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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Bush supports stem cell research. The only thing he limited was federal funding for NEW embryonic research.

i am not talking about stem cell research, my parents are not in that field of study

Bush may support stem cell research, but dont forget where the majority of stem cells come from: fetuses that have been aborted. Not letting stem cells to be used from a dead fetus is just a waste, as the fetus goes to waste into the garbage. Its sad really, but if fetuses are being thrown out, stem cells should at least be extracted before the rest is wasted.

George Bush appears to me as someone that is really really stupid, backwards, dangerous and an outright idiot.

Why would Americans vote for him?

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Originally posted by t�bias George Bush appears to me as someone that is really really stupid, backwards, dangerous and an outright idiot. Why would Americans vote for him?

Because he appeals to people who are like himself.

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Originally posted by Remiks all right wing trash must hang, i cant put it any simpler than that,

hmm you sound like a Nazi... (substitute "right wing trash" for "Jew", etc.)

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Originally posted by Remiks if you voted republican this year u are a fucking nazi, plain and simple

how ironic

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Originally posted by Dmatrox Because he appeals to people who are like himself.

The other guy had a really strange looking head, but one would think that it would be easy to beat someone like Bush, unless as you say that Americans identify with Bush's ideals, which is a worry.

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Originally posted by t�bias George Bush appears to me as someone that is really really stupid, backwards, dangerous and an outright idiot. Why would Americans vote for him?

dude i think u answered ur own question:

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Why would Americans vote for him?

someone who is

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really really stupid, backwards, dangerous and an outright idiot

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Americans identify with Bush's ideals, which is a worry

hehe

its those darn rural areas

Not getting involved in American politics, it just seems like its extremely difficult to kick a President out half way through their term.

Its kind of like someone that is stuck in a bad relationship but never actually leaves that person through some misplaced sense of loyalty and a fear of change and something new. There is a certain amount of security is what you currently have and know.

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Originally posted by t�bias Not getting involved in American politics, it just seems like its extremely difficult to kick a President out half way through their term. Its kind of like someone that is stuck in a bad relationship but never actually leaves that person through some misplaced sense of loyalty and a fear of change and something new. There is a certain amount of security is what you currently have and know.

our Presidency is like one bad Jerry Springer episode

I think youll find that most people dont identify with Texan values. You will, however, find that people identify with the feeling that our country is losing the core values that made America. God, family, country.

All are mocked and spurned by the new age/new wave liberals who think that all the things that made our country get to where we are now (or were 40 years ago before they started coming out of the wood work) are outdated.

Funny, they lasted several hundred years and were fine until shitheads started criticizing stuff. Funny how that works.

So yeah, many Americans feel alienated from what we've always seen our national image to be. We all feel like we are part of a decaying empire, something rotting from the core out. So we chose a man who seems to stand for many of the things that seem so outdated these days. Fighting back, holding people accountable for their actions, and holding nations and people to a moral and ethical code.

For the moral relativists who wonder "who is America to say that?!" my answer: "We are America, the most diverse union on Earth" We have values and codes from around the world, and it seems to turn out pretty universal, in the end. So much for relativism. Apparently freedom breeds a certain type of morality.

So to all the people wondering what the hell just happened:

You were misled by a liberal media into thinking that Americans aren't sick of taking shit and watching their country get trashed as it heads down the road of immorality and decay.

Apparently Fox News WAS the right source. Sucks to have been reading BBC and Al Jiz for your news on American politics....

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Originally posted by Orbax I think youll find that most people dont identify with Texan values. You will, however, find that people identify with the feeling that our country is losing the core values that made America. God, family, country. All are mocked and spurned by the new age/new wave liberals who think that all the things that made our country get to where we are now (or were 40 years ago before they started coming out of the wood work) are outdated. Funny, they lasted several hundred years and were fine until shitheads started criticizing stuff. Funny how that works. So yeah, many Americans feel alienated from what we've always seen our national image to be. We all feel like we are part of a decaying empire, something rotting from the core out. So we chose a man who seems to stand for many of the things that seem so outdated these days. Fighting back, holding people accountable for their actions, and holding nations and people to a moral and ethical code. For the moral relativists who wonder "who is America to say that?!" my answer: "We are America, the most diverse union on Earth" We have values and codes from around the world, and it seems to turn out pretty universal, in the end. So much for relativism. Apparently freedom breeds a certain type of morality. So to all the people wondering what the hell just happened: You were misled by a liberal media into thinking that Americans aren't sick of taking shit and watching their country get trashed as it heads down the road of immorality and decay. Apparently Fox News WAS the right source. Sucks to have been reading BBC and Al Jiz for your news on American politics....

offense is not meant, although you most likely will take it...that post was a joke, right?

Telling someone not to take offense and then calling them an inflammatory asshole isnt the way to not get people offended.

Not that I am.

The person who I think should be in office is, and people who continue to attack dont really bug me any more. It turned out pretty much like I thought it would.

And no, thats not a joke. Ive never found any of our presidents, even the screw-ups, to be "funny". Its deadly serious for males between 18 and 25.

edit: Oh, youre canadian. Thats practically American...

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Originally posted by Orbax edit: Oh, youre canadian. Thats practically American...

It is?

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Originally posted by DarkAngel It is?

it was me commenting on people from a different country criticizing our opinions on the elections that we actually participated in

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Originally posted by Orbax it was me commenting on people from a different country criticizing our opinions on the elections that we actually participated in

Oh, I hear ya...

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Originally posted by Orbax I think youll find that most people dont identify with Texan values. You will, however, find that people identify with the feeling that our country is losing the core values that made America. God, family, country. All are mocked and spurned by the new age/new wave liberals who think that all the things that made our country get to where we are now (or were 40 years ago before they started coming out of the wood work) are outdated. Funny, they lasted several hundred years and were fine until shitheads started criticizing stuff. Funny how that works. So yeah, many Americans feel alienated from what we've always seen our national image to be. We all feel like we are part of a decaying empire, something rotting from the core out. So we chose a man who seems to stand for many of the things that seem so outdated these days. Fighting back, holding people accountable for their actions, and holding nations and people to a moral and ethical code. For the moral relativists who wonder "who is America to say that?!" my answer: "We are America, the most diverse union on Earth" We have values and codes from around the world, and it seems to turn out pretty universal, in the end. So much for relativism. Apparently freedom breeds a certain type of morality. So to all the people wondering what the hell just happened: You were misled by a liberal media into thinking that Americans aren't sick of taking shit and watching their country get trashed as it heads down the road of immorality and decay. Apparently Fox News WAS the right source. Sucks to have been reading BBC and Al Jiz for your news on American politics....

exactly.

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Originally posted by Orbax I think youll find that most people dont identify with Texan values. You will, however, find that people identify with the feeling that our country is losing the core values that made America. God, family, country. All are mocked and spurned by the new age/new wave liberals who think that all the things that made our country get to where we are now (or were 40 years ago before they started coming out of the wood work) are outdated. Funny, they lasted several hundred years and were fine until shitheads started criticizing stuff. Funny how that works. So yeah, many Americans feel alienated from what we've always seen our national image to be. We all feel like we are part of a decaying empire, something rotting from the core out. So we chose a man who seems to stand for many of the things that seem so outdated these days. Fighting back, holding people accountable for their actions, and holding nations and people to a moral and ethical code. For the moral relativists who wonder "who is America to say that?!" my answer: "We are America, the most diverse union on Earth" We have values and codes from around the world, and it seems to turn out pretty universal, in the end. So much for relativism. Apparently freedom breeds a certain type of morality. So to all the people wondering what the hell just happened: You were misled by a liberal media into thinking that Americans aren't sick of taking shit and watching their country get trashed as it heads down the road of immorality and decay. Apparently Fox News WAS the right source. Sucks to have been reading BBC and Al Jiz for your news on American politics....

So forward thinking is bad, and we should all stick to the thoughts and ideals of our forefathers?

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Originally posted by XaNaX I love all the non-US citizens bashing Bush. Hell, pick your country and imagine China sent 500,000 troops to invade you tomorrow. Who the hell would you be calling to bail you out of that mess? George W. wouldnt be looking like such a moron then, would he?

The U.S would not lift a hand if China invaded their country. It would be economic suicide for both countries to fight each other.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Jesus how stupid can the American's be. I'm a bit miffed really. This made me feel a bit better though: George Bush and Dick Cheney are enjoying a celebration lunch at a fancy Washington restaurant. Their waitress approaches their table to take their order; she is young and very attractive. She asks Cheney what he wants, and he replies, "I'll have the heart-healthy salad.� "Very good, sir," she replies, and turning to Bush she asks, "And what do you want, Mr. President?" Bush answers, "How about a quickie?" Taken a back, the waitress slaps him and says, "I'm shocked and disappointed in you. I thought you were committed to high principles and morality. I'm sorry I voted for you." With that, the waitress departed in a huff. Cheney leans over to Bush, and says, �Mr. President, I believe that's pronounced �quiche�

You stole that off The Sketch Show, you bastard!

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Originally posted by Orbax I think youll find that most people dont identify with Texan values. You will, however, find that people identify with the feeling that our country is losing the core values that made America. God, family, country. All are mocked and spurned by the new age/new wave liberals who think that all the things that made our country get to where we are now (or were 40 years ago before they started coming out of the wood work) are outdated. Funny, they lasted several hundred years and were fine until shitheads started criticizing stuff. Funny how that works. So yeah, many Americans feel alienated from what we've always seen our national image to be. We all feel like we are part of a decaying empire, something rotting from the core out. So we chose a man who seems to stand for many of the things that seem so outdated these days. Fighting back, holding people accountable for their actions, and holding nations and people to a moral and ethical code. For the moral relativists who wonder "who is America to say that?!" my answer: "We are America, the most diverse union on Earth" We have values and codes from around the world, and it seems to turn out pretty universal, in the end. So much for relativism. Apparently freedom breeds a certain type of morality. So to all the people wondering what the hell just happened: You were misled by a liberal media into thinking that Americans aren't sick of taking shit and watching their country get trashed as it heads down the road of immorality and decay. Apparently Fox News WAS the right source. Sucks to have been reading BBC and Al Jiz for your news on American politics....

Good post. I live in Texas (and am Chinese), and I don't think Bush is exactly the best person, but in my opnion, he's much better than Kerry. My moral standpoints played a part in my preference of Bush over Kerry, and at the same time, I am pretty conservative economically and moderately socially. America has been successful for at least the past half of a century and there is no need to suddenly plunge into "unknown territory" thinking it will be a certain change for the better.

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Originally posted by Orbax holding people accountable for their actions

the rest of your post wasn't bad, I really can't agree with this part of your post.

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Originally posted by Orbax Telling someone not to take offense and then calling them an inflammatory asshole isnt the way to not get people offended. Not that I am. The person who I think should be in office is, and people who continue to attack dont really bug me any more. It turned out pretty much like I thought it would. And no, thats not a joke. Ive never found any of our presidents, even the screw-ups, to be "funny". Its deadly serious for males between 18 and 25. edit: Oh, youre canadian. Thats practically American...

lol, it actually was a real question btw. it sounded so right wing i thought you were being sarcastic. apparently i was wrong..

/rant
and i guess you're right m8, canadian could be considered "practically american", only we're democratic, and we are allowed to retain our basic human rights, oh yea and we a healthcare system, and we're not called the cultural "melting pot" (did i hear you say diversity), and we realized ages ago that religion and the church should be separate from politics and the leadership of a nation, and we don't claim to be supporters of free trade and then try to fuck our allies sideways, and so on and so forth.
/end rant

Changing tone:
Im sorry if i offended you, your political opinions are just as valid as any other, and while i dont agree with them i can still have a level of respect for them, and yes to a certain degree you're right in believing we have no right to belittle your political system and voting choice, however, we're landlocked and have an interdependent economies, so when (who i percieve) to be an idiot is re-elected to lead your nation, i feel compelled to give my viewpoint, and in this case, also defend an insult against my country.

Anyways, i propose we:

and discuss this is a more peaceful way with as little hostility as possible (to which i escalated before and am sorry).

(and yes, those are the twats from the cliparts in ms word...)

people are choosing their "moral standpoints" to be the model for the rest of the country.

the problem is that kerry's supporters' moral standpoints are "you are allowed to have any standpoints you wish" and bush's supporters' standpoints are "you are allowed to have only the standpoints we tell you are right, such as anti-gay marriage laws and anti-abortion laws because we don't like them, so we won't give you a choice"


what happened to voting for economy and foreign policy?

do people REALLY believe that gay marriages and free abortions will tear this country apart?

yes, only if they're prohibited.

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Originally posted by sym So forward thinking is bad, and we should all stick to the thoughts and ideals of our forefathers?

Wasnt really saying that. We just have a generation out right now that thinks tradition, of any kind, is for old people and retards. The labels of "forward thinking" or "modern" or "realistic" help justify the thought.

In reality, I think that re-inventing the ethical and moral wheel every time you are faced with a decision is slowing down the progress of society today.

The fact that 12 year olds dress as sluts and whores for Halloween instead of princesses shows a depressingly jaded world, one that has lost idealism and forgotten childhood and has "progressed" to the ranks of adults.

We are living in a time where kids dont get to be kids, and neither do adults. In Plato's Republic there is a great line. It isnt old age that weighs so heavily on people, its their lives.

Tell me what is 'forward' about 85% of middle schoolers saying that "Oral sex isnt sex".

I think that throwing away the shackles of tradition and precedence have just left us adrift in an ocean of darkness. Hopefully it wont be too late to go pick up the old fart you threw overboard before realizing he was the only one who could navigate.

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Originally posted by Orbax The fact that 12 year olds dress as sluts and whores for Halloween instead of princesses shows a depressingly jaded world, one that has lost idealism and forgotten childhood and has "progressed" to the ranks of adults.

what do you expect from the MTV generation? when parents are too busy making careers nowadays, kids are being forced to entertain themselves with video games and media instead of being read interesting books, told stories, or sung songs like me and kids of my generation were.

so then they start picking up that looking the way girls look on MTV is the "cool" thing and talking like 'artists' in clips do is the way to talk.

there are just too many things that are "popular" to do nowadays, including saying that there are too many things that are "popular" to do nowadays

but this is a topic for a whole different thread.

it's all bush's fault

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