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Posted by Matt on Jan-26-2004 21:47:

MK-S vs. Nickson - Don't Send The Letter!!!


but anyways...

Rob: congrats on your huge success. You definitely a producer on the rise.

Hopefully one day my own track 'A Leo Lost' will get some attention... when I finish the damn thing.


Posted by CrackedLcd on Feb-19-2004 01:32:

Pretty good tune. Nice lush sound to it.


Posted by Gotcha85 on Feb-20-2004 09:12:

Im not saying this too much, but this track really owns me!!

The kick is just so freakin' awesome and those synths oooooooooooh

What track/remix is gonna be at the flipside btw?


Posted by Gotcha85 on Feb-20-2004 09:13:

doublepost


Posted by Gotcha85 on Feb-20-2004 09:13:

doubledoublepost fs

and no im not asking for attention


Posted by Shade on Grey on Feb-20-2004 14:48:

quote:
What track/remix is gonna be at the flipside btw?


Maybe MK-S remix?


Posted by Frase on Feb-20-2004 23:33:

Very well produced track, not one that will stick with me all year however,

but the pads sound like a rip off of Darren Tate vs Jono Grant - Noccy Creatures


Posted by Gotcha85 on Feb-21-2004 09:40:

I don't think they are ripped off because both tunes sound totally different imo, even though their melodies might be pretty much the same....


Posted by RJOllos on Feb-21-2004 11:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Shade on Grey
Maybe MK-S remix?


From Robert Nickson's website:

Robert Nickson
Spiral
(Alucard's Star Ocean Mix)

Robert Nickson
Spiral
(Factoria Remix)

Robert Nickson
Spiral
(MK-S Remix)


Posted by Frase on Feb-21-2004 15:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Gotcha85
I don't think they are ripped off because both tunes sound totally different imo, even though their melodies might be pretty much the same....


i didnt say the whole tune was ripped off, i was merely mentioning the pads


Posted by MK-S on Feb-22-2004 18:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Shade on Grey
Maybe MK-S remix?



Posted by Jocker on Mar-01-2004 03:56:

mk-s remix is a blast!!!
when it's gonna be released (if not already)?


Posted by raditz on Mar-01-2004 08:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Jocker
mk-s remix is a blast!!!
when it's gonna be released (if not already)?


according to the upcoming releases it will be out tomorrow (today?) March 1st


Posted by RJOllos on Mar-01-2004 11:31:

quote:
Originally posted by raditz
according to the upcoming releases it will be out tomorrow (today?) March 1st


The armada website says March 8th.


Posted by NoisyNeil on Mar-01-2004 16:05:

King Robert Nickson - Spiral (Original)

That's a real trance track that you couldn't miss in your collection of records
If you didn't hear it yet, and can only say 1 thing: LISTEN IT AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!!


Posted by Jocker on Mar-01-2004 17:17:

Re: Robert Nickson - Spiral (Original)

quote:
Originally posted by NoisyNeil
LISTEN IT AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!!


i'm gonna listen to it at 78 rpm. is it fast enough?


Posted by NoisyNeil on Mar-01-2004 17:42:

haha, sorry I meant that you have to listen it as soon as possible


Posted by Plastick on Mar-05-2004 05:22:

Im loving robert nickson's works including this


Posted by farley on Mar-05-2004 05:42:

Only-DJs has this today, so Chem and the others should be getting it soon...


Posted by djrenco on Mar-06-2004 10:21:

the MK-S Remix is amazing


Posted by Nell on Mar-06-2004 13:21:

quote:
Originally posted by State of Matter
Hmmm. Threw the robert nickson - spiral melody and the darren tate vs jono grant - nocturnal creatures melody on a pad. Compare:

http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/elec...tter/spiral.mp3
http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/elec...l_creatures.mp3

Im not casting stones, just making observations. Robert's a talented producer, it mighta just been a coincidence.

The other synth melody sounds almost exactly the same too, as does the synth sound.


Tony Mcguiness from A&B has listend to the samples apparently and here's what he said:

quote:

If someone writes a melody and it gets published, the copyright in that idea belongs to the publisher.
If someone else copies the melody it is an infringement of copyright.
Claiming you never heard the original is no defence in law.
So coincidence or otherwise, if it sounds like someone else's song you are duty bound to give credit (written and financial) to the copyright owner.
If you look at the writing credits of Matt Darey's Beautiful you'll see the names Jones and Simmons, the coiners of the phrase "You are beautiful within, you are beautiful without" which Matt knicked. And he was caught red handed.


and here's what jono grant said afterwards:

quote:

In music law, the only real consideration is the lead melody (or "top line")and lyrics. In the case of an instrumental trance track, you are generally looking at the main riff section, the theme of the song. A part that gives the song its true identity. Counter melodies don't normally count. If the top line of this is the similar to something else, then you're in trouble, no matter what chords you have underneath.

A musicologist may begin to take into consideration genre to bolster their argument. For example, it would be a little easier to bring a case against one trance track copying another trance track than a rock track copying a trance track.

As Tony says, "not having heard the original track" isn't a valid excuse for copying something.
We are influenced all the time, when we turn on the radio, go into a shop with music playing, or dance in club. Music isn't like TV - you can look away from a TV, but it's pretty hard to avoid hearing music when it's playing near you.


quote:

it would be harder to sue someone over just chords. The binary finary chords have been used over and over again - it's like the 12 bar blues of trance! It's top line melody. If you copied the riff of binary finary nearly note for note, then you'd be in trouble.


that clears that up!

-Nell


Posted by mentalbarter on Mar-06-2004 15:54:

its only those specific parts of the 2 tracks that sound the sam-ish
the 2 songs progress differently, and emphasize that meoldy differently so i dont think they're overly alike
interesting observation tho


Posted by 8Wonders on Mar-06-2004 19:47:

Pointless discussion, Robert already changed the melody of it.


Posted by Nell on Mar-07-2004 20:12:

quote:
Originally posted by DC-
Pointless discussion, Robert already changed the melody of it.


no it wasnt pointless. your comment was pointless tbh. people are interested in music, music law, and this particular case. Obviously it was a coincidence and it was interesting to see that 2/3 of above & beyond gave their 2 cents on the topic in general.


Posted by RJOllos on Mar-08-2004 11:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Nell
no it wasnt pointless. your comment was pointless tbh. people are interested in music, music law, and this particular case. Obviously it was a coincidence and it was interesting to see that 2/3 of above & beyond gave their 2 cents on the topic in general.


Don't mind him ... some people like to point out how worthless they think other peoples posts are; makes them feel good about themselves or something. I found the quotes from A&B interesting nonetheless.


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