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Originally posted by sothis for the record, my boyfriend has wanted a vasectomy BEFORE the moment i met him. he happens to share the same view as me about never wanting children. i NEVER pressured him to get one. it was 100% his choice, and still is.

people grow up, they change, their ideals evolve, only the idiot is stubborn.

So if your man is close by, tell him "bravo" for doing something irreversible at such a young age. What a waste.

And I retract the "idiot" I said about you, you don't deserve it as much as him.

When I was younger, me too I never wanted to have any kids, _EVER_. But hey! What do you know... I changed

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and why the hell are you bringing up a hysterectomy? i dont have uterine cancer. for fucks sake..

huh ??? where??

Ok I see, about removing the Uterus, i was half joking. I fully know its not the propre operation, but you'll agree no uterus = no kids

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Originally posted by mos man my girlfriend is on the pill and sometimes i feel that, that isnt enough and maybe i should wear condoms..

how about you wear 2 condoms

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jesus christ there's even a patch that the girl puts on once a week.

thats what i use right now. quite a handy little birth control device.

now, back to trancediablo:

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what you think if i dont use condoms Im retarded or something

if you arent using some other form of birth control, and dont want a child, YES, i do.

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anyways birth control pills have many side effects

what side effect are you possibly talking about that is worse off than having a child? ive had some bad, bad reactions to one form or another of birth control... and ill tell you, id deal with it all again if it didnt mean id have a child for the rest of my life. not to mention, there are many forms of birth control. not all have negative side effects. jesus.. thats an awful reason to not protect yourself.

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I trust her and she trusts me

so if you trust her and have happy thoughts, that means you wont get pregnant? ummm...

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by the way we did get tested and it came out negative

tested for what? did you read what i said? the two most common stds, herpes and HPV, are NOT TESTABLE. did you get that? you CANT TEST FOR THEM. there is one strain of HPV which is testable in a woman, but its the cervical kind. the other kind on the outside, is not testable. this is why they get spread around so much.

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theres always a possibility of getting pregnant even if you use every single anti-pregnant "things" SAFE sex is no sex at all!!

no shit, sherlock. but your analogy is ridiculously flawed. you are basically saying that because condoms and birth control are not 100% effective, then its ok to use nothing at all. i cant understand how you think that logic is valid.

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tell him "bravo" for doing something irreversible at such a young age

vasectomies are reversable. they do cost 1000-1500 dollars, but they are reversable. yes, theres a chance it wont work. but a high percentage can get it reversed.

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What a waste.

waste to who? or what? to society? for not having another child running around? im not that stubborn to think that if i have a child, that it MUST have my dna, or else it wouldnt be special, it isnt the same, etc. IF i ever feel the need to spawn, i will adopt a child and give it a loving home. my boyfriend happens to feel the same way. god forbid you have two people in the world with such an AWFUL attitude. i suppose we would be better off fucking like rabbits, having lots of children to be put in the foster care system, and/or using taxpayers money to pay for their welfare checks?

your morality and sense of continuing your blood line have nothing to do with anyone else's choice to not want to breed.

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huh ??? where??

you said:

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Why didn't *you* go get your uterus removed??

from dictionary.com:

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hys�ter�ec�to�my - Surgical removal of part or all of the uterus.

or, something that is done when you have uterine cancer. there is no other reason to have the uterus removed (considering it causes all sorts of nasty problems) unless that happens. a tubal ligation (which sterilizes a woman) is a LOT different than having the uterus removed.

just noticed your edit.

i do agree. no uterus = no kids. but i cant even get a tubal ligation, let alone that done >_<

it really, really frustrates me how doctors dictate what you will or will not think in the future. it seems impossible for them to believe that someone might have a strong enough convinction when they are young. so, instead, women are forced to continue to use birth control for years, paying a lot of money... just so they can continue to not have kids (= same result). BAH

i also really wish that instead of taking every post i say as feministic crap, that you would read the message behind it and not assume such things. everything i have to say is not about "WOMYN POWERR !!!1!"

I have strong feelings about pills. The most important to me is the sneaky effects they have on behaviour.

My girlfriend is strongly opposed to them seeing what side effects they have on her friends.

she doesn't want pills(or different forms patches/shots/etc), both dont want condoms, and vasectomy and all forms of sterlization is a no no.

We know fully the consequences of our actions and know how to deal with them. If she becomes pregnant at the wrong moment, she will abort. That's all. How can you be called immature, irresponsible or just plain stupid when you are aware of your doings?? get a grip people!!

and just to scare you a bit (because it seems this thread has gone this way). Tell to my little brother about tubal ligation... my mom had them done (in her 40s) and by "miracle" she became pregnant...ask your doctor, even those aren't 100%

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My girlfriend is strongly opposed to them seeing what side effects they have on her friends.

this is totally valid. the first pill i tried, made me into a MONSTER. it was the most insane thing ever being completely and totally not in control of my emotions, and rather scary. but, i got put on a lower dose pill, and never noticed it again. also, ive been on depo provera, lunelle (two kinds of shots) and it didnt effect my behavior at all. same with the patch.

im not trying to sound condescending towards her or to act like she isnt aware, but why is she so opposed to things like depo, for example? she would only have to get the shot once every 3 months, it REALLY doesnt hurt, at all (its nothing like getting a shot in your arm), it has no estrogen in it so usually no one has the issue of becoming a psycho hose beast woman.. and, you dont even get your period the whole time you are on it. and, its more effective than sterilization! something like 99.7% effective. and no chance of user error like the pill, patch, etc.

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If she becomes pregnant at the wrong moment, she will abort. That's all.

im the same. even tho ive taken all precautions that i know of, if the small chance still happened that i got pregnant, id abort. all morality issues aside, however, (and as im sure you know), thats a bitch of a procedure, and a rather costly one as well. i understand what you are saying, but i still have a hard time understanding why, given the high risk of pregnancy, would anyone not use *some* form of birth control (even if its just spermicide, or the female condom (which you wouldnt feel), or any other alternative.

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my mom had them done (in her 40s) and by "miracle" she became pregnant...ask your doctor, even those aren't 100%

word.. they can grow back. to be honest, im STILL paranoid that even once my bf gets his vasectomy, that i might get pregnant. then again, vasectomy reversals (growing back together) can be caught by a visit to the doctor to check your sperm count. still worries me tho :/

and one last note.

My close friend (doctor) who just finished his internship at a hospital could not believe his ears when little girls about 13 asking for the pills!! or even worse at 15+ asking for tubal ligation. He was shocked and was trying to explain, most not knowing the consequences, they heard about it and just want it. So for your doctor, you're just one of these little girls (you're just 22 after all).

I was with her when the doctor proposed depo provera, shots every 3 months, etc. He layed down all the specs and side effects. She refused on the spot. Little side effects doesn't equal NO side effects at all.

But she might reconsider, but I doubt it for the moment.

yea, and let me add, depo is not 100% great. for a lot of women, it works GREAT. for other women, its complete and total hell (re: ME.) .. i had the worst experience with it basically ever (if yer interested, pm me and ill tell you.. tho it probably would make your girlfriend never want to get on it again )... its kind of evil that way. women either adore it, or hate it. and unfortunately theres no way of knowing how your body will react unless you take it the first time.

damn these reproductive tracts!

*looks forward to the future, where people can turn their reproductive capabilities on and off when necessary* (ahh, i can dream cant i? )

on and off is binary.

We are animals, not computers

so which are the protection means, pros and "antis" (dunno how to say it) in the market against pregnancies and diseases ?
i mean the full list of it..if anyone can help..=P

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Originally posted by ahlamalek same here pal, don't listen to these fools and most importantly don't worry about that retarded sothis... getting her guy to do vasectomy, this IS a sign of no intelligence. Maybe this guy will want to have kids later on, wtf is he supposed to do? Why didn't *you* go get your uterus removed?? we have a case of raging feminist here. sothis, take your rethorics somewhere else.

Finally someone who understands me....

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Originally posted by decibel08 *sigh* where to begin... who do i think i am ? i am someone who recognizes that unprotected sex and an increasingly more obvious immature attitude leads to babies. that's where my prediction comes from. you're right in that i misread one of your posts, thinking you said you would just get an abortion if she got pregnant. my bad. so you wont get an abortion. even better. i sincerely hope you don't get put in that situation just for the kids sake. the fact that you've been having sex for 2 years with no bad results is surprising, but statistically you're due for a baby now. you've used up all the statistical deviation (or been working at the wrong hole, who knows). if i am so smart, i should tell you about my relationship ? interesting. i have had my share of adventures, good times, and mistakes, but im not one to go on about that here on a relatively anonymous forum. whats the point ? i don't really want to stoop to your level and rattle off how many relationships ive had, when i lost my virginity, and how often i get laid. simply not interested in discussing this with you. my impression is that i am significantly more 'relationship experienced' than you, if that is a quantifiable thing, and it would serve you well not to attack that credibility. --dannyB--

You know...if i had a kid now it would have a good home to live in and everything a child needs...and im sure my BABE can KIK UR BABE's ASS....alright.....u and sothis just keep taking those pills and everyuting...and we'll se how ur kid turn out to be. AND I didnt ask you about when u lost ur verginity or how often u get laid...for all i care u can be a slut. i dont even know why i bother with u 2..u both hypocrites.

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so if you trust her and have happy thoughts, that means you wont get pregnant? ummm...

Where the hell did u get that from.If she does get pregnant then GOOD...we want to have kids anyways.!!!

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tested for what? did you read what i said? the two most common stds, herpes and HPV, are NOT TESTABLE. did you get that? you CANT TEST FOR THEM. there is one strain of HPV which is testable in a woman, but its the cervical kind. the other kind on the outside, is not testable. this is why they get spread around so much.

DUUHH....i got tested for hiv and other std that ARE DETECTIBLE.

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no shit, sherlock. but your analogy is ridiculously flawed. you are basically saying that because condoms and birth control are not 100% effective, then its ok to use nothing at all. i cant understand how you think that logic is valid.

YOU said that u dont want kids.ok great so you use all that protection and waste money on it. I on the other hand want to have kids and family. AND did u ever had natural SEX????

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Originally posted by ahlamalek I have strong feelings about pills. The most important to me is the sneaky effects they have on behaviour. My girlfriend is strongly opposed to them seeing what side effects they have on her friends. she doesn't want pills(or different forms patches/shots/etc), both dont want condoms, and vasectomy and all forms of sterlization is a no no. We know fully the consequences of our actions and know how to deal with them. If she becomes pregnant at the wrong moment, she will abort. That's all. How can you be called immature, irresponsible or just plain stupid when you are aware of your doings?? get a grip people!! and just to scare you a bit (because it seems this thread has gone this way). Tell to my little brother about tubal ligation... my mom had them done (in her 40s) and by "miracle" she became pregnant...ask your doctor, even those aren't 100%

Well said...same here man!

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Originally posted by TranceDiablo You know...if i had a kid now it would have a good home to live in and everything a child needs...and im sure my BABE can KIK UR BABE's ASS....alright.....u and sothis just keep taking those pills and everyuting...and we'll se how ur kid turn out to be. AND I didnt ask you about when u lost ur verginity or how often u get laid...for all i care u can be a slut. i dont even know why i bother with u 2..u both hypocrites.

well, if you want to have kids at 14, that is a bad decision, but your decision nonetheless. i guarantee you that kid would not have everything it needed, unless you gave it to a family that wanted to adopt. im 21, been through plenty, and i know that i am not ready to be a father. you being a parent at your age and maturity is just a joke. like i said before, you would ruin 3 lives ; yours, your girlfriend's, and the baby's, not to mention the people around you who have to help deal with the situation.

notice i haven't said much about pills, but sothis knows her stuff. it would serve you well to listen to her as everything she's said has been intelligent and respectful.

yes we will see how my kid turns out to be, which hopefully will happen but not for a few years. and i could be a slut ? i believe your first post in this thread had to do with wanting more ass, not being content just to have sex with one girl. am i wrong ?

now, please tell me how ive been hypocritical. i would love to see you point out one example of my hypocrisy. and then show me sothis' hypocritical statements too, cause that'll be a test of your imagination.

why should you bother with me ? because i, somewhere in the recesses of my psyche, am trying to help you avoid the certainty of a miserable life brought on by simple awful choices at a young age. that's right. im trying to help.

--dannyB--

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well, if you want to have kids at 14,[\QUOTE] HAHA you are TRYING to be funny but im sorry...TRY again. [Quote] that is a bad decision, but your decision nonetheless. i guarantee you that kid would not have everything it needed, unless you gave it to a family that wanted to adopt.

Wrong

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im 21,

Hard to believe.but good for you!

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you being a parent at your age and maturity is just a joke. like i said before, you would ruin 3 lives ; yours, your girlfriend's, and the baby's, not to mention the people around you who have to help deal with the situation.

Wrong yet AGAIN.

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notice i haven't said much about pills, but sothis knows her stuff. it would serve you well to listen to her as everything she's said has been intelligent and respectful.

True.She does know her stuff.But im gonna have to strongly dissagree with the respectful part. I dont say 2 you that ur kid is gonna polute society.(its kinda rasist dont you think)i dont rememper if it was you who said it or her..whatever.

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yes we will see how my kid turns out to be, which hopefully will happen but not for a few years. and i could be a slut ? i believe your first post in this thread had to do with wanting more ass, not being content just to have sex with one girl. am i wrong ?

Hehe good memory! that was my seccond post to be persist.

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now, please tell me how ive been hypocritical. i would love to see you point out one example of my hypocrisy. and then show me sothis' hypocritical statements too, cause that'll be a test of your imagination.

You said that you did some things that you regret...and u telling me u never had sex without a condom? OKIE and now you screaming at me...okay

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why should you bother with me ? because i, somewhere in the recesses of my psyche, am trying to help you avoid the certainty of a miserable life brought on by simple awful choices at a young age. that's right. im trying to help. --dannyB--

HEY I know you trying to help...and I understand you. I would give advice to people not to use protection. I think you misunderstood me or something down the line..cus it seems that u think i NEVER use condoms.WE do, but my point is that sometimes you just dont have one andwe still do it.IS IT A CRIME! and if something happens WE are ready to take the responsibility for it cus I know myself I know ppl around me I know that im mature enough to handle it.(sorry to disappoint you.

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If she does get pregnant then GOOD...we want to have kids anyways.!!!

dude! had you said that since your first response to me, i wouldnt have given you ANY of the shit ive been giving you. you said:

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its been a long time since we stopped using protection and so far thank god(knock knock) othing happen

im guessing to 100% of people who read this, it sounded like you meant that you do NOT want children, and thus, are happy that she hasnt gotten pregnant yet. had you just said "we want children, so we are ok if she gets pregnant", like i said, i wouldnt have given you shit at ALL. the problem i have is with people who really dont want to get pregnant, yet still take zero precautions to prevent it.

so yea.. might help to clarify next time right away to save everyone some trouble

and yes, what are my hypocritical comments? id like to see those. ive had sex without condoms before, but ive ALWAYS been on at *least* one other form of birth control. (at one point, i was on depo provera, AND the pill... for a complicated reason). ive never had sex without birth control, and without condoms. ever. so i assume my hypocrisy is related to something else?

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dude! had you said that since your first response to me, i wouldnt have given you ANY of the shit ive been giving you. you said: im guessing to 100% of people who read this, it sounded like you meant that you do NOT want children, and thus, are happy that she hasnt gotten pregnant yet. had you just said "we want children, so we are ok if she gets pregnant", like i said, i wouldnt have given you shit at ALL. the problem i have is with people who really dont want to get pregnant, yet still take zero precautions to prevent it. so yea.. might help to clarify next time right away to save everyone some trouble

OK..LOL...well but it wouldnt been so fun right? and to make things more complicated. I dont want a kid now maybe in 2 years but if it happens im not gonna scream and yell and make my gf get abortion or anything.and yes ur information has been good.thank you. but what pissed me off is that u assumed things about me..

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and yes, what are my hypocritical comments? id like to see those. ive had sex without condoms before, but ive ALWAYS been on at *least* one other form of birth control. (at one point, i was on depo provera, AND the pill... for a complicated reason). ive never had sex without birth control, and without condoms. ever. so i assume my hypocrisy is related to something else?

so I assumed some thing bout u too...and thats where the hypocritical comments came from. BUT anyways you dont want kids?I have a friend that feels the same.She things that there are so many poor children out there that are dying (like china) that she would abopt all of them if she could.BUT its very expensive I think she said for a 4 year old girl from china you have to pay around 50,000 dollars...Its insane. Is that how you fela???sorry if im wrong.

yea, i really dont want kids. at all. i dont plan on ever wanting them. not only do i not like children, or babies, or being pregnant, but i just dont want that responsibility. i want to live my life, with my sig other, and do fun things. i want to travel everywhere.. work in other countries, do exciting and amazing things. kids would tie me down, suck up my money, and in general, take over my life. thats not the life i want.

some people think thats strange or "wrong", but i dont see why. millions and billions of people out there are raising children, so i dont see why theres anything wrong with not wanting to be one of those people.

as far as adopting, you are right, its super expensive! but i guess my point just was that IF i ever change my mind, its not like if i get a tubal ligation, that i wont have any more options.

with my girlfriend (she wasnt at the time) after futuregods last year.

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Originally posted by sothis yea, i really dont want kids. at all. i dont plan on ever wanting them. not only do i not like children, or babies, or being pregnant, but i just dont want that responsibility. i want to live my life, with my sig other, and do fun things. i want to travel everywhere.. work in other countries, do exciting and amazing things. kids would tie me down, suck up my money, and in general, take over my life. thats not the life i want. some people think thats strange or "wrong", but i dont see why. millions and billions of people out there are raising children, so i dont see why theres anything wrong with not wanting to be one of those people. as far as adopting, you are right, its super expensive! but i guess my point just was that IF i ever change my mind, its not like if i get a tubal ligation, that i wont have any more options.

HEY nothing wrong with that. but what happens if you get older, i think you would want to have someone there, some grandkids,but as you said you can always adopt. As for traveling, I did A LOT of traveling with my parents when I was younger. All around the good US of A. so I didnt stop them. I guess im just of a family man.

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer with my girlfriend (she wasnt at the time) after futuregods last year.

DUDE !!WHAT does THIS have to do with ANYTHING???

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer with my girlfriend (she wasnt at the time) after futuregods last year.

hey dude, remove your signature. People are dying, have some respect.

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