TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Music Discussion
-- Lowlife MP3 illegal downloaders!!!!
Pages (9): « 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 9 »

Same reason there are so many djs.
The love of doing it, and ifit takes off you can make good money. Luck,hard work, right place+ right time. Knowing your records and knowing your market.
Its the same theory

theyre a way of life now, and sadly people dont see the good side of them. the fact ur tracks are promoted for free all over the world, listened to people who then buy the record. for every one person who downloads the track and would of actually bought the record in the first place and didnt, there is about 10 who would never of heard/bought the record did buy it.

people either download for convienience but never would have bought anyway - or hear the track, like it and buy it.

agreed -^

this is my conclusion of this matter:

in the EDM scene now-a-days, producers will not make money by just producing. the music you produce will make you popular and give you a chance to go on tour as a dj or a live act. seriously, i dont think dj/producers make much money on their productions anymore, its just used to gain popularity so they can boost their DJing career.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lowlife MP3 illegal downloaders!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Tranceguy1 So what your saying is...you wanted a free listen before spending your cash, meaning if you hadn't liked either CD, you wouldn't have gone out and bought them? Back in the day there were no "free listens" you had to buy the album THEN decide if it was trash. So I'm sorry but thats still part of the problem, not the solution.

You damn right I wanted a free listen. mp3 samples aren't good enough for some people. Some 64kb sample that only lasts 30 seconds is not going to hold me over. And cdnow.com only lets you sample the first 5 tracks of an album or so. If I have access to a free listen you better believe I'm going to give it a go. It would be stupid not to from the buyers standpoint. The fact of the matter is that after giving each of these albums the once or twice over, I DID buy them despite the fact that I had high quality rips of them on my HDD.

You're right, back in the day you didn't have a free listen. Sucks to have lived back in the day. I friggin hate it when you buy an album to support an artist only to find out that their entire album sucks ass and the only song which was worth a go was the one which got air time on the radio. Honestly there are many albums that had I got a free listen, there is no way in hell I would have bought because the single would have been good enough for me. I buy, but I only buy what my ears deem quality. You want me to drop $15 or more on your CD, as an artist you better be working your ass off to produce quality choonage because when I'm in the music store, my hard earned dollars are about to become your hard earned dollars.

You criticize me and say that sampling the album is part of the problem. Well in your opinion that's fine, but in my opinion both sides won out. The artist got money from my pocket, and I got a couple of CDs which I really liked knowing ahead of time that I wouldn't be kicking myself in the ass for having spent over $100 on a few albums that weren't worth the cash. You say it's unfair that I got a free listen. I say it's unfair when an artist puts out a shit album and the only quality track is the one that makes the livesets or mainstream etc...

Freak & Frase,

I think you probably get the impression that I am the scum of the earth for downloading, so let me rephrase. Like I said before, I use mp3's as a gateway to discover new and different music. If I like something I download, I'll buy it. It may not be right away, but I do add it to my want list. As of right now though, I need to prioritize my money for college. $400 for books is not cheap. So, what do you want: for me to stop listening to EDM if I'm going to download it, or to download, listen, and buy when I get the chance?

I am only a bedroom dj, not a fully working club dj. Therefore, that sort of limits myself a bit. I would "step up my game", and I plan to, as I will have much more free time this year in college. See, I don't get sent promos and white labels like many of you. I'm not of that calibur of dj'ing yet. Sure, I could order some, but many new tracks as of late have not really sparked my interest. Many of the older tracks I am hunting for and those are the ones I am talking about being out of stock, not brand new releases. Ebay is where I turn for most of my music, btw. Also, maybe my taste in music has something to do with it. See, I am into deep house & lo-fi (ie. Timewriter & Sven van Hees) and deep, dark progressive. Please consider that some of this type of material is not circulated as well as the Armin/Tiesto type trance.

I am not "forced" to resort to mp3's, I was just using Chris Fortier's track as an example, seeing as how that track will probably never get a release.

Also, realize that I live in Central Pennsylvania, Harrisburg to be exact. I can't go crate digging even though I would love to.

One last thing, please consider the term "frame of reference". I'm telling you like it is for me, of course it's different for both of you guys, you live in a country where dance music prospers. For me, those things I said in my last post are my reasons. It's just the same, I don't run a record label, so I don't have a frame of reference in that area. I still can't see though, why you criticize me. I do buy my music and will continue doing so.

Well to be honest intrique you've just said it all here:

quote:

I need to prioritize my money for college. $400 for books is not cheap.

Then something has to sacrifice doesn't it?

I want a new car, i have to save up to have that new car so i sacrifice something to achieve the car if you follow.

All im hearing still is excuses, i cant do it because of this that and the other. Chemical Records does excellent delivery to the states and i know of a couple of American vinyl sites with up to date stock.

I'm a bedroom DJ too. However my passion for trance music is strong, the tunes i buy supports the artists and the labels to produce & release fantastic music in the future so my passion for the scene remains.

And the line of it not being released, is frustrating, i can understand that. However its again the self pretentious thought of that its peoples god given right to listen to other peoples productions. To explain it in simple terms....

Take Trance music and think about it as works of art. Now to see the art you'd have to pay to go into a museum.

Thats the bit people fail to realise.

Sorry guyz and gals there is absolutely positively no way any of you (Big/Small reocod companies) will be able to stop illegal mp3's for the fact that you need to distribute promos and such to promote your releases. Sad really, but not even Metallica can put a dent in this!!!.....honestly, and I say this with humbleness, what makes you think 2 or 3 label companies can stop this???

Brutal Facts!

MArio

In a way I think it's good that people are including songs like that in their mixes even if they didnt get a promo copy of the vinyl, it still gets airplay and recognition across various online radio stations or from people who download a mix and go "oo I wanna buy that on vinyl" ...

Forgot to mention before, you must remember that not all "mp3 downloaders" have no intentions of buying the song(s) on vinyl.

I download mp3s sometimes via various methods and I have EVERY intention of buying the song(s) on 12" if I like them.

You cannot beat 12"s at the end of the day, in a way I can understand the average trancelover wants to listen to stuff on his IPOD if he's on a trip or something and wants to hear the latest stuff and/or cant afford to buy vinyls at �7 a time which is how it is for us UK people....

quote:

Originally posted by Frase I'm a bedroom DJ too. However my passion for trance music is strong, the tunes i buy supports the artists and the labels to produce & release fantastic music in the future so my passion for the scene remains.

A bit harsh, don't you think? You don't even know me personally. My passion is strong as hell, just like yours. Why would I have invested $3000 into dj equipment if it wasn't? I buy when I can, but apparentely that is not good enough for people. I don't purchase 30+ records a week like some people. I buy what I like, and support the artists that I like. If I hear something, no matter how I hear it, that I don't like, I won't buy it. Plain and simple. I don't dj with mp3's either, in case you want to know, as I am not into the cd dj'ing yet.

The bottom line is that mp3's are used for me to decide what to buy and what not to buy. Disagree with that if you want, but I'm sorry, that's how I do things. The mp3's are out there, blame the release groups, not me. It is a simple way to discover new tunes.

I don't know how else to explain myself. You yourself agree with me, money needs to be prioritized. Then why the pissy attitude if my ways of learning about EDM and my buying habits are different than yours? I still don't understand where you get off calling all my reasons "excuses".

I've been a member on tranceaddict since day one... i remember before they even had a forum here this site was just a small mp3 site, offering trance tracks...



I find it Ironic mp3 bashers are trying to spread the word about anti mp3, and promoting their record label, on a site that for over a year dealt with pretty much just mp3 downloads....

quote:

Originally posted by BigTongue I've been a member on tranceaddict since day one... i remember before they even had a forum here this site was just a small mp3 site, offering trance tracks... I find it Ironic mp3 bashers are trying to spread the word about anti mp3, and promoting their record label, on a site that for over a year dealt with pretty much just mp3 downloads....

there's much more to TA than just the MP3'age that used to be there this is the best place on the earth to chat about the most wonderful music on this earth!

quote:

Originally posted by DJ Intrigue A bit harsh, don't you think? You don't even know me personally. My passion is strong as hell, just like yours. Why would I have invested $3000 into dj equipment if it wasn't? I buy when I can, but apparentely that is not good enough for people. I don't purchase 30+ records a week like some people. I buy what I like, and support the artists that I like. If I hear something, no matter how I hear it, that I don't like, I won't buy it. Plain and simple. I don't dj with mp3's either, in case you want to know, as I am not into the cd dj'ing yet. The bottom line is that mp3's are used for me to decide what to buy and what not to buy. Disagree with that if you want, but I'm sorry, that's how I do things. The mp3's are out there, blame the release groups, not me. It is a simple way to discover new tunes. I don't know how else to explain myself. You yourself agree with me, money needs to be prioritized. Then why the pissy attitude if my ways of learning about EDM and my buying habits are different than yours? I still don't understand where you get off calling all my reasons "excuses".

Ok, Apologies for the harshness, that was silly of me to assume your passion isnt there. The reasons you give are all, "but this" and "but that" hence why they appear as excuses to me. In my opinion i full rip of a tune doesn't sit with me very good. If your a bedroom dj like myself, the most you need is the lead up to before the break. The breakdown itself and after the break. Not the full rip imo.

Live sets or radio shows imo are a more acceptable way of hearing music upfront, they'res plenty out there and with the new tracks on, but still not ripping off the artists as such.

Release groups are a different kettle of fish, they have no morals. Hence why the people who listen to the music need to understand the insides out of how it does affect the industry, may not in financial terms, but the long term effects it could lead to labels/artists. There being some others could stop the chain at some point with sharing the copyrighted material about it.

As ive stated already once in this thread, whenever you chaps get a tune signed or actually work at or start up a record label, then you'll realise the headaches and hardwork which goes into it for you guys to enjoy EDM.

Thanks again guys for all your comments on this subject. I find many of your answers interesting!!

But no matter which way you put it or what excuse's you make, Downloading from sharegroups is illegal... how many of you drive a car without insurance because you can't afford it!!!! Exactly.. you don't.. you save.. same theory..

And for your info.. I have never and will never download music from the net.. of any genre..

In response to the point about the money.. this is not about the artist who made the track... they are not putting �100's into pressing / mastering / promoting etc etc.. it's us.. the small record labels who do it.

I see that this discussion will go-on for some time now.. I just hope it can make a small difference!!

Andy

quote:

Originally posted by bagguley But no matter which way you put it or what excuse's you make, Downloading from sharegroups is illegal... how many of you drive a car without insurance because you can't afford it!!!! Exactly.. you don't.. you save.. same theory..

Not trying to be harsh in any way, but that is a really bad analogy. If downloading music and driving without insurance were on the same level of the penalty scale, there'd be a hell of a lot less people downloading music.

quote:

Originally posted by bagguley In response to the point about the money.. this is not about the artist who made the track... they are not putting �100's into pressing / mastering / promoting etc etc.. it's us.. the small record labels who do it. I see that this discussion will go-on for some time now.. I just hope it can make a small difference!!

no one gives a fuck about the label man, seriously. i love a&b, smith&pledger, and Super8... but i don't honestly give a fuck about anjunabeats and their 'vinyl pressing'. quit bitching dude, people respect artists for their music, not the labels out their sweating and toiling over new releases.

oh, and you can 'hope' all you wan't, you've made no difference.

quote:

Originally posted by KidConscious no one gives a fuck about the label man, seriously. i love a&b, smith&pledger, and Super8... but i don't honestly give a fuck about anjunabeats and their 'vinyl pressing'. quit bitching dude, people respect artists for their music, not the labels out their sweating and toiling over new releases. oh, and you can 'hope' all you wan't, you've made no difference.

You really are a fucking tool. It's tossers like you & your attitude which fucking bring a bad name to this place

I take that offensively, I worked at Anjunabeats for 3 months. Not only do they slog their guts off to produce music aswell as get the label going. Being a small label themselves its difficult enough. This is what's given me the line of thought i have now, and im glad it has.

The fact of the matter is that if it werent for the labels you wouldnt hear the tunes today. They provide the medium it comes out on.

Do yourself a favour, do a little more research into the logistics and come back and present your opinion with some common sense and some intelligence. Because you lack both currently.

quote:

Originally posted by KidConscious no one gives a fuck about the label man, seriously. i love a&b, smith&pledger, and Super8... but i don't honestly give a fuck about anjunabeats and their 'vinyl pressing'. quit bitching dude, people respect artists for their music, not the labels out their sweating and toiling over new releases. oh, and you can 'hope' all you wan't, you've made no difference.

LOL. Well at least you're honest. While you did put it rather bluntly, what you said is true for many people who listen to music (or watch movies for that matter). It's always about what can be seen. No one cares much for the people behind the scenes except for a few devotees and those really interested. That's the way it's always been and while it isn't fair, many things in both the movie and music industry aren't. Like paying $20 for an album.

As for the comment, I agree. I doubt this will have little if any impact on the choices people make regarding the sharing of music via mp3s. The only difference this thread made was that it made me curious to see if the track was even worth all the fuss in the first place. FWIW both the original and Filo & Perry Mixes get a thumbs up from me.

quote:

Originally posted by KidConscious no one gives a fuck about the label man, seriously. i love a&b, smith&pledger, and Super8... but i don't honestly give a fuck about anjunabeats and their 'vinyl pressing'. quit bitching dude, people respect artists for their music, not the labels out their sweating and toiling over new releases. oh, and you can 'hope' all you wan't, you've made no difference.

your an absolute tard. if it wasnt for anjunabeats you may have never heard the likes of a&b, smith adn pledger, endre, MDJ, super8 at all. they work their bollocks off there. and people do care about the label, so your wrong already. fuckin canadian tit-wank.

It's funny that people in ripping groups are on promo lists and get all the new/rare stuff first but any decent person can't get on those lists no matter what.

quote:

Originally posted by Digital Rain It's funny that people in ripping groups are on promo lists and get all the new/rare stuff first but any decent person can't get on those lists no matter what.

What's funny is that release group members are on promo lists, period. This is just asking for leaks, and since ripping music is all the groups were created for, that would have to be a red flag. There again, it's the responsibility of the label/producer to make sure what people are getting the tracks.

It does suck though, that promo lists are pretty much only for the priveledged people in the scene.

i always wondered why the labels have such a huge gap between sending out the promos and releasing the actual release? if the djs will like it, they will play it right off, if they don't - they won't start in a month, nor in a year. so why not release tracks earlier, when the interest to them is still hot?

and why not completely switch to digital downloads? (only the real hard-headed examples of djs have "devotefully" stayed with vinyl medium as the only "true" medium for "true" djs, with even pvd playing off final scratch). you will get the same profit margin with much lower retail price (because no "vinyl pressing" and other costs will be involved) - and, therefore, much more demand. plus there will be no such term as "unsold copies". you have to understand that once the track is out, it will be ripped (sooner or later), so there is no way to stop this. and all those who download track don't automatically classify as potential customers - most of them would never buy the tune anyway.

also, why not give out radio versions of the tracks for free? nobody buys singles because of them (if not in the album) anyway, and you will have people appreciating what you are doing (and some of them buying the full versions just being grateful).

that's just a couple of advances you can try. remember, we are in the 21st century, and the ways people do business have changed. you have to adapt to changes in order to get profit, or you can whine and do nothing (nothing that improves your business processes constantly, that is) and sink.

maybe if you would send out more copies people would not have to download!

it's not the filesharers fault you make this great fucking track and they become obsessed with it.

Everyone has missed the point...

The issue here for a lot of people isn't that filesharing is free. We are not idiots. We like the music, and we want to support the people who make it.

The issue is access.

Look say people are raving about song X. How do I get to hear it? Well I can try and track it down in a liveset. Scan the liveset for wherever the song is located and then listen to it. If I want to listen to it again because it was interesting, then I have to hunt around for the start of it etc.

Now let's assume after a couple of listens I decide that this song is worthy of ownership. I WANT TO GIVE YOU MONEY. What can I do?

Option 1: Wait X months for it to appear on vinyl.

Option 2: Wait X months for it to appear on a cd compilation.

Yes in 1510-1995 a compilation or vinyl was a legitimate way of distributing music BUT I hate to break it to all you vinyl/cd lovers out there... PHYSICAL DISTRIBUTION OF MUSIC SUCKS! If I want a cd then honestly I can handle the 50 cents and 2 minutes it takes to make one on my computer...

Its the age of bits and bytes, and as filesharing so obviously proves INTERNET DISTRIBUTION is the ONLY option. ANY, I repeat ANY attempt to compete with Internet Distribution with some form of PHYSICAL distribution is ludicrous. If you don't agree with that then get out of the thread, cause that very fact is the reason this thread exists!

***

If you want my business. And i'm very willing to spend a couple hundred bucks a year on music then this is one suggestion as to how to get it.

1) You offer every song immediately for FREE in 96kps format... the second its released on promo. If people are talking about a song, then there is absolutely no reason why I should have to find it in a live set, or wait till the next episode of ASOT is on in the hopes its played. That's dinosaur thinking. You have a song that is supposed to be good, then let me listen to it without any hassles. There is no reason why I should have to jump through any hoops to try your product.

2) You offer every song immediately for a FAIR PRICE in a high bit rate (pop songs go for .99 cents as a comparison) the second its released on promo. Again, why should I have to wait any time to give you money once your music is out there? How do I benefit by being forced to only hear your music on the radio? Or by being forced to wait 6 months and buy it with 9 other songs I could care less about. That's dinosaur logic. I've tasted your product. I like what I've tasted so let me buy the damned thing.

3) You do 1 and 2 at one convenient website where I don't have to worry about hunting around between different labels trying to figure out who is offering the song and who isn't.

***

That's the only logical solution. Your competing with ACCESS and PRICE. Physical distribution will NEVER compete with access so its pointless to look for solutions there, and by definition physical distribution costs more than digital so its a lose lose proposition. Ignore that logic at your own peril...

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.