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| Originally posted by Turbonium Light does not abide with Newton's laws. Driving your car at 100mph, and shining the headlights, will NOT result in the light from the headlights to go at c+100mph. Light ALWAYS travels at a constant rate (3.00 * 10^8m/s, approx). The speed of light is the only constant in the universe, time is what bends to it. |
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| Originally posted by whiskers no it's not. nobody really knows how much of a physical thing it is, but there are theories that under enormous gravitational pulls time doesn't behave like it does normally. plus remember, if you're traveling at the speed of light, not only time goes by slower for you, everything also seems to be longer (vs. an observer). einstein's theory of relativity is very interesting, i used to read about it when i was like 10. |
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| Originally posted by Turbonium Correction on that statement. You don't notice time pass by slower: time is constant in the same interial frame of reference. You don't notice it going slower, but to an observer, they will notice you not aging, etc. I'm 99% sure on what I just said. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. |
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| Originally posted by whiskers but theoretically, if you were to travel at c, and pitch a ball at 90mph, what would be the speed of the ball? or could it be that at c time completely stops????????!!!!! hehe. |
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| Originally posted by whiskers yes, that was implied, possibly in a bad choice of words. you never realize that you might seem different in shape or slower in your movements to the observer. i'm wondering if the theory of relativity was named so because everything relative to an observer. |
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| Originally posted by djSlain let me think................................no i don't beleive..........no wait, yes..........time travel?...88 miles per hour........flux capasitor......2.1 jigawatts....carry the 2... ok ok, i made up my mind...... this guy is from the future |
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| Originally posted by Turbonium Yea exactly, time stops. The ball has no speed, just like you don't. But wait, wtf. Maybe it's like an asymptote thing. Hitting the speed of light would mean you have zero speed, so, um, wtf... |
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| Originally posted by Turbonium Relative to yourself, everything is the same. But not necessarily to an observer. |
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| Originally posted by whiskers what exactly do you mean by that? i mean, we can only speculate what happens at c, and besides, who said c is the ceiling? i mean, what if you reach c and keep accelerating? IMO, something would definitely happen, like conversion of energy or something in that sense... maybe wormholes will open or other such stuff. something we have never experienced before physically. btw, you just accidentally came up with the greatest quote of the week, IMHO: |
omfg I just had an epiphany (either that or I'm just way too tired).
You can't travel back in time because of what I said in my last post. The moment you reach the speed of light, you can't go any faster, simply because you can't give your speed a value due to time being at a standstill. So there you go, reaching the speed of light means you're fucked, because you can't slow down either, just the same way you can't speed up. So basically, you're stuck in this crazy ass hyperdrive mode of going really fast, but really, you have no speed. So wtf, whatever, all I know is you'd be screwed (you'd either cease to exist just because, or you'd sit there FOREVER).
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| Originally posted by Turbonium btw, how in the hell is that a "quote of the week"? I don't get it, did it not make sense? Grammatically incorrect? Just a stupid quote?... |
Time travel: Just a pinch of salvia away.
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| Originally posted by moncster Time travel: Just a pinch of salvia away. |
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| Originally posted by whiskers reading that salvia blotter thread too, i see? and not just time travel, personal visits from the royal family included! |
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| Originally posted by moncster whiskers you dumb dumb head, I started that thread |
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| Originally posted by whiskers pardon, there were two, and i didn't realize you started both of them. but i have an excuse - it's past my bedtime do you think albert einstein had a set bedtime? |
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| Originally posted by moncster Of course not. Einstein had MUSTACHE POWER!!! |
Attaining the speed of light isn't necessarily the only way to travel back/forward in time. Black holes, wormholes, cosmic rifts, etc. all hold possibilities.
That John Titor story and the Grandfather paradox are some really good shit to think about.
I spent an hour or so reading the posts by John Titor... facinating indeed, but almost certainly bullshit. I only skimmed through a lot of them but it keeps becoming more obvious that the story is baloney.
Does anyone remember the "War of the Worlds" thing? In 1938, before television, Orson Welles got on the radio and began announcing that martians were invading earth and taking over, but were doing it behind the scenes so no one could tell. He caused a genuine mass panic among what is today estimated over a million people. Many began to take up weapons and prepare for the defense. It continued to such a point that the gov't had to come in and calm peoples fears.
This time travel story reminds me of the same thing. Both provide shocking stories of human threats, both with an element of "suuuuure you say" sci-fi. The John Titor thing is riddled with huge holes and contradictions. He always provides enough information to make things seem real but seems to dodge hard questions that could prove it. Not to mention his physics and knowledge of time travel are ludicrous. Ill get to that later...
One of the biggest holes in the story I saw was that one of the rules he was assigned went along the lines of he would not divuldge information on the future (it may have been info that would benefit others directly, even still this is broken over and over). I cant remember the exact words, I only skimmed the whole thing for about an hour. But think about it. He says he is trying to benefit mankind by warning of the war so that they may avoid it.... on an internet forum? What good does this really do? Its like trying to put out a housefire with a thimble of water. But he turns around and in a message to someone says he thinks the war would be beneficial to humanity. Im sorry, but what kind of twisted morals beleive 3 billion dead in a nuclear war is beneficial to society? Human life should be valued above all, even if we live in a shit filled orwellian republican regime. And dont you find it odd that time and tmie again he refuses to predict short term events to prove himself, as not to break his rule or upset the balence of the universe, yet goes into great detail of future wars to come? He even gives detailed time lines, even exact days, of when major things will happen. Notice he doesnt mention a thing about 9-11, which is really the start of all this political nonsense. Also note he began posting his stories in November 2000, right in the middle of all this election bullshit. It would be prime opportunity to create a silly story of the downfall of American politics.
It also itches me how Russia just suddenly decides to start nuking the entire world in 2015 over a civil war in America. Russia even nukes Europe and China, then becomes the major trading partner with whats left of the US (apparantly they only nuked large cities, where one side of the civil war, the side of orwellian political regieme, existed). Do you not beleive that if Russia nuked Europe, China, AND the U.S. they would be erased from the fucking face of the earth 100x over by everyone who can build rockets? What would motivate them to do this anyways? And yet they remain a "major trading partner." I dont see how you can have major trade in a post nuclear world war era after 21 years.
And the most laughable of all things is his physics, especially that on time travel. Its ridiculous. Just look at this picture:
He claims this is a picture of his training in 2035. The laser beam is being bent by the gravity field, and is visible by the smoke coming from his "instructors" cigar. Anyone who has taken middle school science will fucking laugh at that. Theres a gravity field strong enough to fucking bend light 2 feet from your face and you arent being absolutely creamed by it? Absurd. Does he even know what gravity is??? Gravity is the attraction of positive and negative particles. The more MASS something has, the more gravity it creates. This is why Jupiter has such a gigantic gravity, the moon has little, and so on. In order to bend light you need a lot of fucking gravity!. You may be familiar with the term "event horizon." This defines the point surrouding a black hole at which the gravity is so strong, light can no longer escape. You know about space shuttles, right? How they need a certain amount of speed to propell themselves away from the gravitational forces of earth? Its the same for a black hole, as you get closer to the source of gravity you'll need more and more speed and thrust to escape its grip. Light travels at 186,000 miles per second. Imagine how strong gravity must be to trap something moving at 186,000 miles per second. Only huge black holes can create gravity fields this strong. These black holes form when GIGANTIC stars collapse on themselves, simply because theyre so huge. The stars it takes to create a sustainable black hole are many many times more massive than our own sun, which takes up more than 98% of ALL matter in our entire solar system! So you can get a good understanding of what kind of forces you need for a black hole. EVEN IF that machine can produce a small, localized field, its ability to bend the light would certainly also cause it to collapse itself as well. In fact, if anyone were ever to create a mini black hole that strong, it would probably consume the entire earth within seconds, if not the entire solar system. Also, each one of the "singularities" he claims to use for his black holes, would literally have to weigh about a billion metric tons EACH. And he claims to have two of these in one 500 lb suitcase. I find it absolutely incredible that in 33 years, after a 10 year civil war, and global nuclear world war, we will posess technology such as this (*cough*). Oh, and lets not get started on how grainy that picture is. If you look carefully, it looks like someone is shining a laser pointer (or even just a mini flashlight) into a car... you can kind of make out what looks like to be a rear-view mirror and door frame on the left. I could easily have taken that same picture, with a straight laser beam, threw it in photoshop, and with a simple application of the "swirl" filter, created the same effect. That laser pointer looks like it could be anything too. The beam could easily have been added on. And are we supposed to believe that in 2035, thats the best quality photo you can take?
I will admit I havent taken much on physics yet, though I am an intelligent person and I beleive even with my limited knowledge and education on the subject, I can provide accurate enough elementary physics. If anyone can prove/disprove what I said, I'd be glad if you would
One final tidbit of doubt: This is indeed a very elaborate ploy, with all the manual scans and pictures of the thing. But after digging around a bit I found the message board he originally posted on. It was none other than one for a website called the Time Travel Institute. Where better a place to pull off such a hoax? People there would readily belive much of it (at least more so than others). Also, seeing as its a fairly educated place, I could easily spend a few days reading there and obtain more than enough enough knowledge and theories to construct such a hoax.
So, I'll be taking these John Titor stories with a 50lb bag of salt. If it so happens a civil war breaks out in a year or two, I'll probably avoid big cities in 2015, but I aint holding my breath
by the way, for a much more elaborate, and well worded disproval than mine ( ) read THIS:
http://www.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bb...ic;f=9;t=000482
It basically blows it clean out of the water.
I spent reading this stuff for about one and a half to two hours, there is also another flaw that I was thinking, on the first web page it says that he was trained to keep the windows closed because of the high heat it produced, wouldn't the laser beam reflect from the window if it was closed? very interesting articles and all but it sounded like a book collection in spanish called the "troy Horse" talks about time travel in the seventies if I remember correctly, it is written by a mexican reporter who got the info from a retired us soldier that was living in mexico (wich in the first book he tells how he got the "journal" from this soldier (which was written in some kind of scroll), it describes the project as documenting jesus's life...
and still, there's a grain of truth in his stories.
but man, how delusional must you be to come up with such an elaborate story!
wasn't there an article somewhere about light not having a constant speed?
and i thought i heard something about particles that do have a higher speed than light has? what's the story about this?
and weren't there particles that would slow down if u give it less resistance? for instance when i push a particle forward it will slow down, and when i want to stop it, it will go faster?
some things i read somewhere but forgot most of it 
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| Originally posted by whiskers i don't see how we wouldn't be able to slow down though. imo, we wouldn't be able to reach the speed of light at all, just come really close to it. we wouldn't reach it because, as you say, our time relative to 'their' time would be zero and our speed would be undefined... but hey, what do i know, i'm not a physics major and i can't provide you with formulas to prove this stuff :-/ |
k well, i saw this one a while back and i did a little investigating. k the news paper that wrote this is call Weekly World News as you can see on the bottom of the article. well just check out their webpage and you'll have your anwser :P
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/
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