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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Being an insurance adjuster and having dealt with large water claims I can tell you right now that anything that is wet for this period of time.....even if it is clean water....is going to be ruined. Personally, I think they are going about it all wrong....the clean up needs to be done in phases and you can't start one phase without first completing the phase before. 1. Get all survivors out of there...nothing else can start until they get the survivors out. 2. Fix the leves. Water will continue to enter until the leves are fixed. 3. Get the water out of there 4. Get power up and running 5. Start clean up and rebuilding phase 6. Allow people back into the area

Kudos. Best response on the board. The State nor Feds couldn't send in normal immediate relief because the damn town was flooding. Police couldn't really arrest folks because they had no where to jail them. ARNG had to mobilize at home stations with equipment and self surviving essentials before deploying. Don't know how disaster coud've been avoided other than money spent on strengtening the levee system well before the storm hit; it was literally a disaster just waiting to happen. Residents were also warned well in advance that the catastrophe was coming...


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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced If we want to put blame somewhere...then I hate to say it but lets blame the people who got themselves stuck in New Orleans. They had over 24 hours from the time the initial evacuation call went out and they didn't leave. If they would have left then they wouldn't be in this situation.

Okay buddy. These people are the poorest of the poor. They don't have vehicles. Many others have sick loved ones that couldn't be moved easily.

I'm sure some just chose to stay, but I can almost guarantee most would've left if they could've.

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Originally posted by guster Okay buddy. These people are the poorest of the poor. They don't have vehicles. Many others have sick loved ones that couldn't be moved easily. I'm sure some just chose to stay, but I can almost guarantee most would've left if they could've.

No, the ones stuck there erred on the side of stupidity. They gambled on minor damage from an incoming CAT 5 Hurricane, and are dealing with the consequences. They could've walked out of the town (like they're doing now), but could've easily gotten a ride out as well. So I'd say remaining residents in New Orleans are either stupid gamblers or just plain stupid.... Don't throw the poor factor on us, please.


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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced 1. Get all survivors out of there...nothing else can start until they get the survivors out. 2. Fix the leves. Water will continue to enter until the leves are fixed. 3. Get the water out of there 4. Get power up and running 5. Start clean up and rebuilding phase 6. Allow people back into the area

yep. i think this IS the plan. It's a gargantuan undertaking though. Could take 12 months.

For people not leaving...i remember reading the exact phrase was "some die hard's will remain"...and that's what they're doing....to the word

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Originally posted by guster Okay buddy. These people are the poorest of the poor. They don't have vehicles. Many others have sick loved ones that couldn't be moved easily. I'm sure some just chose to stay, but I can almost guarantee most would've left if they could've.

I agree...there are those who had no choice.....the sick who were stuck in hospitals and those taking care of the sick could not leave. That being said.....the state or the federal government should have made arrangements to get those people out of there prior to the hurricane.

As for the poor....I am sure they could have found a way to leave. Just because you don't have a car doesn't mean there are not other ways to get out of town.

I guarantee there is a large number of people who did not leave because they didn't think it was going to be that bad or those that wanted a chance to get some cheap goods. I have no sympathy for those individuals. They elected to stay and they should have to deal with the decision they made.

incidentally with the pot shots from pop rifles bought from corner shops, does this mean gun laws will be re considered?

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Originally posted by Phil raa incidentally with the pot shots from pop rifles bought from corner shops, does this mean gun laws will be re considered?

Nope...Americans love their guns way too much

alright its not often i come into a serious thread and post something serious but today i would like to give "VIVID"S POINT OF VIEEEEEEW"


well all i hear when this subject comes up is "why havent they sent any aid?!?!? wha the hell is going on!??! wheres the army wheres the red cross wheres this wheres that?!?!"

well i have a pretty logical answer for all of that.

here are my two reasons.


#1 natural disasters boost the economy. The more damage /the more people killed = the more jobs contracted out during the aftermath, thus boosting the american economy which lately has seemed to be pretty crappy.

reason #2

The American government has always been a bunch of oppurtunists. whenever something hits at home the peoples view is only at home. what our question should be is what is happeneing around the world right now?!?

i mean lets take the columbine incident for example. our view was directed at the problem at home. meanwhile, on the same day as the columbine incident The Us sent an air strike and blew the fuck out of croatia and we only found out about it months and months later.

The US tends to be oppurtunists like that. so while our views are totally directed at home, What is actuially happening in Iraq and how many ppl are being killed?



thank you That is all

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Originally posted by Phil raa incidentally with the pot shots from pop rifles bought from corner shops, does this mean gun laws will be re considered?

No, it means that Marshal Law is in effect in New Orleans. Anyone caught with a weapon who doesn't drop it and raise their hands on their order will be shot to death by the police or National Guard.

That's the way it works.


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Originally posted by Vivid Boy well all i hear when this subject comes up is "why havent they sent any aid?!?!? wha the hell is going on!??! wheres the army wheres the red cross wheres this wheres that?!?!" well i have a pretty logical answer for all of that. here are my two reasons. #1 natural disasters boost the economy. The more damage /the more people killed = the more jobs contracted out during the aftermath, thus boosting the american economy which lately has seemed to be pretty crappy. reason #2 The American government has always been a bunch of oppurtunists. whenever something hits at home the peoples view is only at home. what our question should be is what is happeneing around the world right now?!? thank you That is all

I have to agree...to an extent...americans do tend to hold themselves to a higher regard then others...but to an extent I think we all do that.

First of all, the government should have been proactive instead of reactive in this matter and I am sure there will be disaster plans set up now that will address this. That being said, since they are reactive in this situation I can understand that it takes time to gather all the supplies and man power needed for an operation of this size. I don't think the government has done a bad job here other then the fact they are being reactive instead of proactive.

I agree with your reason number one for sure. This disaster will have a huge spike on the american economy for at least the next 12 months....the only problem is....by that time people will have forgotten the 10s of billions of dollars that the government is spending upfront. The economy will look good in about 6 months but the debt being taken on by the government is going to be disasterous. I can't wait till the next president gets to take a look at the books and sees how badly Bush has fucked the country over with the debt he will leave behind.

Let them fucking ROT

I will not donate a fucking cent from my pocket to those animals

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Originally posted by SebG Let them fucking ROT I will not donate a fucking cent from my pocket to those animals

Poor rationale there, especially if you donated to the tsunami effort. Or do you think that all 250k (or was it more?) tsunami victims were good upstanding people?

You don't see the good people of New Orleans because that doesnt make the news. All you see is the looters and criminals. To paint the whole city based on what youve seen on the news is childish, at best.

after watching the evening news and learning more about the situation I've changed my mind...

Let George Bush Rot and Save New Orleans

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Originally posted by igottaknow after watching the evening news and learning more about the situation I've changed my mind... Let George Bush Rot and Save New Orleans

what made you change your mind exactly

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Originally posted by tribu Poor rationale there, especially if you donated to the tsunami effort. Or do you think that all 250k (or was it more?) tsunami victims were good upstanding people? You don't see the good people of New Orleans because that doesnt make the news. All you see is the looters and criminals. To paint the whole city based on what youve seen on the news is childish, at best.

That's because the good people of New Orleans left when they were told to do so.

How can you possibly think that this disaster will BENEFIT the economy, Vivid Boy?

According to news reports that i have read, Louisiana supplies roughly 25% of the USA's energy needs through oil. Think about this for a minute. Now, this hurricane has completely destroyed the oil production in the area. Petrol prices all around the country have already risen dramatically. Almost every sector of the economy is going to be hit by the rising energy costs.

This is going to have a huge impact on the US economy and experts are already predicting that growth is going to slow to a crawl. The damage bill from Hurricane Katrina is already expected to reach US$50 billion.



You seem to have a pretty distorted view of economics my friend......

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Originally posted by Sunsnail what made you change your mind exactly

when i heard thousands of ppl were directed to the superdome and then were left there without any food, water, or medicine. they could of drop lifted something for them or sent buses to move to a location where they could be taken care of. instead they were left there to fend for themselves or die.

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Originally posted by A.J. How can you possibly think that this disaster will BENEFIT the economy, Vivid Boy? According to news reports that i have read, Louisiana supplies roughly 25% of the USA's energy needs through oil. Think about this for a minute. Now, this hurricane has completely destroyed the oil production in the area. Petrol prices all around the country have already risen dramatically. Almost every sector of the economy is going to be hit by the rising energy costs. This is going to have a huge impact on the US economy and experts are already predicting that growth is going to slow to a crawl. The damage bill from Hurricane Katrina is already expected to reach US$50 billion. You seem to have a pretty distorted view of economics my friend......

i dont mean to scream conspiracy. but think abt what u said for a moment

in all of this whos making money?

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy i dont mean to scream conspiracy. but think abt what u said for a moment in all of this whos making money?

canadians & australians?

and the way i look at is this.


i have a company called aquilo air system design. now after this happened. i thpught to myself damn theres alot of houses theyre going to have to rebuild. a whole cities worth. that would be alot of work if i was ever contracted that job. i wouldnt be able to do it myself id have to hire people to help. oh look atthat i just employed 100 people/ giving a 100 people work.

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Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_ canadians & australians?

no


p diddy

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Originally posted by A.J. How can you possibly think that this disaster will BENEFIT the economy, Vivid Boy? According to news reports that i have read, Louisiana supplies roughly 25% of the USA's energy needs through oil. Think about this for a minute. Now, this hurricane has completely destroyed the oil production in the area. Petrol prices all around the country have already risen dramatically. Almost every sector of the economy is going to be hit by the rising energy costs. This is going to have a huge impact on the US economy and experts are already predicting that growth is going to slow to a crawl. The damage bill from Hurricane Katrina is already expected to reach US$50 billion. You seem to have a pretty distorted view of economics my friend......

also if u knew abt the gas market ud know that any rumour of any shortage of gas effects gas prices. has nothing to do with the economy.


rememebr gas is a world commodity its bought and sold on the world market. india and china buying the most and the majority of it. so any rumour of a shortage in the future will rise gas prices. does not mean we're running out of any. and once again does not effect our economy

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy no p diddy

aaawwwww


he prolly needs the money too, so he can afford to remove the "p" from the front of his name.

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Originally posted by igottaknow when i heard thousands of ppl were directed to the superdome and then were left there without any food, water, or medicine. they could of drop lifted something for them or sent buses to move to a location where they could be taken care of. instead they were left there to fend for themselves or die.

call it naive, but did people in all honesty think that there WOULD be homes to go back to after katrina had knocked down a few roofs here and there.

That the superdome would provide the extra level of protection for people while the wind was blowing, then they could return safely to a home which may have got a bit battered.

Over optimism?

ps, if those two para's suck, it's 3am and I'm fukd. not drug fukd.

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