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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue My thoughts exactly. This is exactly what I argued and argued about in that great big 20+ page thread about a month ago where some producer was bitching about the same shit. I'm sure some of you remember that thread, as it got pretty heated and was closed by request of the thread starter.

Indeed I remember. Andy Bagguley

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Originally posted by Floorfiller should people be able to rip vinyls to cdr's and sell them? no. i think we'll both agree on that.

They shouldn't, but they do.

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then should people be able to rip a vinyl and play it in a set designed to sell their abilities as a dj? no.

They shouldn't, but they do.

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as we've all already said...if this was just someone listening to it at home on their computer...i don't think anyone would care, but this person was using it as a promotional tool...and that's the problem.

So Max would have no problem with his unreleased track being heard by 1000 people downloading it off of DCC and listening to it on their computers, but if someone put it in a set and gave the set to 1000 people now it's wrong?

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Originally posted by Radagast So Max would have no problem with his unreleased track being heard by 1000 people downloading it off of DCC and listening to it on their computers, but if someone put it in a set and gave the set to 1000 people now it's wrong?

Let's not speculate. No one should be answering questions like that on Max's behalf.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee what a load of bullshit! Why do you suddenly have to be an artist to comment on other peoples work? That isnt the way the world works max graham should be compared to his colleagues, not to members of TA. otherwise wouldnt everyone be the best dj ever? stop talking utter shit.

boy you really didn't understand her post at all did you. you had basically said that max graham bla bla bla wanted to be doing livesets in europe bla bla bla and that he must have a lot of time on his hands hence he's posting on the boards.

i believe what trancebrat was saying, which was understood by the rest of us able to read, was that she didn't say anything about you having to be an artist to comment on their work. she was merely pointing out the fact that you aren't a professional dj aren't really in any position to comment on max's success...

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Originally posted by Radagast So Max would have no problem with his unreleased track being heard by 1000 people downloading it off of DCC and listening to it on their computers, but if someone put it in a set and gave the set to 1000 people now it's wrong?

This is exactly what ive been trying to get people to understand for the past 20 pages. Some people just make no sense.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee This is exactly what ive been trying to get people to understand for the past 20 pages. Some people just make no sense.

Damn don't I know it.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee This is exactly what ive been trying to get people to understand for the past 20 pages. Some people just make no sense.

Yes, but you arent posting about the topic of the thread...just something you want to argue about|

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Originally posted by Radagast So Max would have no problem with his unreleased track being heard by 1000 people downloading it off of DCC and listening to it on their computers, but if someone put it in a set and gave the set to 1000 people now it's wrong?

That is a point that could be argued until the sun goes down. Some people will deem it wrong, some others won't.

I myself see it as wrong, because the lad is actually promoting himself and the thread using that track and another as the basis for everyone downloading it. Which doubles the wrongness of his doings.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller boy you really didn't understand her post at all did you. you had basically said that max graham bla bla bla wanted to be doing livesets in europe bla bla bla and that he must have a lot of time on his hands hence he's posting on the boards. i believe what trancebrat was saying, which was understood by the rest of us able to read, was that she didn't say anything about you having to be an artist to comment on their work. she was merely pointing out the fact that you aren't a professional dj aren't really in any position to comment on max's success...

So what if im not a pro dj? I can compare him to other pro djs and the simple conclusion is that max's career has gone down the toilet in the UK (djing i mean) and i dont think he is going to deny this either. Maybe he doesnt care, but i suspect he probably does.

Say I happened to be DJ Tiesto using a fake name, how would that alter what ive just concluded? not one bit

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Originally posted by Radagast So Max would have no problem with his unreleased track being heard by 1000 people downloading it off of DCC and listening to it on their computers, but if someone put it in a set and gave the set to 1000 people now it's wrong?

i'm not speaking for max of course, but are you saying there is no difference between the two? some kid sitting at home listening to music on a PC that has nothing to gain from the music he is listening to, while a dj who is looking to promote himself in hopes of gaining maybe a radio position or club spot or something has a lot to gain from it...i think there is a difference.

Ive got a question for Max Graham if he is still lurking around this thread. Why dont you set up some kind of paypal adress or some other means by which we could directly pay you for access to your music? Say maybe 3-5 dollars (US) per song, or really, whatever price the market will bear, thus bypassing labels all together?

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Originally posted by tribu Ive got a question for Max Graham if he is still lurking around this thread. Why dont you set up some kind of paypal adress or some other means by which we could directly pay you for access to your music? Say maybe 3-5 dollars (US) per song, or really, whatever price the market will bear, thus bypassing labels all together?

Is this guy joking.... or just plain stupid???

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i'm not speaking for max of course, but are you saying there is no difference between the two? some kid sitting at home listening to music on a PC that has nothing to gain from the music he is listening to, while a dj who is looking to promote himself in hopes of gaining maybe a radio position or club spot or something has a lot to gain from it...i think there is a difference.

Is it not illegal for both people in each instance to be in posession of the unreleased track? Say this guy didn't post his set on TA...what he is doing would have been just as illegal as it is now. And it's not like there are scouts going around TA recruiting new DJ's with unreleased illegal tracks to headline at their next gig.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee So what if im not a pro dj? I can compare him to other pro djs and the simple conclusion is that max's career has gone down the toilet in the UK (djing i mean) and i dont think he is going to deny this either. Maybe he doesnt care, but i suspect he probably does. Say I happened to be DJ Tiesto using a fake name, how would that alter what ive just concluded? not one bit

well obviously if you were tiesto and not a 20 year old kid that probably can't even get into clubs then you wouldn't have the attitudes that you do about filesharing or whatever because you would feel a personal attachment to the music you created and would relate to max's situation...which is what trancebrat was trying to say. you don't know what its like...so what the hell do you know...

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Originally posted by biznology Yes, but you arent posting about the topic of the thread...just something you want to argue about|

well i did say it was probably an argument for another day/time but people just kept picking up on it.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller boy you really didn't understand her post at all did you. you had basically said that max graham bla bla bla wanted to be doing livesets in europe bla bla bla and that he must have a lot of time on his hands hence he's posting on the boards. i believe what trancebrat was saying, which was understood by the rest of us able to read, was that she didn't say anything about you having to be an artist to comment on their work. she was merely pointing out the fact that you aren't a professional dj aren't really in any position to comment on max's success...

Actually he can comment all he wants. According to his comments it would mean that all of the artists that post on here are nothing but losers. Someone be sure to let all of the TA's that are artists that post on here know that if they do they obviously must not have anything going on in their lives and it's back to the drawing board for them. To hell with artist/fan interaction.

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Originally posted by Tranz Is this guy joking.... or jsut plain stupid???

Youre not serious are you? Whats wrong with bypassing labels and paying the artist directly for their music? with the proliferation of digital music, this seems like a nice alternative.

I know its not currently a reality, but i ask, why not?

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Originally posted by tribu Ive got a question for Max Graham if he is still lurking around this thread. Why dont you set up some kind of paypal adress or some other means by which we could directly pay you for access to your music? Say maybe 3-5 dollars (US) per song, or really, whatever price the market will bear, thus bypassing labels all together?

Like I said, check Maxs site or Shine Music. He HAS a label and you pay money to Shine to own his music. As far as old releases go - he lets you listen for free!

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Originally posted by Radagast Is it not illegal for both people in each instance to be in posession of the unreleased track?

it may be...but is there not a difference?

example:

some kid sitting at home smoking weed...some kid out selling it to others. both may be illegal, but who do we care more about? the dealer...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller well obviously if you were tiesto and not a 20 year old kid that probably can't even get into clubs then you wouldn't have the attitudes that you do about filesharing or whatever because you would feel a personal attachment to the music you created and would relate to max's situation...which is what trancebrat was trying to say. you don't know what its like...so what the hell do you know...

stop switching the subject... filesharing, djing, filesharing... make up your mind.

I made a comment about max graham dj career. Dont respond with some nonsense about filesharing.

And for the record you dont have to be 21 to get into our clubs. And ive been going to them since i was 14.

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Originally posted by tribu Youre not serious are you? Whats wrong with bypassing labels and paying the artist directly for their music? with the proliferation of digital music, this seems like a nice alternative. I know its not currently a reality, but i ask, why not?

Without labels there is no professional promotion.
People actually buy and own vinyl, which the producer would never be able to fund.

Two reasons why.

i like all these hypothetical situations people are posting here. its really adding to the thread.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller well obviously if you were tiesto and not a 20 year old kid that probably can't even get into clubs then you wouldn't have the attitudes that you do about filesharing or whatever because you would feel a personal attachment to the music you created and would relate to max's situation...which is what trancebrat was trying to say. you don't know what its like...so what the hell do you know...

hahaha! I just noticed that he's only 19! WTF am I even arguing with him for?

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Originally posted by Laushinameee stop switching the subject... filesharing, djing, filesharing... make up your mind. I made a comment about max graham dj career. Dont respond with some nonsense about filesharing. And for the record you dont have to be 21 to get into our clubs. And ive been going to them since i was 14.

Almost everything you have posted involves the ethics of filesharing and now you wanna call someone on changing subjects by discounting a DJs career?


HUH?!?

Coming from someone who knows nothing about Max as a musician and DJ you are really putting your foot in your mouth|

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Originally posted by hadi ****** i like all these hypothetical situations people are posting here. its really adding to the thread.

Deja vu

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