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Originally posted by AY STAR dump torre not cause they lost this season but i just feel its time for a change an me personaly i felt hes not the same since don zimmer left i have a feeling he helped torre with alot of calls as for a replacement deff go with gerardi he has experience and knows the team and is a go getter not one who will sit back and watch them lose arod could be mvp next 10 seasons in a row but he dont do shit in playoffs so if he left he left if he stays then hes gona do good during season but once playoffs come dont expect him to come thru mo i would keep he has atleast another 2 years in him posada is a great catcher/good clutch hitter but he runs like he has a safe strapped to his back and lacks speed thats what yankees need also these days

torre needs to go because he doesn't know how to manage a game or a bullpen. he may be able to manage the media and his players, but that isn't as important. The only reason this smuck is going to the hall of fame is because he inherited derek jeter, mariano, posada, bernie, pettitte, and that great pitching staff from the late 90s. give him the athletics from the past 3 or 4 seasons and he would have run that team into the ground. i've been saying that for years and will say it until torre is gone.

since derek had an awful post season is anyone calling for his removal? DJ almost single handedly ruined game 3. lucky for him damon picked him up. also, his DP in game 4 wasn't very helpful. yankees fans have a real short memory when it doesn't come to jeter, mo, and the likes. AROD almost single handedly won game 4 of the ALDS against the twins in 2004 (BA was .421). Plus he had a hot 3 games against boston in the ALCS in 2004 until game 4 when the entire team shut down; he had a .429 BA prior to game 4. check out the headline.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/ps/y2004/home.jsp?view=min_nyy

I want ARod to come back, but I won't blame him if he doesn't. The guy was booed so much the past couple of years for not coming through in the clutch, which is true.. but people don't seem to realize we wouldn't even be in the playoffs this year if it wasn't for him. And now the same people who are booing the hell out of him want him to re-sign? If I'm Arod I say screw it and sign elsewhere...

jerz i give u props u know ur shit
but lets be real
arod does not come threw in the clutch
half of those hits he gets were either solo shot home runs or hits when no one is on base
plus last year he also dropped a few fly balls while playin the field
and if you look he still has problems catchin them
he looks scarred
thats deff a weakness of his
like i said he may be mvp in the year but playoffs he dont come threw

If the yankees did not have Rodriguez on the roster they would not have made the playoffs this year. You have him to thank for not finishing third in the AL East. It's that simple.

Not signing Rodriguez would be a huge mistake on the part of Cashman. He's all for wasting money on the likes of Pavano, Giambi and Wright yet stalls when he has the opportunity to write off some smart pay checks.

As long as George is firing people, he might as well show Cashman the door too imo.

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Originally posted by djstopngo If the yankees did not have Rodriguez on the roster they would not have made the playoffs this year. You have him to thank for not finishing third in the AL East. It's that simple. Not signing Rodriguez would be a huge mistake on the part of Cashman. He's all for wasting money on the likes of Pavano, Giambi and Wright yet stalls when he has the opportunity to write off some smart pay checks. As long as George is firing people, he might as well show Cashman the door too imo.

not to mention his $28 million bomb on clemens. why would you spend that much on him and not on arod, especially considering texas is picking up more than a 1/4th of that. (i know im beating a dead horse, but that's important). although i like what cashman has been doing recently. you're right though, if arod isn't a yankee next year, cashman needs to go.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 not to mention his $28 million bomb on clemens. why would you spend that much on him and not on arod, especially considering texas is picking up more than a 1/4th of that. (i know im beating a dead horse, but that's important). although i like what cashman has been doing recently. you're right though, if arod isn't a yankee next year, cashman needs to go.

cashman needs to go regardless

I think Cashman should stay... Yeah he made some questionable moves, but I think the franchise is headed in the right direction now. He could've easily traded Hughes, Melky, Cano, Kennedy, etc for the likes of Gagne and other rentals but decided to hold off. I like the current blend of young players and veterans... I see this as a good platform on which next season will start on... similiar to '96.

Also remember that if ARod opts out of his deal, the 21 million that texas is paying of the rest of ARod's contract goes away...so if he does that, I think Cashman is completely within his rights to just walk away from the table. Also, Clemens' 28 mil was pro-rated... I think the total came out to 17 or 18 mil that they actually gave him this year.

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Originally posted by chanman7483 Also remember that if ARod opts out of his deal, the 21 million that texas is paying of the rest of ARod's contract goes away...so if he does that, I think Cashman is completely within his rights to just walk away from the table. Also, Clemens' 28 mil was pro-rated... I think the total came out to 17 or 18 mil that they actually gave him this year.

No, cashman should NOT leave AROD the option to walk away. if it comes to the point cashman wasn't doing his job. Right now, if cashman isn't on the phone hammering out a contract with Boras, he isn't doing his job. That is priority number 1.

As for clemens, what does it matter if it was pro rated? He received 18.5 M, which comes out to a little over $1M a start. And that's not including the 7.5M that was tacked on because of the luxury tax.

Even if arod was paid $35M a year, that would be about 216K a start. A bargain compared to Clemens. But the real cost of a $35M contract to the yankees for the first 3 years is something around $27M. So effectively, the yankees wouldn't be paying more than ARods current contract, its just that the texas portion would be in addition. At 27M the yankees would be paying about 166K a game. A serious bargain compared to Clemens.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 No, cashman should NOT leave AROD the option to walk away. if it comes to the point cashman wasn't doing his job. Right now, if cashman isn't on the phone hammering out a contract with Boras, he isn't doing his job. That is priority number 1. As for clemens, what does it matter if it was pro rated? He received 18.5 M, which comes out to a little over $1M a start. And that's not including the 7.5M that was tacked on because of the luxury tax. Even if arod was paid $35M a year, that would be about 216K a start. A bargain compared to Clemens. But the real cost of a $35M contract to the yankees for the first 3 years is something around $27M. So effectively, the yankees wouldn't be paying more than ARods current contract, its just that the texas portion would be in addition. At 27M the yankees would be paying about 166K a game. A serious bargain compared to Clemens.

well said.

a-rod should retire as a yankee imo, what better club to break all types of records and be able to be in the same sentence as the yank legends.

and LOL @ clemens. waste of mad loot imo i was dyin when they announced he got cut cuz he couldnt get the job done...lol if youre young leaving cuz you pulled something is sympathetic. not when youre 45 and been wack.

We won't find out anything until the org. knows what everyone is going to do for 08. It will be well after the series before you hear any more about who's staying or leaving.

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Originally posted by llavoe We won't find out anything until the org. knows what everyone is going to do for 08. It will be well after the series before you hear any more about who's staying or leaving.

No it won't, Arod has until nov 9th (i think) to opt out of the contract. (i misstated before when i said that we had 9 days)

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 No it won't, Arod has until nov 9th (i think) to opt out of the contract. (i misstated before when i said that we had 9 days)

FYI* the series is over Nov 1st... 8 days before Arod has to make a choice. And I bet even that will be delayed.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 No it won't, Arod has until nov 9th (i think) to opt out of the contract. (i misstated before when i said that we had 9 days)

thought a-rod had until the 10th day after the world series is over

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Originally posted by trunks1022 thought a-rod had until the 10th day after the world series is over

he could, i'm throwing out approximate dates.

I couldn't have pictured a much better Sox start to the alcs then what is happening right now.

Manny is so in the zone it's scary.

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Originally posted by djstopngo I couldn't have pictured a much better Sox start to the alcs then what is happening right now. Manny is so in the zone it's scary.

The only part i caught was when sabathia fell apart....walking in manny, wtf is that from a supposed cy young contender. he didn't look good against the yankees, and obviously he wasn't good today. To be honest, i wouldn't mind seing a colorado v boston series. I'm interested to see the results from the back end of the boston rotation. Also, i wonder if Clevelands momentum was destroyed by beckett. If so, beckett will also be the MVP for boston. It seems to me he has been getting better.

Was cleveland ever in the situation where they could have scored with a 2 out hit? Is that success over?

Ben, you must have been steaming mad when you saw Gagne enter the game. I was laughing when i saw gagne strut onto the field.

Why does francona bring him into the game?


EDIT: Go Borowski, he's from my hometown.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 Ben, you must have been steaming mad when you saw Gagne enter the game. I was laughing when i saw gagne strut onto the field. Why does francona bring him into the game? EDIT: Go Borowski, he's from my hometown.

As soon as he took the mound I knew it was gonna be a problem...I'm dissapointed though at ortiz,,manny and lowell for trying to hunt for glory rather than just get the ball in play....

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Originally posted by steven-neil As soon as he took the mound I knew it was gonna be a problem...I'm dissapointed though at ortiz,,manny and lowell for trying to hunt for glory rather than just get the ball in play....

i haven't been watching the entire game, just the 9th inning. I knew it was going to be trouble also.....man, how that inning just fell apart. i almost feel bad for those fans in boston.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 i haven't been watching the entire game, just the 9th inning. I knew it was going to be trouble also.....man, how that inning just fell apart. i almost feel bad for those fans in boston.

Nixon did the damage and that's the irony of it all...13-6 ffs...

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Originally posted by steven-neil Nixon did the damage and that's the irony of it all...13-6 ffs...

that's the beauty in life. They dicked over Nixon (i hope i'm thinking of the right player), and he came back and screwed them.

EDIT: Looks like this is going to be a good series after all.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 Ben, you must have been steaming mad when you saw Gagne enter the game. I was laughing when i saw gagne strut onto the field. Why does francona bring him into the game? EDIT: Go Borowski, he's from my hometown.

When the Sox brought Delcarmen in early I called my friend in Boston and said "you know what this means, right?" and he said, "Yeah, if the game goes into extras Tito will have to bring in Gagne."

My buddies and I have made plans to kidnap his son, Maddox Gagne, and hold him hostage with the terms being that we'll release him if and only if Gagne cuts off his pitching arm before the start of game 3.

Dice-K followed by Wake, I'm very worried.

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Originally posted by djstopngo When the Sox brought Delcarmen in early I called my friend in Boston and said "you know what this means, right?" and he said, "Yeah, if the game goes into extras Tito will have to bring in Gagne." My buddies and I have made plans to kidnap his son, Maddox Gagne, and hold him hostage with the terms being that we'll release him if and only if Gagne cuts off his pitching arm before the start of game 3. Dice-K followed by Wake, I'm very worried.

LMAO...Gagne is like the Yankees tenth man...To think that when you signed the dude Cashman said that "this is a bad day for NYY"......

You could cut the atmosphere in my house with a knife last night...I had to sleep in the living room...When Gagne came to the mound I knew very well that my marriage was gonna go "tits up" for at least 24 hours...

Report: Steinbrenner giving up control of Yankees

NEW YORK (Ticker) - The George Steinbrenner era is apparently all but over.

According to a report in the New York Post, the "Boss" has handed over control of the New York Yankees to his sons Hank and Hal Steinbrenner as he faces up to declining health.

George Steinbrenner, 77, was seldom seen at Yankee Stadium this season, attending only three games as his health kept him away.


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