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Posted by Floorfiller on Sep-14-2004 16:17:

quote:
Originally posted by tranceaholic
i was making a general statement about something i noticed on the forum..and usually people of religion rarely attack each other not publicly atleast lol

i seem to remember a big ass thread entitled..."why aetheism is false"

Posted by Slylee on Sep-14-2004 16:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
It's not a matter of respecting it, it's a matter of discussing it. If you don't want to justify or explain your beliefs, then why bring them into the discussion? If you can't prove your beliefs or support them with material evidence, then why do you hold those beliefs? If it's faith, then why do you have faith? If you don't want to discuss your beliefs, then you should leave them out of a discussion.

justify my beliefs? lol that was my whole point...i can't really. the believers are at a disadvantage in this discussion because it's all based on faith (see my definition). i can believe in whatever i want to, and for whatever reason. i just happened to be raised in an irish catholic family and so i was brought up to have God in my life. i'm not a diehard catholic though...in fact i'm pretty ashamed of the catholic church...but that's a whole other story.

i'm just spiritual now...but i do sin every day...i still pray though and try my hardest to do the right thing. i may not have had that choice as a child (chosing not to believe in god), but i've grown into an adult and now i have the freedom to chose whatever belief i want...i'm comfortable believing that there is a higher power and we all exist for a reason beyond our comprehension in this life.

you can beat this till it's beyond dead, and we still won't get anywhere...we'll find out when we die. that's all there is to it.

is that good enough?

Posted by NiteMer on Sep-14-2004 16:22:

Look. I don't care what the establishment known as the "Church" does. Many horrible things have been done over time, in the name of God, wrongly. That's why I don't put much stock in bureaucracies like the Catholic Church. I think that Church is a good thing and fellowship is highly important, but the Crusades, indulgences, etc., were all wrong. I'm not saying there aren't true believers that align themselves with Catholicism. I am just saying that the pope is a mere man/mortal. He is equally flawed as any of us, inately. As far as other beliefs and "hell". That is focusing on the wrong message completely. God's message is about love and forgiveness and sacrifice, not God sending people to hell. That's not how it works. God cannot be with sin. It is a paradox as he is sin free. But if you are offered a gift, you have the choice of whether or not to receive it. Obviously all of you have heard about it, then you make your choice. I am not gonna judge that decision, by any means, but you have the option. If you choose to deny it, you have your own consequences. But, you don't have to worry about that if you're right. I am not telling you what to think.

Posted by tranceaholic on Sep-14-2004 16:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
why is it that we should question everything else in our society but not religion?

i am all for quetioning religion and anything you need clarified but it is more of an attacking that goes on as soon as someone posts thier christian views everybody starts attacking not questioning but more of attacking...over n over again..it gets tired..

quote:
seem to remember a big ass thread entitled..."why aetheism is false"

i am not sure what this refers too

Posted by Floorfiller on Sep-14-2004 16:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
ok, as long as you respect mine, it's all gravy

you could believe that the human race was created by a purple thumb with 4 eyes, and i'd be fine with that...i just might not trust you with my kids

thought this thread needed a stupid pic to lighten things up

Posted by trancebrat on Sep-14-2004 16:27:

quote:
Originally posted by UWM
We all lurve you!

In the TA internet friendship sort of way. I don't want to offend Mr. Bones

Terry is hard to offend. I lurve you too Mr. Lady Defender!

Posted by Mr. Pink on Sep-14-2004 16:27:

we're all doomed

Posted by NiteMer on Sep-14-2004 16:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller

That is exactly what we needed. Some good comic relief.

I knew I could count on you to lighten things up, Jason.

Look, I don't even mind having these discussions. I'm not gonna get all mad, because people don't agree with me. I'm also trying not to offend anyone. I am stating my views and reading others. I see that as healthy.

Tranceholic - You are right, there is some attacking, but don't we know that is our plight?

Posted by UWM on Sep-14-2004 16:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller

thought this thread needed a stupid pic to lighten things up

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Pic of the week!

Posted by Slylee on Sep-14-2004 16:30:

hahahah

you all just wait till wmc (if you're coming)...you're gonna get greeted by a right smack in the ass

with a belt in ff's case....he likes that stuff.

Posted by Floorfiller on Sep-14-2004 16:31:

Posted by UWM on Sep-14-2004 16:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
hahahah

you all just wait till wmc (if you're coming)...you're gonna get greeted by a right smack in the ass

with a belt in ff's case....he likes that stuff.

You know I'm going to be the one smacking your ass.

lol @ the pic J.

Posted by tranceaholic on Sep-14-2004 16:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Nite-Mer

Tranceholic - You are right, there is some attacking, but don't we know that is our plight?

yea it gets tired though..i have been here since 2002 and it is the same over n over again..at first i would debate nicely and post my views..and then everyone attacks with why this why that show me proof..o well part of bein a TA..boy bein a christian USTA u get attacked for being a christian and being an american haha..i still love this place..

Posted by Mr. Pink on Sep-14-2004 16:35:

Will the God thumb be attending WMC this year?

I will be........slylee- will I kindly get a butt slap? pretty plis

and jason- sell those records to pay for the flight, meng!

YOU NEED TO GO!

ps: bring God thumb

Posted by Floorfiller on Sep-14-2004 16:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
with a belt in ff's case....he likes that stuff.

yes he does

Posted by Slylee on Sep-14-2004 16:41:

have any of you seen Steve Oedekerk's thumb movies? the God Thumb and Frankenthumb....

friggin hilarious...specially after smokin a lil WEEED

and we'll all just have a big butt smacking festival pre ultra k?

Posted by NiteMer on Sep-14-2004 16:45:

quote:
Originally posted by tranceaholic
yea it gets tired though..i have been here since 2002 and it is the same over n over again..at first i would debate nicely and post my views..and then everyone attacks with why this why that show me proof..o well part of bein a TA..boy bein a christian USTA u get attacked for being a christian and being an american haha..i still love this place..

Most everyone is just debating and discussing. We're all friends. There are a few that get all hardcore, but it's not worth worrying about.

Posted by NiteMer on Sep-14-2004 16:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
have any of you seen Steve Oedekerk's thumb movies? the God Thumb and Frankenthumb....

friggin hilarious...specially after smokin a lil WEEED

and we'll all just have a big butt smacking festival pre ultra k?

My dumb ass didn't buy a ticket to Ultra last year. We were trying to sell t-shirts, so we sat outside. Definitely planning on attending that event next year.

Posted by trancebrat on Sep-14-2004 16:47:

Posted by tranceaholic on Sep-14-2004 16:51:

quote:
Originally posted by trancebrat
I wouldn�t attack you for either reason.

thanks

Posted by Arbiter on Sep-14-2004 16:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
justify my beliefs? lol that was my whole point...i can't really. the believers are at a disadvantage in this discussion because it's all based on faith (see my definition). i can believe in whatever i want to, and for whatever reason. i just happened to be raised in an irish catholic family and so i was brought up to have God in my life. i'm not a diehard catholic though...in fact i'm pretty ashamed of the catholic church...but that's a whole other story.

i'm just spiritual now...but i do sin every day...i still pray though and try my hardest to do the right thing. i may not have had that choice as a child (chosing not to believe in god), but i've grown into an adult and now i have the freedom to chose whatever belief i want...i'm comfortable believing that there is a higher power and we all exist for a reason beyond our comprehension in this life.

you can beat this till it's beyond dead, and we still won't get anywhere...we'll find out when we die. that's all there is to it.

is that good enough?

If it's good enough for you, then I'll obviously just have to learn to live with it.

But, if you're up to it, I'm still curious about the answer to one question: you say that you have the freedom to choose whatever belief you want - well, why did you choose the one you chose?

Posted by NiteMer on Sep-14-2004 16:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
If it's good enough for you, then I'll obviously just have to learn to live with it.

But, if you're up to it, I'm still curious about the answer to one question: you say that you have the freedom to choose whatever belief you want - well, why did you choose the one you chose?

Don't you realize that this argument just cycles. We tell you, you don't buy it and you ask again. I think it's time to get over this whole discussion.

Edit - Same reason I don't enjoy listening to creation vs. evolution debates. I have plenty. The argument just cycles around. It is never forward moving, and those are two sides well represented by knowledgeable authorities. Here we don't even have the information. If I wanted to spend a bunch of time researching all of the things I have seen or heard to substantiate them, you still wouldn't believe it. I am not gonna post things I can't give proof for, but I don't consider this conversations worth hours of research, just to prove to you. I've seen my data and my evidence, and I know you'll jump on this one. Maybe I will get some data together for you at some point, but not now. I have a job, and work to do, and no internet at home.

Posted by Slylee on Sep-14-2004 16:59:

it makes me feel warm and tingly inside jeez i don't know...why do you prefer women to men? why do you like blondes better than brunettes? why do you like trance and not hip hop? oh yea? but why why why why? oh yea, and did i forget to ask WHY?

i want proof as to why you like blondes.

Posted by trancebrat on Sep-14-2004 17:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Nite-Mer
I think it's time to get over this whole discussion.

I agree

Posted by Floorfiller on Sep-14-2004 17:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
it makes me feel warm and tingly inside jeez i don't know...why do you prefer women to men? why do you like blondes better than brunettes? why do you like trance and not hip hop? oh yea? but why why why why? oh yea, and did i forget to ask WHY?

i want proof as to why you like blondes.

because you're blonde SNAP!!

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