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Originally posted by sshyperion 'cause you know it's soooo nice to read about how we're all tards and that certain genres of trance are gone.

agreed. my biggest problem with human's today? not the looters in new orleans, or the terrorists, or the corporate slobs, or our white house administration.

music-elitists!

not saying you are websley . but if there's one kind of human being that really makes me want to commit murder. it's those folks.

They're probably better at hating music, than they are at liking it. They've never heard of an open mind, etc. And there's these kind of people everywhere! The indie-rock/emo-fags are JUST AS BAD imo as some of the dweebs on TA.

But yea. Fate of trance. Once again. Less Tiesto, more underground, AND ENOUGH WITH THE "200X Edition's" of tracks! OMFG seriously. 2005 has been quite the dry year for original productions! I don't follow the house scene too closely, so I don't know how they're doing, but as trance is concerned it's been kinda lame.

Anyway.

i would make it so that everyone liked a lot of different styles and trance and went to see djs for the music they place rather than their name. also, make it generally more popular again, not voerly popular, just enough so nights werent closing left right and centre.

Less fags who bitch about what other people want to listen to. More people who are looking for a good time rather than some background music to get drunk to.

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Originally posted by Elroy79 Less fags who bitch about what other people want to listen to. More people who are looking for a good time rather than some background music to get drunk to.

amen!

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Originally posted by DJFreaq I don't follow the house scene too closely, so I don't know how they're doing, but as trance is concerned it's been kinda lame. Anyway.

eh you're not missing much. it relates a bit more to the people who get drunk/stoned/acid-tripped/etc. and need some bgm these days. the queer club scene in toronto still has a strong house presence and it's really crappy imo; why do I say that? Because it sounds too much like the exact same stuff, plus *some* of the DJs hired play rehashed house favourites much like favourites being rehashed and replayed to a painful level of dipleasure. I've found house scene also is a bit more on the dance music flavouring which isn't too bad. still, doesn't beat good trance. as for Tiesto I agree the genre shouldn't be always referred back to him. For now he's the hot shit but remember what I posted a while back about? They can raise the genre but at the cost of soon being less fresh and drawing in the poseurs.

boo music-elitists . /end (semi) random

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Originally posted by Aquarian the chart-topping tunes are full of crap

Much agreed mate. top 40 charts are horrible to listen to... if i remember rightly some EDM music beat some pop acts to the number 1 spot in the UK.. radio 1 on sunday evening.. it think i remember Delerium - Silence becoming No1 and stayed there for a couple of weeks or a week.. im not sure..

If i had the fate of trance id show people its true beauty and eductate mainstreamers that trance is not rip off un talented half wits like Dj Sammy or Special D ( Special D wat a fucking name ) and show them the reality of this beautiful genre and get as many people hooked as possible without arsehole labels and fuckwits trying 2 make a quick few ��� out of it for his/hers own stash

Trance is a awesome and inspiring form of music that no other genre can replicate in any way

LONG LIVE TRANCE

Peace

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Originally posted by Soonmeister Trance is a awesome and inspiring form of music that no other genre can replicate in any way LONG LIVE TRANCE Peace

:') you speak to my heart sir. many blessings to you.

same here. And what the hell is up with these so-called "DJs" with the letter D at the end of their names?! DJ Danny D DJ Marky D. I'm sorry folks that doesn't make you any better. If anything it shows your inability to mix properly and be creative in your names, further ruining our lovely music .

I would kill tiesto and rape his girlfriend (what? she's hot
Now )
I'd move 50 cents to produce trance
Now for real...
I'd slap tiesto, armin, pvd, sasha, digweed and the rest and tell them to wake up cuz they are just ruining everything up.
I'd prefer them to start doing better and less comirialized stuff but if they just can't do it then quit.
They can still dj or produce, just don't call it trance.
It's not.
I'd pay DJ Sammy to rape paul oakenfold's ass if he won't stop releasing shit.
I'd ban drugs from the scene (If the drugies here will start flaming me it will be fun
), I think it only does bad to pepole and to the image of the scene itself.

Just my 2 cents,
Omer

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 My dislike for trance bumper stickers and ringtones has alot to do with the way EDM is treated in America. Americans love EDM, but they just don't realize it. EDM is in the background of all our commercials, we hear it when we go to the mall and walk by the abercrombie, we hear it behind our tv shows, we hear it everywhere, except on the radio and at the parties. It really pisses me off that trance music and most other EDM is considered by most Americans as background music that is not to be paid attention to. Way too much talent is wasted making music that goes into the background of stuff that the typical person just ignores. When someone comes along who has one of those songs on the cd, kid will recognize it but not know where it came from, until somebody chimes in, "hey is that the song from the mitsubishi commercial with the stupid bitch in the pink hat squirming in the passenger seat?" So my previous rant about eliminating tance from the selection of background material available to marketers was mainly because I think trance music deserves much better, it deserves to be in the places where people go when they want to listen to music and not behind commercials acting as some silly trendy sound that nobody will ever really appreciate. The general masses who see your bumper sticker or hear your ringtone don't deserve to be hearing the music if they are going to just treat it as background material, you should save your need to express yourself for the people who are willing to actually listen to EDM for the joy of it instead of using it as background material, or else your just gonna be the nerdy kid who listens to songs from behind commercials. Anyway, I would make trance available only at places where people go for the purpose of listening to music, no more of this background music crap.

Imo everyone should like those stickers.
You see a sticker on a car and then a hot chick approches and opens the car's door.
Just for the chance of hitting with her, you should like it
The first line will be "OMG you listen to trance?" and here we go.
You got yourself a date, or atleast a one night stand :P

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Originally posted by sshyperion that's all fine and dandy but still doesn't really answer the thread's primary question: what would you do if you had the Fate of Trance in your hands? 'cause you know it's soooo nice to read about how we're all tards and that certain genres of trance are gone.

Ok, ok...

If I could decide the fate of Trance, I'd move it to Break- or Techtrance and the innovation of it...
I'd also give futurepop a good chance to hit the mainstream public. Perhaps more techno influences will be needed in this Industrial-type music. Better songs, better inspiration.

Ta hell with hardstyle, I'd say

What would I do with trance?

Try to combine the energy, experimentalism, and variety of pre-1995 trance with the mixing and mastering of 2008 trance.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles What would I do with trance? Try to combine the energy, experimentalism, and variety of pre-1995 trance with the mixing and mastering of 2008 trance.

I love classic trance with Cosmic Baby, Resistance-D etc. but recently i re-discovered how superb 97 and 98 trance was. People thing of 96, 97 and 98 trance, and instantly thing of the typical epic trance with the long breakdowns etc. This is how i remebered the era as well. Recently though, i played again "Forbidden Paradise 7-Deep Forest" and "Magik-2 Story of the Fall" by Tiesto (yea i know his name is "dirty" today but back then he was something of an underground hero of "Euro-trance" as they used to call this sound back then) and i was blown away by the music. I always thought of long breakdowns and stuff, but i was wrong. This stuff is totally comprised of pumping beats mixed with hypnotic gated chords, intense bass riffs, acid sequences and emotional arpeggios all harmonically mixed in an ever-flowing moving structure. I had complety forgot how this kind of melodic trance was sounding back then. I can't see why people say that sound had NOTHING to do with classic trance this is defintielly over-stretched. That sound was the natural evolution of Dance 2 Trance, Jam and Spoon, Cosmic Baby, Datura and Cygnus-X and it was indeed superb. People maybe confuse the era with the more mainstream,epic stuff released in '99 like "El-Nino", "Toca Me" or "Synaesthesia".

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Originally posted by PETRAN I can't see why people say that sound had NOTHING to do with classic trance this is defintielly over-stretched.

They're certainly related. It was much more of a continuous evolution than a sharp break. I can enjoy a lot of the stuff in the period you're talking about.

I love the kind of stuff that Sasha was playing from 1997 - 99, for example. Great melodic prog trance.

make it darker and simpler

i would send it on a 20 year journey to return to its homeland, constantly endangered by legion of unfriendly mythological creatures, desires of the flesh, self-doubt, and apathy.

Then I would devour its children and/or have sex with them on a mountain.

id instantly turn music production technology and computer technology back to how it was before 2000. and halt all advances in technology. back in those pre 2000 days i couldnt afford all the hardware and a decent pc to sequence on, so id not ba able to make music like i can now. but i know the music available would overall be better in the long run. and i think now im older with more money i would be able to fork out the �5-10k needed for a good studio back then.

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Originally posted by richg101 im older with more money i would be able to fork out the �5-10k needed for a good studio back then.

good for you.

too bad older folks tend to be jaded and not like trance, right?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles They're certainly related. It was much more of a continuous evolution than a sharp break. Personally, I don't mind a lot of the stuff that came out until around 1999, which is when the "who can make the biggest, baddest breakdown" contest became the whole goal of the more popular kind of trance, and its roots in techno were left behind for good. I love the kind of stuff that Sasha was playing from 1997 - 99, for example. Great melodic prog trance.

Exactly, trance started as a more melodic and hypnotic kind of techno (or the Germans' struggle in producing Detroit Techno, ending-up in...trance!) and continuously evolved into more and more melodic structures, ending-up in some wayyy-too anthemic tunes of '99. As you said, the change was not sudden and clear-cut though but gradual, linear and continuous, and as i look back at it now, great tunes appeared all over the 90s, from 91-99. Thing is that many people (including me) always thought of ALL trance coming from the second half of 90s as the wayy-too anthemic/epic type which is clearly not the case. Even in the second half of the 90s, the sound was slower, and retained the hypnotic and rhythmical components of the classic trance, components which completely dissapeared after the millenium. Yes, break-downs (and at times a bit long ones) indeed existed but they had nothing to do with the anthemic saw circus with the screaming melodies that were common in many releases of bloody mr. Ferry Corsten. It was more of a hypnotic and emotional gated melody repeating itself before all the components joining again and exploding in mid-tempo hypnotic dancing frenzy. Yes the sound was anthemic but then again, so were many (probably the most) classic trance releases.

You've probably heard these but just to remind.


Here's a tune from "Forbidden Paradise 7"

Steve Baltes- "My Style"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iyM...feature=related


and by "Magik-1 first flight"

The Voyager- "Back on Earth"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMRVu6WqciI


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As for sasha and digweed, if you mean stuff like northern exposure 2, as far as i remember that was a mix of typical british prog-house and the "Germanic/Dutch/Belgian" prog-euro (call it what you want) trance of the era which was identical to the ones appearing in Tiesto's first compilations (e.g. Dj Taucher, LSG, Transa). The boudnaries were not that clear-cut back them.

I'd have it evolve into 3 different sub-branches:

a) usually 125-130 BPM. Very interchangeable with tech-house and techno, borrowing both elements from it and from early 90s classic trance. Basically tech-house with an hypnotic feeling and more synthesizer/arpeggio layers than usual. Pretty much a continuation of the "neotrance" idea that seems to be dying. The perfect stuff if you're a crossover house/techno dj and want to incorporate some trance elements.

b) usually 132-138 BPM. Remember Sasha and Digweed's "Northern Exposure" series? Remember James Holden's early singles like I Have Put Out The Light and Way Out West's remix of Horizons? Remember later obscure Bonzai tracks like Float - Preparation? THAT sound. Slightly evolved into something intentionally more listening-oriented than club-oriented. We could label it "deep trance", even if this would technically be more "progressive trance" than anything else, just to separate it from the dying nonsense that progressive developed into. And to emphasize that this is meant to be a DEEP sound.

c) usually 138-145 BPM. Forget the last 5 or 6 years of trance. Remember how epic trance used to be played very fast-paced? Remember Paul Van Dyk pitching up tracks in insane amounts, like over +8%? Remember Tiesto's 1999->2000 new years eve Trance Energy set? I don't really like epic trance all that much any more, but it worked so much better at that speed. With that slightly hard edge. Funny thing is that those old 1993 Cosmic Baby tracks worked really well due to the same thing -> the speed those melodies kept going through the speakers. Let's fuse those two sounds together with one condition -> keep the amount of breakdowns and supersaws to a minimum.

With all sorts of crossover tracks between these 3 branches of course, but with most music being clustered into these 3 main ideas.

With an emphasis back on giving the audience a "human", full, dirty sound, rather than spending ages polishing those frequencies until every synth sounds absolutely 100% crystal clear. I hate that shit, whenever I hear it it always seems to have detracted from the creativity of the artist in actually writing the track. (I'm not sure if I've managed to describe correctly what I want here. )

With that soft, slow sound, heavily influenced by pop, rock and progressive house, dead and buried. Armin, Markus, Gabriel & Dresden: fuck off.

I wish so much that I had the patience and the skills to turn these ideas into music...

As someone else said, make it simpler. Too much bloated shite from labels like anjunabeats with probably 100 or so tracks, it sounds shitty.

By the way, in this my idea of trance that I've just described, the psy scene would also remain unchanged and hopefully locked in a far, safe place, completely separate from it. Just to keep the hippies busy and make sure both themselves and their horrible noises don't crossover into the other trance scene.

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Originally posted by noikeee I'd have it evolve into 3 different sub-branches: a) usually 125-130 BPM. Very interchangeable with tech-house and techno, borrowing both elements from it and from early 90s classic trance. Basically tech-house with an hypnotic feeling and more synthesizer/arpeggio layers than usual. Pretty much a continuation of the "neotrance" idea that seems to be dying. The perfect stuff if you're a crossover house/techno dj and want to incorporate some trance elements.

If by "Neo-Trance" you mean melodic mnml like Gui Boratto and The Field, then it is defintielly not dying, since both albums received massive critical acclaim when they were released in 2007. The Field - "From Here We Go Sublime" was my number-1 EDM record of 2007 as well. It used basic 90s proto-EDM ideas like simple arpeggios and chopped vocal samples (music that refers back to both early British Prog-House like Spooky- "Gargantuan" and early German Trance) creating a simple and beautifull result. I would like to see that melodic mnml sound developing further.

I remember you raving about that album a couple months ago in some random thread, but I never could be arsed to go search for it.

Don't know why but I wasn't very impressed by Boratto's album, though.

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Originally posted by sleepydragon I dont know how u can compare the two

Because when you go on holiday, say for example you go to Disneyland, that's your enjoyment. But to the guy working at the cafe where you're having a coffee on a sunny day, it's a job.

Likewise, the music you enjoy, is what someone is doing for a living. They'll have off years, and they may hate their job, but they do it because they earn a lot. Who can blame them? Money and sales talk.

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