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Originally posted by torontotrance Personally I don't care if others like what I listen to, I like it and that brings me enjoyment.

Amen to that.

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Originally posted by Tenshi Delerium - Silence (Tiesto Mix) just boring in my oppinion!

You should be killed for saying that!!

Well... to be honest, it's ok.. since everyone have their own music taste

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Originally posted by Radagast Phasis Reel X Final Fantasy Reverse Pulse Brannon Beer A Positive Life Tony Hunt Progressive Attack Vernon Ovoid Acid Allainance Audio Science Beyond Reality Psygone Biller Zynergy Cenobyte Tranceformer Influid Disco Volante Stripper Synchro Skope Filtrate David Craig Acrid Abeyance Bluescreen The Prophet Karmic Energies Pulp Victim Atlantic Ocean Eat Static Propulsion IP Heaven 17 Norman

Most if not all are psy producers but by no means would you call them cassic producers.
I think you haven't been here long enough to realise that some of the members mentioned by Ian^ do know their shit since trance began in the hey days of the early '90s.
Believe me, they have written good, thoughtful and informative posts on many classic producers, way more informative then the shit you've pulling for the last 4 - 5 pages.

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Originally posted by Stanza Most if not all are psy producers but by no means would you call them cassic producers. I think you haven't been here long enough to realise that some of the members mentioned by Ian^ do know their shit since trance began in the hey days of the early '90s. Believe me, they have written good, thoughtful and informative posts on many classic producers, way more informative then the shit you've pulling for the last 4 - 5 pages.

How many of those names do you actually know? And in case you didn't know, psy is short for psytrance or psychedelic trance. Key word being trance. I know when trance began. These artists have released work in the mid-early 90's whether you know it or not. For example, if you look for Eat Static albums you will see all of their releases post 1995. BUT Eat Static has a compilation album from 1992 which was released on casette at the time, and re-released years later on compact disc. Unfortunately both are now rare and expensive.

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Originally posted by Radagast How many of those names do you actually know? And in case you didn't know, psy is short for psytrance or psychedelic trance. Key word being trance. I know when trance began. These artists have released work in the mid-early 90's whether you know it or not. For example, if you look for Eat Static albums you will see all of their releases post 1995. BUT Eat Static has a compilation album from 1992 which was released on casette at the time, and re-released years later on compact disc. Unfortunately both are now rare and expensive.

What does it matter? What are you actually trying to prove with your pointless nitpicking and bickering? Why do you have to do it constantly on every single thread you happen to go to?

And please, if you plan on responding with the same few lines you've been repeating over and over again, don't even bother.

There I go, I've just fed the troll some more... oh well...

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Originally posted by Radagast And in case you didn't know, psy is short for psytrance or psychedelic trance. Key word being trance. I know when trance began.

Yes I'm well aware that my friend and I do know and have listened to Eat Static way back in the mid nineties. But are you trying to say that you are somewhat special now?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery What does it matter? What are you actually trying to prove with your pointless nitpicking and bickering? Why do you have to do it constantly on every single thread you happen to go to?

You haven't read many of the threads I happen to go to have you. I have neither nitpicked nor bickered. So you and trancebrat now. "Every post I make is negative", "I ruin every thread I post in.", "I nitpick and bicker in every thread I happen to go to."

Those are nice generalizations. Maybe some are true but I definately don't do them in every thread, or even most threads I visit on TA.

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Originally posted by Stanza Yes I'm well aware that my friend and I do know and have listened to Eat Static way back in the mid nineties. But are you trying to say that you are somewhat special now?

No, are you?

I don't NEED to argue with people...but if somoene wants to reference me I will most likely respond if I know about it. Respond with an argument if I feel like it. I wasn't even going to post in this thread again until you decided to call me out Stanza...

Not at all.

But it seems like you're trying to make a point that just becasue you listen to psy that you are "uber l337" or whatever..

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Originally posted by Stanza Not at all. But it seems like you're trying to make a point that just becasue you listen to psy that you are "uber l337" or whatever..

You said "Most if not all are psy producers". So? What was the point of that? It's all trance.

Well from what I've read you looks like you have narrowed down your knowledge only to psy, there is more to trance than just psy...

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Originally posted by Stanza Well from what I've read you looks like you have narrowed down your knowledge only to psy,

No way...listing a bunch of artists means i've narrowed down my knowledge? Is another list what you want? Will this prove one way or another what i've narrowed my knowledge to? Not really:

Union Jack
Electric Skychurch
Commander Tom
Emmanuel Top
Breeder
Castle Trancelott
Clanger
Hardfloor
Poltergeist
Marmion
Cosmic Baby
Arpeggiators
Resistance D
Spicelab
Pulse
Barbarella
Quietman
Dance 2 Trance
Pob
Visions of Shiva
Humate
Microglobe

A lot of repeat people in there, whatever.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Just curious, but what are you basing this on? And who is "everybody?"

It was a joke. I hate explaining jokes.

And to ONION - how does being old-school make your opinions better and the tracks you like better than the tracks we like? I've heard my fair share of early 90's music and can safely say trance has evolved and gotten better since.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos It was a joke. I hate explaining jokes. And to ONION - how does being old-school make your opinions better and the tracks you like better than the tracks we like? I've heard my fair share of early 90's music and can safely say trance has evolved and gotten better since.

Because he was there since the beginning and saw it all as it was happening? He was right though. And so are you in one respect. A large portion of Trance has evolved, but not for the better. Don't feel the need to reply to this post but if you do i'll be glad to respond.

Unless you've been listening to trance since 1995 or earlier you have no frame of reference from which to judge whether the music has evolved for the better or worse. Researching this period can only shed a small light on the experience that someone with the experienc has.

The whole definition of classics argument is kinda pointless in this thread since the whole purpose of it was to list tunes which you DON'T like or consider a classic, despite others doing so.

Walhalla for instance, I fucking hate it and would call it anything but a classic. However loads of people here like it & refer to it as a classic, which is why I mentioned it.

If someone then went on to flame me for listing the tune as a classic I'd be quite amused tbh.. seems what's happened here really

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Originally posted by Radagast Unless you've been listening to trance since 1995 or earlier you have no frame of reference from which to judge whether the music has evolved for the better or worse.

Is it *really* necessary to understand the history, development and evolution of a type of music in order to have a worthy opinion on it though? Is it such a bad thing taking post-1998 trance at face value and judging it regardless of what pre-1998 trance sounded like?

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Originally posted by isoterra Is it *really* necessary to understand the history, development and evolution of a type of music in order to have a worthy opinion on it though? Is it such a bad thing taking post-1998 trance at face value and judging it regardless of what pre-1998 trance sounded like?

What kind of fool statement is that? You can't judge the new without knowing about how it all began. Well you can, but it wouldn't be a very smart decision.

Many people who delve into trance over the last five years just don't realize why it's called trance in the first place. Sure, many of the rhythms and melodies that are produced may send you into a euphoric trance, but initially trance music was about sending you into a hypnotic trance. Psy does this as well.

By not recognizing this fact is how many newbies to trance music don't have a concept of what trance is (or was meant to be, in any event).

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Originally posted by Radagast Unless you've been listening to trance since 1995 or earlier you have no frame of reference from which to judge whether the music has evolved for the better or worse. Researching this period can only shed a small light on the experience that someone with the experienc has.

Why would researching grant less insight than hearing the stuff back then?

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos Why would researching grant less insight than hearing the stuff back then?

Uh...because they experienced it all as it happened?

People have watched trance evolve from relatively unknown, loopy, hypnotic music, break into the mainstream with 'Children', beared witness to its escalating popularity thanks to Paul Oakenfold and the Global Underground series, suffered through the endless breakdown anthems that began to plague parties, and finally took a look around themselves and asked, "What the fuck happened here?"

It's been a wild, wonky ride for trance music this past decade.

In my opinion, anyone that started to listen to trance music during the Tranceport/Global Underground era has no real concept of what trance music is. Even if they go and discover its roots through a dedicated love of anything named 'trance', they'll still come across it with a different perspective due to being weaned on the more accessible riffs and hooks that came later.

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Originally posted by Radagast In my opinion, anyone that started to listen to trance music during the Tranceport/Global Underground era has no real concept of what trance music is. Even if they go and discover its roots through a dedicated love of anything named 'trance', they'll still come across it with a different perspective due to being weaned on the more accessible riffs and hooks that came later.

does anybody really care?

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 does anybody really care?

Probably not, and that's the problem.

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Originally posted by Radagast What kind of fool statement is that? You can't judge the new without knowing about how it all began. Well you can, but it wouldn't be a very smart decision. Many people who delve into trance over the last five years just don't realize why it's called trance in the first place. Sure, many of the rhythms and melodies that are produced may send you into a euphoric trance, but initially trance music was about sending you into a hypnotic trance. Psy does this as well. By not recognizing this fact is how many newbies to trance music don't have a concept of what trance is (or was meant to be, in any event).

You seem to rely on established pigeonholeing too much... I'm not sure who first categorised the uplifting/epic/melodic sound as 'trance' back in 98 or whenever, but it's them you should be directing your discontent at, not the people who prefer the post-98 sound. Trance as it's most commonly known as now really only dates back to the Oakenfold period or a little while before, like you mentioned. The sound several years before that which you're talking about bears few similarities and the only clear thing which links it to post-98 trance is the name. It strikes me that you're using the word 'trance' to assess the history of the sound rather than the actual merits of the sound itself.

Forget subgenre names for a moment... does it seem logical to judge music which puts you in a euphoric trance in relation to music which puts you in a hypnotic trance? I don't think it does; people are either going to prefer one or the other, depending on their emotional mindset.

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Originally posted by isoterra You seem to rely on established pigeonholeing too much... I'm not sure who first categorised the uplifting/epic/melodic sound as 'trance' back in 98 or whenever, but it's them you should be directing your discontent at, not the people who prefer the post-98 sound. Trance as it's most commonly known as now really only dates back to 1998, when Ferry Corsten first learnt how to use an arpeggiator. The sound several years before that which you're talking about bears few similarities and the only clear thing which links it to post-98 trance is the name. It strikes me that you're using the word 'trance' to assess the history of the sound rather than the actual merits of the sound itself. Forget subgenre names for a moment... does it seem logical to judge music which puts you in a euphoric trance in relation to music which puts you in a hypnotic trance? I don't think it does; people are either going to prefer one or the other, depending on their emotional mindset.

Of course I should be directing my discontent at the people who prefer epic/anthem trance...they helped destroy trance. If you hold that both eras shouldn't be called trance the problem still comes when as a result of one taking the name of the first, the original was destroyed.

Actually I find it amusing that people are posing these questions to me. They have all been answered by other people on these very forums.

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Originally posted by Radagast Of course I should be directing my discontent at the people who prefer epic/anthem trance...they helped destroy trance. If you hold that both eras shouldn't be called trance the problem still comes when as a result of one taking the name of the first, the original was destroyed.

what's an example of the original trance? give me a track name i'm curious

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 what's an example of the original trance? give me a track name i'm curious

Cosmic Baby - Magic Cubes

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