens said.

Israel Allows Non-Muslims to Enter al-Aqsa Despite Palestinian Rejection

Separately, the Israeli police have reopened Al-Aqsa mosque, Islam�s third holiest site, to Jews and Christians on Wednesday, despite Palestinian rejection and warning that the move could flare the violence.

A group of American tourists already visited Al-Aqsa Mosque - in occupied east Jerusalem Wednesday morning, under intense police security, according to Israeli media.

Israel�s Internal Security Minister, Tzachi HaNegbi said Wednesday morning, following the site�s re-opening that �From now on, we won't allow Palestinians to prohibit non-Muslims from visiting the site, which is holy to all religions.�

According to Levy, �After the Temple Mount had been opened to visitors for a few months, the police suspended the entrance of Jewish and Christian visitors to the Mount for operational reasons for a period of three weeks,� and added, �The suspension and re-opening came after the issues had been examined.�

Last week, the Mufti of Jerusalem and Palestine, Sheikh Ekrema Sabri, has criticized the Israeli government for its practices against Al-Aqsa Mosque.

Sheikh Sabri affirmed that the Islamic Awkaf department was the sole party responsible for holy shrines in occupied Jerusalem, especially Al Aqsa Mosque and was the only authority to allow or ban the entry of non-Muslims.

�The resumption of foreigners� visits to the al-Aqsa Mosque�s plazas would be declared whenever the Wakf found it appropriate,� he elaborated.

Dozens of Detainees Attacked, Wounded by IOF

Separately, dozens of Palestinians detainees, held in Megiddo prison, were wounded after IOF soldiers opened fire at them after they protested against the transfer of some prisoners to Kziot prison in southern Israel,

Kziot has a reputation among Palestinian prisoners for poorer conditions than Megiddo.

�'This is a political riot, a protest. The administration of the prison wanted to punish us so they decided to transfer 220 prisoners who are serving life sentences to Kziot. We refused that,� a prisoner spokesman who identified himself as Yassin Yassin told Reuters by mobile phone from inside.

�'The soldiers used tear gas and rubber bullets and there are tents ablaze,� he said.

Israel has jailed about 8,000 Palestinians since the outbreak of the 34-month-old uprising against the Israeli 36-year old occupation, many held without charges.


Posted by melech_mike on Aug-23-2003 03:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
IOF Shoot Dead Two Teenage Brothers, Raid Palestinian Cities

Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 07:35 PM GMT

"Israeli sources confirmed a Palestinian was killed and said they had temporarily taken the body for 'identification purposes' .."

RAMALLAH, West Bank - Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) shot dead two Palestinian brothers, both in their mid teens, after raiding Tulkarem refugee camp in the northern West Bank on Wednesday when after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ordered a series of attacks against Palestinian targets, while Isareli police allowed non-Muslims into al-Aqsa compound and attacked Palestinian detainees in Megiddo prison wounding dozens of them.

In the northern West Bank, witnesses said Islam Ghanem, 16, was shot dead and his body was taken by the IOF raiding Tulkarem refugee camp.

Israeli sources confirmed a Palestinian was killed and said they had temporarily taken the body for �identification purposes.�

Shortly afterwards, medical sources said Ghanem�s younger brother, Sa�ed, 15, who had been critically injured by a bullet to the chest during the raid, had died of his wounds in Tulkarem hospital.

Three other Palestinians were also injured by IOF soldiers during the raid.

Palestinian security sources said that a special undercover unit of IOF soldiers dressed as civilians pushed into the town and began firing inside the camp.

IOF troops also detained four people, witnesses said.

Meanwhile, some 15 Israeli tanks were seen moving out of an IOF base just north of Ramallah and heading along a major road towards the West Bank city, Palestinian security sources told AFP.

Five of the tanks, accompanied by a similar number of jeeps, stationed themselves at the main entrance to the neighboring town of El Bireh, while the remaining tanks stopped just short of Ramallah, an AFP correspondent said.

An Israeli helicopter was also seen over-flying both cities.

Earlier, Israeli occupation troops sealed off all the entrances to Ramallah, which is home to the West Bank headquarters of Palestinian President Yasser Arafat and the governbment of Prime Minister Mahmud Abbas.

IOF troops and tanks also raided the West Bank towns of Nablus and Jenin early Thursday, Palestinian officials said.

Some 20 tanks, personnel carriers and other vehicles raided Jenin.

IOF also imposed a curfew in central Nablus after more than 30 vehicles � mostly trucks and a few tanks � entered the city.

IOF detained ten Palestinians in Arraba town and Jalboun village in the northern West Bank governorate of Jenin, Palestinian security sources said.

Israeli bulldozers also demolished the house of Fakhri Yehya, in Kfur Ra'ei village, near Tulkarem, witnesses said.

Earlier, IOF demolished two houses owned by Jalajel family in the occupied east Jerusalem neighborhood of Silwan, south Al Aqsa Mosque compound, WAFA reported

Meanwhile, IOF sealed off and imposed strict curfew on the southern West Bank city of Hebron for the second consecutive day, citizens said.

Israel Allows Non-Muslims to Enter al-Aqsa Despite Palestinian Rejection

Separately, the Israeli police have reopened Al-Aqsa mosque, Islam�s third holiest site, to Jews and Christians on Wednesday, despite Palestinian rejection and warning that the move could flare the violence.

A group of American tourists already visited Al-Aqsa Mosque - in occupied east Jerusalem Wednesday morning, under intense police security, according to Israeli media.

Israel�s Internal Security Minister, Tzachi HaNegbi said Wednesday morning, following the site�s re-opening that �From now on, we won't allow Palestinians to prohibit non-Muslims from visiting the site, which is holy to all religions.�

According to Levy, �After the Temple Mount had been opened to visitors for a few months, the police suspended the entrance of Jewish and Christian visitors to the Mount for operational reasons for a period of three weeks,� and added, �The suspension and re-opening came after the issues had been examined.�

Last week, the Mufti of Jerusalem and Palestine, Sheikh Ekrema Sabri, has criticized the Israeli government for its practices against Al-Aqsa Mosque.

Sheikh Sabri affirmed that the Islamic Awkaf department was the sole party responsible for holy shrines in occupied Jerusalem, especially Al Aqsa Mosque and was the only authority to allow or ban the entry of non-Muslims.

�The resumption of foreigners� visits to the al-Aqsa Mosque�s plazas would be declared whenever the Wakf found it appropriate,� he elaborated.

Dozens of Detainees Attacked, Wounded by IOF

Separately, dozens of Palestinians detainees, held in Megiddo prison, were wounded after IOF soldiers opened fire at them after they protested against the transfer of some prisoners to Kziot prison in southern Israel,

Kziot has a reputation among Palestinian prisoners for poorer conditions than Megiddo.

�'This is a political riot, a protest. The administration of the prison wanted to punish us so they decided to transfer 220 prisoners who are serving life sentences to Kziot. We refused that,� a prisoner spokesman who identified himself as Yassin Yassin told Reuters by mobile phone from inside.

�'The soldiers used tear gas and rubber bullets and there are tents ablaze,� he said.

Israel has jailed about 8,000 Palestinians since the outbreak of the 34-month-old uprising against the Israeli 36-year old occupation, many held without charges.


Whats your bi-assed sources link? Electronic intifada? HA!

All the posts here from me are on behalf of honestreporting.com
You could check out their credentials yourself.


Posted by DR86 on Aug-23-2003 04:36:

hehehe....Honest Reporting is based about 40 minutes away from where I live in New Jersey.


Posted by Cyrus King on Aug-23-2003 05:07:

quote:
Originally posted by melech_mike
Whats your bi-assed sources link? Electronic intifada? HA!

All the posts here from me are on behalf of honestreporting.com
You could check out their credentials yourself.


this very site made me laugh...this is their platform as posted on their main page!

quote:
HonestReporting was started at the initiative of the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah, and is now an independent non-profit organization (501c3) with its own board of directors.


and....

quote:

HonestReporting is a fast-action website dedicated to ensuring that Israel receives fair media coverage. We scrutinize the worldwide media for anti-Israel bias, then alert and enable subscribers to respond directly to the news agency concerned. HonestReporting has over 55,000 subscribers worldwide, and is growing daily.


This enough has made me denounce their 'credentials'. Their very cause is to make israel look innocent. Remember... "honestreporting.com" is a registered domain name....dont take it for its literal meaning.

Thanks for making me laugh though


Posted by melech_mike on Aug-23-2003 16:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
this very site made me laugh...this is their platform as posted on their main page!
and....
This enough has made me denounce their 'credentials'. Their very cause is to make israel look innocent. Remember... "honestreporting.com" is a registered domain name....dont take it for its literal meaning.

Thanks for making me laugh though


You obviously misunderstood their objective. It's not to make Israel innocent; it's to give full and equal coverage to Israel in a time when many media outlets purposely choose to smear the story full of anti-Israel bias.

If you read their reviews, you'll find that their not aimed at making Israel look better, but aimed at correcting misleading headlines, and news items.

With so much hate for Israel and the Jewish people existing today in a world that has experienced the holocaust just 60-odd years ago, I feel that it is essential that an organization like this has pledged its efforts to battling media bias throughout the world�s news outlets. Thousands and thousands of outlets get their news from Reuters, Associated Press, and others who on many, many occasions have submitted retractions, corrections, and apologies to the open public due to the diligent work of honest reporting members who catch these blatant lies as they come off the press.

If you truly believe in a fair, equal, and democratic world for everyone to live peacefully and equally in, then I see no reason whatsoever not to be in support of a website such as this one.
Their critiques will show you that they are not fighting a war of words against the Arabs, but a war of mis/disinformation with the mainstream media.

The news should be the plain simple facts. Not fictitious bullshit trying to villainies Israel, and victimize the Arab-Palestinians.


Posted by DR86 on Aug-23-2003 16:32:

quote:
Originally posted by melech_mike
disinformation


is this even a word?


Posted by Cyrus King on Aug-23-2003 17:27:

The website is simply pro-isreali, no matter what you think. If they were honest in their reporting, they wouldnt choose a specific "victim" in this problem, but look at it from both view points as objectively as possible.

And drummraver, disinformation is in fact a word... e.g, the disinformation campaigns of the Iraq war.


Posted by Paula on Aug-24-2003 18:02:

Main Entry: dis�in�for�ma�tion
Pronunciation: (")di-"sin-f&r-'mA-sh&n
Function: noun
Date: 1939
: false information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth

(websters )


Posted by DR86 on Aug-24-2003 21:47:

well then....thanks for that.


Posted by Cyrus King on Aug-27-2003 18:13:

A Jew among 25,000 Muslims

Even as a young girl in Wimbledon Susan Nathan knew she would one day move to Israel. But why did she choose to settle in the Arab town of Tamra?
Jonathan Cook

Wednesday August 27, 2003: (The Guardian) She makes an incongruous figure, waiting in front of the central mosque in the northern Israeli town of Tamra. There is no danger I will miss her. She has short blonde hair, in contrast to the rest of the women who cover their dark hair with scarves, and is wearing a loose-fitting floral kaftan, better suited to the streets of Wimbledon, her former home, than here in the Middle East.

The difference runs much deeper than mere looks: Susan Nathan is the only Jew among 25,000 Muslims in Tamra, one of the country's dozens of Arab communities whose council is run by Islamic fundamentalists. She is one of only two Israeli Jews known to have crossed the ethnic divide: the other is the controversial academic Uri Davis, who lives in nearby Sakhnin.

Nathan, a 54-year-old teacher and former Aids counsellor with the London Lighthouse Project, arrived in Israel four years ago, after the break-up of her marriage. For the first few months she shared a tiny room in an absorption centre near Tel Aviv. "I was breastfed Zionism. My parents were prominent members of the liberal Jewish community in London and were firm friends of Abba Eban," she says, referring to the Israeli foreign minister during the epoch-changing period of the 1967 six-day war, when Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza from Jordan and Egypt. "At the age of 10 or 11 I remember telling my parents that one day I would live in Israel."

But since her move from Tel Aviv to work as an English teacher in deprived Tamra seven months ago, she has lost her Jewish friends. "At first they thought I was just being provocative," she says. "Then they thought I was suffering some sort of mental breakdown. Now they realise I am serious, they have turned their backs. What I have done is far too threatening."

Seated in her second-floor flat, surrounded by African cloth prints on the walls, classical music CDs and shelves filled with art and Jewish history books, it is not immediately clear what kind of threat Nathan represents. She is slight, still not fully recovered from surgery for a rare eye cancer, and her thin voice is easily drowned out when the muezzin begins the midday call to prayer. Although she refuses to speak Hebrew in Tamra, she still wears a Star of David pendant around her neck.

Paradoxically, her stance has also earned her the enmity of the Israeli peace movement. "The Jewish left is totally in thrall to the idea of two states for two people. What I am doing by showing that Jews and Arabs can live together in peace undermines their argument."

Although there is little in the law to prevent Arabs and Jews from living together, in practice it almost never happens. Israeli Jews are educated to see their Arab neighbours as either primitive or dangerous, says Nathan. Jews and Arabs are forbidden to inter-marry in Israel: the tiny number who do must leave the country and marry abroad, usually in nearby Cyprus. The handful who do live together do so incognito, usually in Tel Aviv or in one of what are misleadingly termed "mixed cities" such as Lod, Acre or Haifa. But in reality these are little more than Jewish cities with poor, separate Arab neighbourhoods.

Israeli Arabs face their own obstacles to joining Jewish communities. Some 93% of land is owned by the state; and those who try to lease it are vetted by committees that weed out undesirables, including Arabs. Against this background, and the eruption of the intifada, Nathan started to question her own Zionism and the direction the Jewish state had taken since its founding.

She was surprised at how quickly she was accepted in Tamra. "Once they realised I was coming with an open mind and was trying to help they were very welcoming," she says. Seven months of living in a Muslim town have made her rail even more angrily against what she sees as the intolerance and racism of Israeli Jews. "When I left for Tamra, my friends said they were very afraid for me. So I asked them if they had any Arab friends on which to base this judgment. None of them did: they only met Arabs if they were being served humous or having their car fixed. When I asked them what I should be afraid of they could not articulate it. It's all emotion."

The parallels that Nathan draws between Israel and the old South Africa are based on long periods of her youth spent there with relatives, although she acknowledges that Israel does not enforce the same brutal apartheid. In fact, she even points out that her first real meetings with Palestinians occurred in the Hadassah hospital in Jerusalem, where her cancer was being treated. In the days before the intifada, Jews and Arabs lay in beds alongside each other.

"Of course, Jews and Arabs travel on buses together and watch films in the same cinemas. The apartheid in Israel is not formalised and legalised like it was in South Africa; it is sophisticated, hidden and emotional. It is based on a culture of fear of the Other, which is fed by the Zionist propaganda machine."

The real problem, she says, lies in the different nature of citizenship for Jews and Arabs. It starts with the founding principles of the state such as the law of return, which allows Jews anywhere in the world - such as Nathan herself - to claim a right to migrate to Israel; but at the same time it denies millions of Palestinians the right to claim the homes they and their parents were dispossessed of 55 years ago.

And it continues in the discrimination in employment, local council budgets, access to the media and control of the government. "Where are the Arab heads of banks, the civil service, the rectors of universities?"

But most of all, she says, apartheid is shaped by the battle for territory. "It is revealed in the fact that the state can confiscate hundreds of thousands of acres of Arab-owned land and then refuse even to lease it back to the original owners; that the state has refused to build a single new Arab community in its 55 years, even though the population has grown eightfold."

Dotted around Tamra are land-hungry farm collectives (the kibbutz) and luxury communities reserved exclusively for Jews. "Where are the people of Tamra supposed to live? They are being choked. By making life unbearable here is the state not trying to bring about a quiet form of transfer, of ethnic cleansing? People who have the money or connections to move abroad do so."

She is working on projects to expose the similarities between Israeli and former South African apartheid, including regularly travelling to South Africa to work with the Tutu Foundation. But she remains pessimistic about the future. "You can't run a country without offering the people a future, a path forward. Here, the way is blocked in all directions and sooner or later it will catch up with them - just as it did in South Africa."


Posted by Viber on Aug-27-2003 19:08:

cyrus ,get me off your sig


mods:this is not right,he cant slander me like this,its in a sarcastic tone and i ask for you to talk with him,i dont want my nick to be mentiond in his sig

Thanx


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Aug-27-2003 20:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Although there is little in the law to prevent Arabs and Jews from living together, in practice it almost never happens. Israeli Jews are educated to see their Arab neighbours as either primitive or dangerous, says Nathan. Jews and Arabs are forbidden to inter-marry in Israel: the tiny number who do must leave the country and marry abroad, usually in nearby Cyprus. The handful who do live together do so incognito, usually in Tel Aviv or in one of what are misleadingly termed "mixed cities" such as Lod, Acre or Haifa. But in reality these are little more than Jewish cities with poor, separate Arab neighbourhoods.


Are you sure jews and arabs are forbidden to intermarry in Israel? I know their religious organizations might forbid it, but is it the same situation with the government also? Could someone from Israel enlighten me on this matter?


Posted by hardcore trancer on Aug-28-2003 01:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Viber
cyrus ,get me off your sig


mods:this is not right,he cant slander me like this,its in a sarcastic tone and i ask for you to talk with him,i dont want my nick to be mentiond in his sig

Thanx



you lil cry baby!!!: waaaawaaaaa Cyrus this,cyrus that!!


Posted by Cyrus King on Aug-28-2003 05:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Viber
cyrus ,get me off your sig


mods:this is not right,he cant slander me like this,its in a sarcastic tone and i ask for you to talk with him,i dont want my nick to be mentiond in his sig

Thanx

Did i make you angry little one.... BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!

I wont take it down unless a mod tells me too.

Also...i really do think you are cool.,.. why would you want me to take it off


Posted by Viber on Aug-28-2003 13:53:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
you lil cry baby!!!: waaaawaaaaa Cyrus this,cyrus that!!


shut up deep shit
how many times have you asked the mods to ban me becuse ive hurted you feelings?? 1miilon-2million times so stay out of this!


Posted by hardcore trancer on Aug-29-2003 03:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Viber
shut up deep shit
how many times have you asked the mods to ban me becuse ive hurted you feelings?? 1miilon-2million times so stay out of this!














Posted by melech_mike on Aug-29-2003 08:04:

Idiots!


Posted by Mikado on Aug-29-2003 11:56:

Be Cool!

quote:
Originally posted by melech_mike
Idiots!
]
I think for once we can all agree with Melech.


Posted by Viber on Aug-29-2003 23:37:

quote:
Originally posted by melech_mike
Idiots!



you do understand that im on your side dont you?!


Posted by DR86 on Aug-29-2003 23:39:

no, i think mike is calling you an idiot because instead of just ignoring the other two, you continue to bicker with them.


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