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Posted by Epicurus on Feb-13-2005 01:25:

quote:
Originally posted by ZinG
Neva!


hahahahahahaha


Posted by fastmp3 on Feb-13-2005 01:26:

ZinG will start a revolution

aywa aywa lalalalala

halla halla


Posted by Epicurus on Feb-14-2005 17:47:

Rafik Hariri assassinated.

Rafik Hariri was just assassinated. Click here. Car bomb right along the coast of Beirut, in front of the Saint George. I can't believe this. Not that the guy was a saint, but he did do a lot to help restore Lebanon's image as a bustling little Medditeranean country and rebuilt the entire Beirut downtown, despite the fact that he endetted the country beyong belief. But what's more worrisome is that I fear the Syrian government was behind this, considering the fact that Hariri was leading the opposition to the Syrian presence in Lebanon. Talk about civil war is in the air again, and I'm sure the worst is to come. Truly a sad day

PS. I know this has nothing to do with Shawerma or Arab food, but I figured I'd use this thread since politics have already been discussed here, and I didn't feel that this warranted a thread on it's own considering the fact that in all probability, only the Arab TAs would be interested in this.


Posted by malek on Feb-14-2005 18:19:

you're a bit late on this, but yeah it sucks and its a shame.

Thinking that I was at that exact spot 6 weeks ago...


Posted by Epicurus on Feb-14-2005 18:51:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
you're a bit late on this, but yeah it sucks and its a shame.

Thinking that I was at that exact spot 6 weeks ago...


Better late than never And besides, I didn't see a thread about it neither here nor in the political forum, nor was it discussed in any other threads, so I figured I'd bring it up.

As for being there, ya I know. I spent most of my summer at the St George and Sky Bar (in a hotel right next to that area).


Posted by fastmp3 on Feb-14-2005 18:59:

my syrian friend told me this afternoon it's the beginning of the end in lebanon ...


Posted by malek on Feb-14-2005 19:07:

quote:
Originally posted by fastmp3
my syrian friend told me this afternoon it's the beginning of the end in lebanon ...



i heard people with arms in the streets... go figure if its just gossip or the real deal...


Posted by Epicurus on Feb-14-2005 19:35:

Good article. Click here

We have the Syrian government, the Israeli government/Mossad, some unknown Islamist group that has already claimed the killing (supposedly because Hariri was sympathetic with the Saudi givernment) as suspects. Let the conspiracy theories begin.


Posted by malek on Feb-14-2005 19:57:

everything can go really fast now, it could be the start of another civil war. It all depends on what Syria does next.


Posted by Blinckme on Feb-14-2005 20:39:

Speechless


Posted by Deejiuana on Feb-15-2005 05:55:

shocking.....speechless......


Posted by OrAnGeMeK on Feb-15-2005 19:01:

1 down, countless more to go

hey every1, malek i was there 2 weeks ago... same spot and if i was there i'd have prolly been blown up to bits... lol a bit of reassurance that coming back shouldn't be so bad lol

Honestly ain't too shockin imo, when sh!t hits the fan.... u know how it goes. I believe some heads will roll this time around and it's gonna get nasty... We need like sh!tproof vests believe me.
Hariri's seen as a hero... sure i'll digest that... he did rebuild, but he did double the deficit :| . as a friend said... 'aratol 7arameh (arabic pun on rob/fcuk the robber)
i see some options here:
- keep em blowin!!! (less mofoz = bound to be better)
- int'l intervention... few fcuks have very big heads need *whip*ing
- ppl take to arms ... nationwide fcukin slaughter (merely a spark - happened... all the chain reaction needs)

ABOUT FCUKING TIME!!!


Posted by malek on Feb-15-2005 19:14:

we need a war in the region... maybe that will convince my best friend to come back to sense and leave those crappy countries


hheheheeh I keed I keeeeeeeeeeeeeed (partly).


Posted by OrAnGeMeK on Feb-15-2005 22:48:

naaah man

Just need to get the bekaa valley up and running, get every st0ned st00pid then every1 will chill the fcuk up


Posted by fastmp3 on Feb-15-2005 23:47:

c'est le bordel a beyrout ils ont tout ferm�


Posted by Epicurus on Feb-16-2005 00:15:

Not to sound like a rabid Hariri fan, because I'm not, but the man, though accused of cronyism and corruption, actually did something for Lebanon, which is MUCH more than can be said for any politician currently in Lebanon. Granted, our standards for judging politicians have dramatically decreased when we have to defend corrupt politicians, but at the same time, I can't help but cringe when I think about Lebanon's potential state of affairs had Hariri not stepped in and taken charge.

Yes, the man "doubled" the debt (actually it's more than that but anyway), but you have to place this in context and understand why he did so. Lebanon was just recovering from 17 years of "civil" war (I use that term loosely since it was more of a free for anyone to settle his debts on Lebanese soil type of war) and the country was completely destroyed and ravaged. The economic situation was dire, amongst so many other things. Infrastructure needed to be rebuilt from scratch, the services sector, which constitutes 75% of the Lebanese economy, was non-existant, investor confidence had to be restored and so on and so forth. He basically decided to apply trickle-down-effect economics, where the government would borrow heavily in order to rebuild the country, especially the essential infrastructure of the country, in the hopes of creating jobs domestically and attracting foreign investment from outside. Furthermore, Hariri was an extrememly influential businessman, who had very powerful friends whom he convinced to invest in Lebanon, specifically Beirut, which he proceeded to rebuild from scratch.

The effect of all of this borrowing and re-construction resulted in the desired effects when we examine areas of the economy such as the banking sector and the tourism industry, not to mention the results on the ground (see Beirut downtown). Never has there been more liquidity in Lebanese banks in the past 20 years, largely due to the fact that Hariri, with Saudi connections, was able to attract rich Arab businessmen from the Gulf to invest in our economy. The tourism industry was booming over the last two years, again mainly because people from the Gulf were coming in droves (September 11th also played a role). According to the Ministry of Tourism, over 1.2 million tourists visited Lebanon over the past year, an increase of over 30% from the previous one, and a 50% increase from the year previous to that. And then of course, with regards to the spiralling debt, he managed to sign the Paris 2 deal which gave the government over 3 billion $ to play with once France and some Gulf countries agreed to participate in the reconstruction effort.

But most importantly in my opinion, he was someone that represented Lebanese interests rather well around the world, and had great drawing power both on a political and business front. His presence will be missed, as he always gave a similee of stability to an otherwise chaotic Lebanese situation.

So all in all, his record is indeed a mixed bag, but at least there is a substancial positive side to his legacy, which is MUCH more than anyone can say about any other Lebanese politician currently running the government. So in that sense, I completely disagree with people attempting to lump him into the "Atrocious Middle Eastern Politician Clan" - see 1 down, countless more to go. In fact, he is one of the very few Arab politicians I would not have lynched or at least shot at very close range, had I had the opportunity to do so.


Posted by fastmp3 on Feb-16-2005 00:19:

le politicien druze (opposition) je me rappele plus de son nom , il a directement accus� la syrie et le gouvernement libanais actuel


Posted by AnitA on Feb-16-2005 00:25:

Yallah! Yallah! Habibs! I LOVE chicken shawarma.........especially the ones they make @ Montforts!! I haven't tasted anything as good since i've been back in Australia.....another excuse to go back to Canada


Posted by AnitA on Feb-16-2005 00:26:

Yallah! Yallah! Habibs! I LOVE chicken shawarma.........especially the ones they make @ Montforts!! I haven't tasted anything as good since i've been back in Australia.....another excuse to go back to Canada


Posted by OrAnGeMeK on Feb-16-2005 00:29:

yo hold up a sec

Epicurus... easy dude :P... if it were to me... to each politician his bullet (between the eyes) the 1 down, countless more to go is merely sarcasm and shouldn't be takin that serious...

opposition or not, every1 of these men have done something condemnable... hey it's politics (blood sucking!!!)

Taha... guys' name is Walid Joumblat

hope this won't get too serious anyways... it's the ppl who get it up the culo in all cases :S


Posted by OrAnGeMeK on Feb-16-2005 00:42:

YOOOOOOOOOOOO U GUYS BEEN TALKIN BOUT KNEFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH
OMFG OMFG OMFG
Hallab in Fken TRIPOLI w000000000000000000000000000t best knefeh freakin EVER!!!!!

i think u can order that online...... yeah u can!!!!
http://www.hallab.com

a few weeks back we freakin drove to tripoli from beirut at 4AM to go to hallab, little did i know that my buddy (who lives there mind u) didn't have the slightest clue the places closes at like 10pm or something... was such a bad trip lol!!! i woulda KEEEEEEELLLED for some :'(


Posted by Epicurus on Feb-16-2005 06:26:

Re: yo hold up a sec

quote:
Originally posted by OrAnGeMeK
Epicurus... easy dude :P... if it were to me... to each politician his bullet (between the eyes) the 1 down, countless more to go is merely sarcasm and shouldn't be takin that serious...

opposition or not, every1 of these men have done something condemnable... hey it's politics (blood sucking!!!)

Taha... guys' name is Walid Joumblat

hope this won't get too serious anyways... it's the ppl who get it up the culo in all cases :S


OrangeMek...don't worry man...I don't really feel like defending Hariri anymore than I have already...simply pointing to certain facts that would differentiate him somewhat from the rest of the scum we have back home since I believe he doesn't deserve to be lumped with the rest of them...anyway, I felt like riding your ass cause you're a noob

So let's get back to Knefeh and Shawerma. Much more pleasant topic to discuss I had shawerma today in the Pitts. What a disaster. Worse shit I've ever had. Tasted like sawdust and curry. Don't ask. I'm 100% certain I'll be dreaming of Amir tonight


Posted by Epicurus on Feb-16-2005 06:28:

quote:
Originally posted by AnitA
Yallah! Yallah! Habibs! I LOVE chicken shawarma.........especially the ones they make @ Montforts!! I haven't tasted anything as good since i've been back in Australia.....another excuse to go back to Canada


hahaha Anita...we even have the Croatians on our side in this one...by the way, Paulie's an ass, so if you ever need help flaming him in the Australian forum, let me know and I'll be more than glad to assist in the emasculation of his shaved balls.


Posted by Blinckme on Feb-16-2005 08:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Epicurus
hahaha Anita...we even have the Croatians on our side in this one...by the way, Paulie's an ass, so if you ever need help flaming him in the Australian forum, let me know and I'll be more than glad to assist in the emasculation of his shaved balls.


what's with u and the australians


Posted by OrAnGeMeK on Feb-16-2005 10:55:

Re: Re: yo hold up a sec

quote:
Originally posted by Epicurus
...anyway, I felt like riding your ass cause you're a noob



NOT REALLY!!!
hehehe


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