TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Music Discussion
-- Did Ferry Corsten killed trance?
Pages (12): « 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 9 10 11 12 »

quote:

Originally posted by nwopper Wasn't this locked?

It was locked, why is it unlocked, it will probably end up in a flame war again anyway.

quote:

Originally posted by Project 7

Another wonderful addition to this immensely boring thread.

it seems like no producers today put any meaning to their tracks, other then show me some money.

Like for example. Paul does it alot. Listen to Face 2 face. You can tell he is trying to say something to you. His reflections album is the same way. Almost every track has a meaning, and wants to send you a message. In my opinion his tracks without vocals have a greater meaning then the ones with vocals. I think he is basically the only dj that will actually sing with every song in his tracklist, because most of the time personal to him. If you wan't another example check out his mix of the couch, or the humate mix of leban.

When i look at some of these new tracklists & productions, it seems like the tracks are just thrown into reason. And artists just throw a jumble of synths together, and keep redoing stuff till they "think" they come up with something catchy. It does not seem like there is a meaning in any of them. Then they look in the news paper for some cool name.

Even some tracks with vocals mean nothing, satellite? can anyone tell me the meaning to it?

quote:

Originally posted by aloep Another wonderful addition to this immensely boring thread.

Oh do you ever stfu

You have a serious problem. I dunno what it is but you need to go and see a doctor about it

quote:

Originally posted by Project 7 Oh do you ever stfu You have a serious problem. I dunno what it is but you need to go and see a doctor about it

take it to a private message...

quote:

Originally posted by Project 7 Oh do you ever stfu You have a serious problem. I dunno what it is but you need to go and see a doctor about it

uhm.. i think the one with a problem is you, you narrowminded fool.

quote:

Originally posted by n0bben uhm.. i think the one with a problem is you, you narrowminded fool.

lol

quote:

Originally posted by sandstorm03 Even some tracks with vocals mean nothing, satellite? can anyone tell me the meaning to it?

One of my killer arguments is that lyrics don't add anything to the quality of a song, and nobody has raised an argument to disprove that.

Sand Leaper- it's subjective as to whether the epic trance formula is good or bad. It may be more "accessible", but you'd have to be pretty damn elitist to consider that a bad thing.

I think a major problem is people's resentment towards the kind of person epic trance attracts. The wide-eyed, naive and often idiotic newbie who thinks this new kind of music they've discovered is somehow better because it isn't as mainstream as rap or pop. This is a particular problem with Americans, because even epic trance is highly underground to them, while other forms of music are saturated across the media. We should forgive them, because most of us were at that stage once, and we matured and developed (well, most of us).

Epic trance isn't bad music, and even it's popularity isn't bad. Accept it for what it is and don't hate a genre for the people who follow it.

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J One of my killer arguments is that lyrics don't add anything to the quality of a song, and nobody has raised an argument to disprove that. Sand Leaper- it's subjective as to whether the epic trance formula is good or bad. It may be more "accessible", but you'd have to be pretty damn elitist to consider that a bad thing. I think a major problem is people's resentment towards the kind of person epic trance attracts. The wide-eyed, naive and often idiotic newbie who thinks this new kind of music they've discovered is somehow better because it isn't as mainstream as rap or pop. This is a particular problem with Americans, because even epic trance is highly underground to them, while other forms of music are saturated across the media. We should forgive them, because most of us were at that stage once, and we matured and developed (well, most of us). Epic trance isn't bad music, and even it's popularity isn't bad. Accept it for what it is and don't hate a genre for the people who follow it.

can you name any good epic trance from say the past 2 years?

Good as in good production, good synths, nice variety, and different from the million of other attempts.

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Sand Leaper- it's subjective as to whether the epic trance formula is good or bad. It may be more "accessible", but you'd have to be pretty damn elitist to consider that a bad thing.

It's when trance as a genre goes stagnant as a result of it that's the bad thing here, and like it or not accessiblity and popularity are two of the main contributors to that problem.

quote:

Originally posted by Sand Leaper It's when trance as a genre goes stagnant as a result of it that's the bad thing here, and like it or not accessiblity and popularity are two of the main contributors to that problem.

Why are they? Trance was doing exactly the same in the mid 90s, before the formula got a kick up the arse. Trance needs to evolve as a whole- even the progressive scenes are looking shabby these days.

quote:

Originally posted by Project 7 Oh do you ever stfu You have a serious problem. I dunno what it is but you need to go and see a doctor about it

Amazing. Coming from somebody who posts a 3 year old forum pic without even making it clear who it's directed at.

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Why are they?

Surely you can figure that one out yourself. Why try doing something different musically when the same old epic trance formula pulls in the punters' money in droves anyway?

i killed trance, now

dave piazza, shut the fuck up, and die
ory, g� tillbacks till lunar och *kjama* n�n av dina mobbade polare
project 7, shut the fuck up


now close this meaningless thread

quote:

Originally posted by Sand Leaper Surely you can figure that one out yourself. Why try doing something different musically when the same old epic trance formula pulls in the punters' money in droves anyway?

It doesn't though. Epic trance is now at probably its lowest level of popularity since its conception. It takes talent and intelligence to make something new, which is why there are always far more imitators than pioneers. And if someone does innovate these days, it gets labelled into another endless sub-genre and not associated. Ferry Corsten is actually leading the resurgance of electro into the trance part of the dance music spectrum, but now people won't call him epic trance.

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It doesn't though. Epic trance is now at probably its lowest level of popularity since its conception.

That's cos dance music as a whole is at a low level of popularity world wide at the moment. (Rnb and hip hop excluded) It doesn't change the fact that the reason trance producers never bother to do something different for once is that the same old epic trance formula is too succesful and too safe to give up.

quote:

It takes talent and intelligence to make something new, which is why there are always far more imitators than pioneers. And if someone does innovate these days, it gets labelled into another endless sub-genre and not associated.

That I can agree with.

quote:

Ferry Corsten is actually leading the resurgance of electro into the trance part of the dance music spectrum, but now people won't call him epic trance.

Ferry Corsten has, is and always will be a trance figurehead. His "electro" dabbling has done nothing to change this.

quote:

Originally posted by Sand Leaper That's cos dance music as a whole is at a low level of popularity world wide at the moment. (Rnb and hip hop excluded) It doesn't change the fact that the reason trance producers never bother to do something different for once is that the same old epic trance formula is too succesful and too safe to give up. Ferry Corsten has, is and always will be a trance figurehead. His "electro" dabbling has done nothing to change this.

Ferry Corsten's electro dabbling is innovating, which is undeniable. He's trying to renovate the style, and so avoiding stagnation.

Dance music is not at a low level of popularity, in fact it's popularity currently is actually pretty high. Even so, trance's popularity relative to other EDM genres is at its lowest for years, which was my point.

quote:

Originally posted by sandstorm03 can you name any good epic trance from say the past 2 years? Good as in good production, good synths, nice variety, and different from the million of other attempts.

hell yeah,

Cultivate - Broken Pieces[Goldenscan remix]
Rapid Eye - Stealing Beauty[R.E. mix]
Eyal Barkan - LDMS
Jose Amnesia - The Eternal[Nu NRG remix]
Art Of Trance - Mongoose[Tek-Tonik remix]
Mike Koglin vs. DJ UTO - Yoake[Koglin mix]
Fire & Ice - Para Siempre[Original]

quote:

Originally posted by dj tek hell yeah, Cultivate - Broken Pieces[Goldenscan remix] Rapid Eye - Stealing Beauty[R.E. mix] Eyal Barkan - LDMS Jose Amnesia - The Eternal[Nu NRG remix] Art Of Trance - Mongoose[Tek-Tonik remix] Mike Koglin vs. DJ UTO - Yoake[Koglin mix] Fire & Ice - Para Siempre[Original]

well thats no suprise, since all of them have been proven for ages. Any new artists that started producing after like 2000?

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Ferry Corsten's electro dabbling is innovating, which is undeniable. He's trying to renovate the style, and so avoiding stagnation.

Your point was that Ferry is not called trance cos of his experiments. I've never heard anyone associate him with any other genre than trance, even after RYBR and Punk.

quote:

Dance music is not at a low level of popularity, in fact it's popularity currently is actually pretty high.

If dance music is so popular, how come so many former edm clubs have either shut down or converted to hiphop/rnb? How come we have no new acts like Underworld or Orbital rocking indie festivals? How come so many promoters express their hard time of coping with rnb/hip hop on the clubscene (which includes those who have actually tried new things as time went by)?

And even if trance isn't popular right now as you claim it to be, that still doesn't change the fact that going for the same old formula is a lot safer and has a much better chance of results than actually going somewhere new, which ultimately leads to stagnation and less will to be creative.

quote:

Originally posted by sandstorm03 well thats no suprise, since all of them have been proven for ages. Any new artists that started producing after like 2000?

well you didnt ask for new producers work of good epic trance... in that case, not much.

quote:

Originally posted by Sand Leaper If dance music is so popular, how come so many former edm clubs have either shut down or converted to hiphop/rnb? How come we have no new acts like Underworld or Orbital rocking indie festivals? How come so many promoters express their hard time of coping with rnb/hip hop on the clubscene (which includes those who have actually tried new things as time went by)?

i cant argue about europe, but in the US the government servearly hurts dance music. We can't even have an event outside in NYC later then 10 pm. For a while we were not even allowed to dance in clubs. Meanwhile billions of lies are told to the public about just about everything. "Free speach" is just another means of control. Its to bad that most Americans do not realize this.

quote:

Originally posted by dj tek well you didnt ask for new producers work of good epic trance... in that case, not much.

thats my point. new artists see edm as a "cash crop" that they could just throw on their computer and make some money. IMO most older producers still put emotion & creativity into their tracks. Or atleast more then the newer producers.


And that is the problem with productions as a whole, not just trance. Its no suprise to me that djs like paul & marco v, and even tiesto have changed their style over the past few years. Paul is strait up electro hard trance at the moment. Armin hasn't gotten the point.

quote:

Originally posted by Sand Leaper Your point was that Ferry is not called trance cos of his experiments. I've never heard anyone associate him with any other genre than trance, even after RYBR and Punk.

I didn't say he isn't called trance- he isn't called epic trance, which is what we're arguing about, no?

quote:

If dance music is so popular, how come so many former edm clubs have either shut down or converted to hiphop/rnb? How come we have no new acts like Underworld or Orbital rocking indie festivals? How come so many promoters express their hard time of coping with rnb/hip hop on the clubscene (which includes those who have actually tried new things as time went by)?

Strange that I keep seeing new club nights and clubs opening every month in the dance press then. Strange how there is a constant flow of house records into the chart at the moment. And have you ever heard of Mylo?

quote:

And even if trance isn't popular right now as you claim it to be, that still doesn't change the fact that going for the same old formula is a lot safer and has a much better chance of results than actually going somewhere new, which ultimately leads to stagnation and less will to be creative.

So? Is epic trance solely to blame for that? Is it the only genre that is doing that? By that logic, all genres of trance are guilty of that because they haven't evolved for years.

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I didn't say he isn't called trance- he isn't called epic trance, which is what we're arguing about, no?

"Trance" obviously means epic trance in this case, since that's what people usually refer to when talking about it on here. Don't be a nitpick.

quote:

Strange that I keep seeing new club nights and clubs opening every month in the dance press then. Strange how there is a constant flow of house records into the chart at the moment.

Is Call On Me and Lola's Theme your idea of a "constant flow of house records into the chart"? And a bunch of new club nights and clubs opening every month does not help if they play for half-filled (or less) venues for 2 months before closing their doors.

quote:

And have you ever heard of Mylo?

Has Mylo played Pinkpop in Amsterdam to 30.000 people? Has Mylo sent Glastonbury's indie crowd into a frenzy?

quote:

So? Is epic trance solely to blame for that? Is it the only genre that is doing that? By that logic, all genres of trance are guilty of that because they haven't evolved for years.

Whether it's the only genre doing it or not is irrelevant. The point is that that's what's been happening ever since producers realized the instant impact of the epic trance formula.

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.