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Originally posted by basd www.decks.de has a reasonable trance selection, and you don't need a credit card in order to get records from them. At least I don't (I'm in Holland, they're in Germany), dunno how it is for Norway though. They're reliable as well, ordered off them quite a few times.

Yep, you can pay with bank transfer on Decks Records which sure is very reliable store and i have used quite a few times myself too. Same goes for Chemical and Dancegrooves. All great stores and no credit card needed. So "not having Visa" shouldn't be as big of a problem as you make of it. There are several other decent stores, mainly German, where you can buy without a credit card too but they have quite varying prices and shipping compared to the bigger stores.

avb from an interview ...
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=282488

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Armin Van Buuren Yes everywhere it's like this. It's great that the internet exists. At this moment the internet saves the music. Naturally it is not good for the intellectual rights and for the companies, but I would not be sitting here on sofa and drink champagne and speak to you without it. I am famous because the world can find and hear my show on the internet. Legal or illegal it does not matter.

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Originally posted by Palladium if you really love music (i'm talking as the producer) you shouldn't care about money care about ppl really likes what you produced and give them the most amazing music they'll ever hear

disagree esp. because you said talking from a producer point of view....many producers do remixes and play there best and put out good tunes to hopefully make it in the music industry as a whole and get cash for it.....

nice thread here, no bashing whatsoever, what a nice community we have here huh?! *grouphug*
after 2 hours of reading i'm through the whole thread.
I'm one of those who download as a result of low offer (trance) in the stores. I spend a lot money on cd's (mostly other genres ofcourse), so if the offer was bigger here in Belgium, I'd certainly download less and buy more!

btw, Benno: Rank 1 - Symsonic was the first trance cd I bought =). Even my 57 old father loves the single symsonic =>. what a piece of art!

i'm just curious about another thing. If u have bought a CD, and it's damaged (by yourself). Do u feel that u have the right to download it and burn it on a cd?

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Originally posted by Gladius nice thread here, no bashing whatsoever, what a nice community we have here huh?! *grouphug* after 2 hours of reading i'm through the whole thread. I'm one of those who download as a result of low offer (trance) in the stores. I spend a lot money on cd's (mostly other genres ofcourse), so if the offer was bigger here in Belgium, I'd certainly download less and buy more! btw, Benno: Rank 1 - Symsonic was the first trance cd I bought =). Even my 57 old father loves the single symsonic =>. what a piece of art!

FUCK OFF I HATE YOU YOU FUCKING FUCK!!

hehe i joke

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Originally posted by Soeder i'm just curious about another thing. If u have bought a CD, and it's damaged (by yourself). Do u feel that u have the right to download it and burn it on a cd?

Why would you have to pay for the same thing twice? It's really not that different from buying a CD, ripping it to your HD, then having the CD break and copying your ripped file back to another CD.

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Originally posted by Aquarian Why would you have to pay for the same thing twice? It's really not that different from buying a CD, ripping it to your HD, then having the CD break and copying your ripped file back to another CD.

Yea. That's not really a big deal. Once you have the rights, you have the rights.

Besides, whenever I buy a CD, it stays in it's jewel case safely stored away after I duplicate it and rip it at 320kbps anyway! At least. That's what I've been doing now.

I hate having accidents with my shiny pieces of plastic.

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Originally posted by Soeder i'm just curious about another thing. If u have bought a CD, and it's damaged (by yourself). Do u feel that u have the right to download it and burn it on a cd?

yes... i download tunes i have on vinyl all the time (since it's easier & normally better quality than me ripping them), and don't feel bad about it... even though it's technically illegal

anyone in the business/industry knows how much this is hurting us. all those who arent dont realize the bigger picture here & how destructive this ACTUALLY is.

richard @ release

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Originally posted by Subtle reasons not to pay for music, is the fact that its impossible to get.. Trance has been taken off the record stores.. its just not there, its not even possible to order it.. (i know u can order through web) but thats for those who has VISA, which myself doesnt..

i've bought from/browsed loads of recordstores online, at least 10 different ones i think. and only one of them has ever required visa/mastercard, the rest i've been able to do with a solo debit card (although not sure if you get them in other countries)

can you not apply for a visa anyway? i got one last year, just to use in situations like that, i use my debitcard for everything else whenever i can

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Originally posted by richard raiban anyone in the business/industry knows how much this is hurting us. all those who arent dont realize the bigger picture here & how destructive this ACTUALLY is. richard @ release

I still find it hard to believe it's THAT destructive for the artists. As others already pointed out, only a very small portion of the actual music revenue goes to them, the ones who deserve most of the money in my book.

The fact that the 'industry' as you call it suffers from this does not really bother me. As I said, they're taking away too much money from the artists anyway.

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Originally posted by basd I still find it hard to believe it's THAT destructive for the artists.

everyone is affected (artist, labels, vendors) NOT just the artist. and im refering to our music scene.

richard @ release

bahumbug.

igor @ home

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij - dj's and producers make too much money in the first place

ROFL

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Originally posted by richard raiban everyone is affected (artist, labels, vendors) NOT just the artist.

That's what I was saying. Artists shouldn't be affected that much because the rest of your beloved 'industry' keeps grabbing away most of the money involved anyway.

bas @ work

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I had to get some issues of my chest after reasing this thread!

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If I like it, I'll buy it...

Downloading MP3s you haven't paid for is wrong. End of story. This is what samples are for on Juno, iTunes, beatport etc, to get a feel for the song. Many people would look down on someone who walked into a record store, nicked a CD, took it home, tried it, and if they didn't like it, take it back? It would and should cost you money to do that (like video rental).

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If I don't, I'll delete it...

Again, you should know if you like it or not from listening to radio, sets, webcasts, samples etc. I bet alot of people don't LOVE a track but they'll keep it incase they need it in the future.

You wouldn't let someone go to your house, take your plasma TV that you'd worked your ass off for, and say "oh it's not illegal 'cos I'll bring it back tomorrow if I don't like it, and if I do like it, I'll keep it and go out and buy another one".
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I don't like funding the bloated labels, record companies etc...

Well sorry people, but they're the p2p of the illegal mp3 world. Without them, the artists don't get recognised/promoted/advertised to a high standard. The artists get more money than if they weren't with these kinds of companies.

If they don't promote certain artists, then that's fine. Suppos-ed artists who you'd never otherwise hear of can officially upload their stuff online if they wish.

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It's not just the artists and the CEOs who you're stealing from. The people who burn the CDs, sound techinicians etc get slightly less money to, pay their rent, go on holiday, feed their families etc. Yes, on a grand scale, it all adds up.

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There are ample means to buy tunes. Yes, not all stores have a wide variety, but that's 'cos they're not allowed the rights (yet) to offer it for purchase, because the artist hasn't given permission. And that's the way it should stay.

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RANT OVER

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Originally posted by Col ROFL

yeah haha really...thats kinda broad...

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You wouldn't let someone go to your house, take your plasma TV that you'd worked your ass off for, and say "oh it's not illegal 'cos I'll bring it back tomorrow if I don't like it, and if I do like it, I'll keep it and go out and buy another one".

that's diffrent, a tune is for sale. My plasma tv is not!
otherwise u got some valid point in your chest

Although it technically is stealing, I will always download for two reasons:

1. To preview the album so as to decide whether to buy it or not

2. I'm not going to pay for an album if their are only one or two tracks that I like from a particular artist.... thats just bullshit.

There, i've had my say

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Originally posted by Soeder that's diffrent, a tune is for sale. My plasma tv is not! otherwise u got some valid point in your chest

In his chest?

yeah. he had to get some issues out of his chest, so i asumed that's where they came from

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Originally posted by Soeder that's diffrent, a tune is for sale. My plasma tv is not! otherwise u got some valid point in your chest

In my opinion stealing is about taking something away without permission. Whether it's for sale doesn't matter to me. It's all about take something that doesn't belong to you.

Again, using that flawed analogy. While he's 'borrowing' your plasma TV, you can't use it. He's taking a material object. Official definitions of the word 'stealing' haven't really been updated, but that's a matter of linguistics. Stealing means to take a physical object (a plasma TV for example) from it's rightful owner without permission. Copying something without permission is very different.

to rephrase,

when downloading an mp3 you aren't depriving the original owner of it, therefore it != theft. just copyright theft

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