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Posted by demons on Mar-14-2003 17:26:

its slowly disappearing up its own arse in other words


Posted by demons on Mar-14-2003 17:29:

Trance Will Eat Itself


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Mar-14-2003 18:27:

quote:
Originally posted by gaz@influential
Hard one, but my best suggestion is that trance, as one of the most futuristic music genres, seems to attract (or at least has in the last few years) tech-savvy mp3 using fans. It's nothing to do with commericalisation IMO - obviously, yes, a totally underground genre won't have a massive mp3 scene, but house is just as commerical as trance in the UK and that doesn't suffer the same problems.

I think it comes down to this. Back in 1998/99 people heard new trance in a club, that was the place to hear new music. Then they went to record stores, listened to, and bought the music they liked. But the key point was, the primary listening was done out clubbing on nights out - AS IT SHOULD BE. Music sounds a lot better in a club than on some desktop speakers. In house, d&b, breaks etc, people still hear most new tunes out.

Yet somewhere down the line, trance became *the* dance genre for the internet community. This now means that most people don't hear new trance in clubs - they hear it on mp3s, on live rips, on Armin's ID&T show, on net broadcasts, etc.

This for me has had two main reprocussions (going slightly OT here, but interesting none the less):

a) People are much more critical about trance than before. Fact is most half decent dance music sounds great in a club, but it has to be AMAZING to sound great on your home PC. For example, the big tunes a few years ago, ie: Binary Finary - 1998 were loved by pretty much everyone, without exception. But these days you never seem to get such universal love for tunes, because the internet community is so incredibley critical, even about things you wouldn't notice in a club: "Hmmm the hi-hat programming isn't quite perfect".

b) Clubs are less fun because of increased amounts of people knowing the music that's getting played. Gone are the days of whole rooms of people going properly mental, oh no, there's also a few geeks around the edge going "No way man, I've had this tune on mp3 for like three months, how behind is he?!". Big club tunes stop being big clubs tunes sooner than before and DJs often end up playing crap tunes, just because people don't know them.

So yes, in a way, trance is a victim of its own popularity. People becoming so obsessive about trance, and trance tunes, has in effect taken a lot of the fun out of the genre.

(all completley IMVHO and a bit deep)

Thoughts??


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Mar-14-2003 18:32:

quote:
Originally posted by gaz@influential
Hard one, but my best suggestion is that trance, as one of the most futuristic music genres, seems to attract (or at least has in the last few years) tech-savvy mp3 using fans. It's nothing to do with commericalisation IMO - obviously, yes, a totally underground genre won't have a massive mp3 scene, but house is just as commerical as trance in the UK and that doesn't suffer the same problems.

I think it comes down to this. Back in 1998/99 people heard new trance in a club, that was the place to hear new music. Then they went to record stores, listened to, and bought the music they liked. But the key point was, the primary listening was done out clubbing on nights out - AS IT SHOULD BE. Music sounds a lot better in a club than on some desktop speakers. In house, d&b, breaks etc, people still hear most new tunes out.

Yet somewhere down the line, trance became *the* dance genre for the internet community. This now means that most people don't hear new trance in clubs - they hear it on mp3s, on live rips, on Armin's ID&T show, on net broadcasts, etc.

This for me has had two main reprocussions (going slightly OT here, but interesting none the less):

a) People are much more critical about trance than before. Fact is most half decent dance music sounds great in a club, but it has to be AMAZING to sound great on your home PC. For example, the big tunes a few years ago, ie: Binary Finary - 1998 were loved by pretty much everyone, without exception. But these days you never seem to get such universal love for tunes, because the internet community is so incredibley critical, even about things you wouldn't notice in a club: "Hmmm the hi-hat programming isn't quite perfect".

b) Clubs are less fun because of increased amounts of people knowing the music that's getting played. Gone are the days of whole rooms of people going properly mental, oh no, there's also a few geeks around the edge going "No way man, I've had this tune on mp3 for like three months, how behind is he?!". Big club tunes stop being big clubs tunes sooner than before and DJs often end up playing crap tunes, just because people don't know them.

So yes, in a way, trance is a victim of its own popularity. People becoming so obsessive about trance, and trance tunes, has in effect taken a lot of the fun out of the genre.

(all completley IMVHO and a bit deep)

Thoughts??


Damnit, I'll get these postings right sooner or later!

You're right, that is deep, but extremely interesting nonetheless. Not everyday I get to pick the brain of a touted trance dj/producer.
Although I understand everything stated, I can't completely relate to it all, primarily because I think geographical location plays a little bit of a role somewhat here in the States, at least for me in the Midwest (i.e. Bible-Belt). Places like NY, LA, Miami, D.C., and all over Europe may have incredible big-name resident DJs, and the criticisms of their music may run more freely. But those resident DJs merely tour through where I live (Kansas City) 1-2x/month, so I don't necessarily hear the critics as loud. Even though we have a number of good resident DJs who do a great job keeping up with current chunes, it's hard to critize that which is not as readily available. Beggers can't be choosers I guess. Even if I've already heard the chune on the internet before they drop the needle on it for the first time, I'm still not one to criticize (unless they play old overplayed stuff like Operation Blade or DJ Jean's - The Launch, then it's open season on flaming!).

I agree with you completely about the popularity of Trance due to the internet. But I wonder if other genres that are popular here in the States will share the same fate - i.e House, Prog., Tribal, etc. My split personality loves all sides of electronica dance music, and I've diversified myself a great deal over the past couple of years. But my heart in many ways still belongs to Trance, considering it really threw me into the scene a few years ago. I would hate to see my other loves (Prog./House/Tribal/D&B/Breaks) take the same beating that Trance is currently going through with MP3 file swappers. Do you forsee this happening?

One other thought I've had for some time now: the future of Trance. I had a notion a while back that Trance would evolve into a completely different beast, one that will combine a number of elements of House/Prog. and mutate into a combination of different genres. Lately, this seems to not only be true in a number of songs coming out, but also in the mixture of music that big-name DJs are starting to play. Tiesto's sets lately have taken on a Progressive tone as well as PVD's mixes (his 3 HR set at ClubNight 3/1/03 is an absolute gem of a mixture of music!). Do you see this as well? And if so, is this mixture of Trance/House/Prog. a result of the problems true Trance music has been experiencing lately? Lastly, hey, where do you see yourself taking Trance?

Alright, now I'm really done with the questions! Seriously, a great pleasure to have this conversation with you.


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