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Did he get his?

WHAT???

So you are saying that its ok to spend as much as you can as long as you get laid? Sorry but homie dont work this way.

Girls know full well that there are guys that think like you do which is why they (everyone say it with me) LEAD YOU ON.

If you arent a sucker and they still hang out with you then she wants you for you and not for what she thinks you have. There are good girls like that out there still but they are becoming less and less. Especially noticable within the 25 and under crowd. The princess/bitch pride thing is also worrisome.

Since when is "little miss princess" and "bitch" supposed to be a compliment??

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Originally posted by Skipper The only way to prove these things is through anonymous studies because talking about salary in the workplace is so taboo.

thats not neccerarily true anymore, in my personal experience with my work mates, we swap salary, stock option, course/education info all the time over lunch. Maybe becuause we're all still fairly fresh out of school and such, but I dunno, we're fairly comfortable with it. There isnt much to hide when there are public postings of your job and alike detailing how much yuo make and such on the company internal job posting website.

We also don't get jelous and such if one of us is making more then the other. Its all about bringing each other up rather then putting them down.

I don't spoil my gf financially, I spoil her sexually. This works amazing.

As for the equal pay thing: I don't know which studies to believe, they'er probably all skewed to some degree. What I will believe is common sense. Common sense says to me that if a woman could be hired to do the same amount of work for less cost, there would be very few men working. Financially, that makes the employer a moron paying a man more to do the same. Employers who practice this type of sexism will be less competetive in the marketplace and will eventually die out.

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Originally posted by DJ Ski I don't spoil my gf financially, I spoil her sexually. This works amazing.

hi there

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Dating: Why wont you girls admit that there are way too many women out there taking advantage of way too many "men".

Can you give some stats that prove what you are saying here??

You want statistics that women earn less, well I want statistics that show that "way too many women" are taking advantage of men.

All girls I've known always offered to pay. I have yet to encounter a a girl who would never pay for anything.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Dating: Why wont you girls admit that there are way too many women out there taking advantage of way too many "men".

WOW!

This is bullshit, if guys let the girl take advantage of them, then really it's their own fault. (I'm not trying to justify anything here but...) If it's bothering the guy, then stand up and be a man and say something don't sit there and whine about being taken advantage of. I definitley DO NOT think that "there are way too many women out there taking advantage of way too many men"!!

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Originally posted by Durafei Can you give some stats that prove what you are saying here?? You want statistics that women earn less, well I want statistics that show that "way too many women" are taking advantage of men. All girls I've known always offered to pay. I have yet to encounter a a girl who would never pay for anything.

You need stats to know that there are a lot of women out there that date guys for their money? common... Some women marry guys just for their money.

i'm with you tho, the girls ive gone out with all offered to pay... but there are others that expect the man to thats for sure.

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Originally posted by High on PSI You need stats to know that there are a lot of women out there that date guys for their money? common... Some women marry guys just for their money.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. JayX doesn't believe that women earn less, and he wants credible stats that prove that.

I don't believe that women are taking advantage of men, and I want credible stats for it That's all !

this thread is getting personal and offtopic

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe We also don't get jelous and such if one of us is making more then the other. Its all about bringing each other up rather then putting them down.

Beh, that makes you sound so naive.

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Originally posted by Durafei I'm just playing devil's advocate here. JayX doesn't believe that women earn less, and he wants credible stats that prove that. I don't believe that women are taking advantage of men, and I want credible stats for it That's all !

my bad then

but i htink Jayx1 has a point... when it comes to ppl salaries, really how do we know? Im not sayin the dont make less im not sayin they do... but what ur sayin isnt really the same, its more clear cut.

Personally, i dont really see that women make less than men... thats jsut from my own personal experiences tho

perhaps these stats will help you guys, - even though i still don't believe that women's lower income level has anything to do with the topic of the thread. but go on ...here are the facts as collected by Canadian Stats:

http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/labor01a.htm


http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/labour.htm
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/labor56a.htm

http://142.206.72.67/02/02e/02e_008b_e.htm

"...on average, women still earn less than men. The hourly wage paid to women in 2001 was only 82% of that paid to men. This earnings gap widens even further with average annual earnings: women working full time, full year in 2001, for example, pulled in only 72% of what their male counterparts did."

http://www11.sdc.gc.ca/en/cs/sp/sac...31/page09.shtml

"WOMEN'S EARNINGS REMAIN SUBSTANTIALLY BELOW MEN'S
In 1998, earnings of employed women in Canada averaged $22,000, 64% of men's average earnings for the same year ($34,200).

Part of the reason for women's lower earnings is that they are much more likely than men to work part time. However, even when only full-time, full-year employees are considered, the wage gap persists. In 1998, women in full-time, full-year positions earned an average of $32,600, 72% of the average of $45,100 earned by their male counterparts.

I feel one needn't worry about etiquette as a general rule, because everyone is different.

As a woman, it is nice to be treated from a guy that I really like. I feel I can't accept a person paying if the date went nowhere.

I also love to treat, I love to make my guy feel great as well, and in all three long term relationships I've had, this has been a reciprocal sentiment.

In university we were so poor we couldn't afford dinners; a lavish treat would be getting souvlakis at Arahova.

What I appreciate, to this day is that we don't keep track, we share everything- and I apply the same code of ethics with dear friends. And we treat each other in any order we please.

I realise first dates are different, and I always prepare to pay, because I feel it is wrong to assume the other person will pick up the tab. But I won't put up a fuss if they want to pick it up; some guys really like to treat, and that's okay too. I believe that ultimately, everyone feels differently about this topic; it doesn't mean one is worse than the other, we all have varying sentiments that should be respected

That's what I think.

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Originally posted by disko-kandi perhaps these stats will help you guys, - even though i still don't believe that women's lower income level has anything to do with the topic of the thread. but go on ...here are the facts as collected by Canadian Stats: http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/labor01a.htm http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/labour.htm http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/labor56a.htm http://142.206.72.67/02/02e/02e_008b_e.htm "...on average, women still earn less than men. The hourly wage paid to women in 2001 was only 82% of that paid to men. This earnings gap widens even further with average annual earnings: women working full time, full year in 2001, for example, pulled in only 72% of what their male counterparts did." http://www11.sdc.gc.ca/en/cs/sp/sac...31/page09.shtml "WOMEN'S EARNINGS REMAIN SUBSTANTIALLY BELOW MEN'S In 1998, earnings of employed women in Canada averaged $22,000, 64% of men's average earnings for the same year ($34,200). Part of the reason for women's lower earnings is that they are much more likely than men to work part time. However, even when only full-time, full-year employees are considered, the wage gap persists. In 1998, women in full-time, full-year positions earned an average of $32,600, 72% of the average of $45,100 earned by their male counterparts.

you can't take average income to indicate that women are earning less. you have to take men and women on the same job, same qualifications etc.

I've looked for this a little bit and this is the bext I could find, taking most of those factors into account:

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba392/ba392.pdf

I'm not sure its the best data or will resolve any arguments on here but if it can help even a little its a bonus

I find it amusing that when I started going out with my woman that both of us insisted on paying.

now... 9 months later, "how about you pay for it?"

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Originally posted by Ashley I definitley DO NOT think that "there are way too many women out there taking advantage of way too many men"!!

Are you over the age of 25?

If a man can or won't pay for a date he should either get a job or find a new woman.

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Originally posted by USMC_Greg I find it amusing that when I started going out with my woman that both of us insisted on paying. now... 9 months later, "how about you pay for it?"

ha ha.. too funny

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Originally posted by disko-kandi "...on average, women still earn less than men. The hourly wage paid to women in 2001 was only 82% of that paid to men. This earnings gap widens even further with average annual earnings: women working full time, full year in 2001, for example, pulled in only 72% of what their male counterparts did."

Just because women make less than men, doesn't mean that women make less than men for the same job. Wrong stat Silke .

Even though this thread has really gone off on a tangent, I think we all collectively agree that men shouldn't be expected to pay for the date. I don't see anyone agruing otherwise. Now we're just arguing about inequalities in the workplace.

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Originally posted by timmyboy you can't take average income to indicate that women are earning less. you have to take men and women on the same job, same qualifications etc.

i understand your point but tell that to StatsCan. it's not my research.

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Originally posted by disko-kandi i understand your point but tell that to StatsCan. it's not my research.

oh im not blaming you or statscan for that matter.. i looked at that stat before but they are comparing apples and oranges almost

"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that." - man wiser than me said that once

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Originally posted by The Highroller Just because women make less than men, doesn't mean that women make less than men for the same job. Wrong stat Silke .

ok show me the right stats then, Graaaham!

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Originally posted by PartEgurl There is nothing I hate more then people making assumptions ! Thanks for defending me Dave !

hahaha!! Dave the Defender!! ...

well, anyhow, perhaps you should portay what u say differently cos this is the impression i got from your choice of words!

"My boyfriend pays for everything, and I mean everything!! He won't even let me pay for starbucks! Every dinner, movie, everything. I offer to pay, he won't let me at all.

quite the emphasis, no? it makes it look like you don't have a choice ... that's what i'm saying!


BUT on a more positive note, - if you're truly happy with your relationship as you say, i'm happy for you! sorry for the misunderstanding.

I work alone!

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Originally posted by DigitalMP I work alone!

George Thorogood and the Destroyers drink alone....

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