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Astros & Braves going into the 14th inning
We have an instant classic here
At this rate, it just might take us right up to the Yanks-Angels game
We just might see Roger Clemens pitch in relief

Florida Marlins: 1.53 WHIP, 4.82 ERA
Atlanta Braves: 1.52 WHIP, 4.66 ERA
Philadelphia Phillies: 1.28 WHIP, 4.25 ERA
New York Mets: 1.44 WHIP, 3.78 ERA
Washington Nationals: 1.34 WHIP, 3.49 ERA

Interesting, no? Weren't the Mets supposed to have the worst bullpen in not only the NL East, but in the entire National League? I love stuff like this...

Lachey is starting again tonight. What do you guys think? Enough rest for him to play against the Yank's?

Yes, Im a newb and I want to get alittle more educate, what does WHIP stand for?

My only guess would be 'Something' Hits per Innings Pitched.

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Originally posted by Vlad Yes, Im a newb and I want to get alittle more educate, what does WHIP stand for? My only guess would be 'Something' Hits per Innings Pitched.

Walks plus Hits per Innings Pitched

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walks_..._inning_pitched

Walks + Hits per inning. That's usually the best stat to go by when judging pitchers as ERA is dependent partially on defense. This year, only Johan and Pedro had WHIPs less than 1.00. And that's dominant. Pedro's 2000 year, he had a 0.80, which is the lowest since 1880.

in comes Clemens to pitch (unless the Astros win it here in the 15th)
and he's going to pinch-hit!

It would've been sweet seeing him drive in the winning run, but he does his job and lays down a nice sac bunt

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Walks + Hits per inning. That's usually the best stat to go by when judging pitchers as ERA is dependent partially on defense. This year, only Johan and Pedro had WHIPs less than 1.00. And that's dominant. Pedro's 2000 year, he had a 0.80, which is the lowest since 1880.

Listen, no matter what anyone says, Pedro is undoubtedly one of the top 10 pitchers ever to play baseball - when hes on, you might as well just forfeit the game.

And you could say the same about the Big Unit in his prime, but Im not sure if hes top 10... top 20 more likely.

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Originally posted by Vlad Listen, no matter what anyone says, Pedro is undoubtedly one of the top 10 pitchers ever to play baseball - when hes on, you might as well just forfeit the game. And you could say the same about the Big Unit in his prime, but Im not sure if hes top 10... top 20 more likely.

Dude... you think you have to tell me that? As far as I'm concerned, he is *the* greatest pitcher ever.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Dude... you think you have to tell me that? As far as I'm concerned, he is *the* greatest pitcher ever.

Its hard to say anyone is the greatest ever, because you dont know how past pitchers would do against today's hitters and vise versa. So any kind of status you put on a pitcher is only speculation.

Could you imagine a rotation with Pedro and Mariano in it... hypotheically... if both of them are on... its safe to say youre not scoring a run, and would be lucky to get a hit.

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Originally posted by Vlad Its hard to say anyone is the greatest ever, because you dont know how past pitchers would do against today's hitters and vise versa. So any kind of status you put on a pitcher is only speculation.

Well... I think it's safe to say that Babe Ruth and Ted Williams are the two greatest hitters ever. So, I'll say that Pedro is the greatest pitcher ever. Of course, this is only going by stats. But... pretty accurate stats.

going into the 17th...

2 Mets records fall
Longest postseason game in innings (1986 vs. Astros)
Longest division series game in time (2000 vs. Giants)

just a little longer, and they'll break the postseason game record, held by the Ventura grand slam single game

Braves are like 1 for a million with runners in scoring position today. Sigh ...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Braves are like 1 for a million with runners in scoring position today. Sigh ...

and the Astros can't buy a hit

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Originally posted by partyhopper and the Astros can't buy a hit

As if it matters for them right now.

i just want the braves and astros to keep trading runs every inning...now that would be classic

Game Over.

amazing end to an amazing game, to win the series
Chris Burke (who got his first ever homer against Pedro, breaking up his no-hitter) with walk-off homer in the 18th

Good thing they won in that inning because I think we all know that Clemens was TOAST if he went back out there.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Well... I think it's safe to say that Babe Ruth and Ted Williams are the two greatest hitters ever. So, I'll say that Pedro is the greatest pitcher ever. Of course, this is only going by stats. But... pretty accurate stats.

The Bambino called home runs while he was at bat... thats just not normal, lol.

And Ted Williams, was without a doubt the best hitter. 2 triple crowns, and 6 or so batting titles. Definitely the most deserving player in MLB history to win a WS and never do it.

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Originally posted by Vlad The Bambino called home runs while he was at bat... thats just not normal, lol. And Ted Williams, was without a doubt the best hitter. 2 triple crowns, and 6 or so batting titles. Definitely the most deserving player in MLB history to win a WS and never do it.

Wellllll... Babe Ruth called his shot once. And that's not even confirmed. Also, as much as I dig Ted Williams, how you can say he's a better hitter than Ruth is beyond me. Babe Ruth is the best hitter of all time.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Wellllll... Babe Ruth called his shot once. And that's not even confirmed. Also, as much as I dig Ted Williams, how you can say he's a better hitter than Ruth is beyond me. Babe Ruth is the best hitter of all time.

Simply because Ted Williams did it in a pitchers era.

and ruth did his damage in the dead ball era. am i missing something

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Originally posted by trunks1022 and ruth did his damage in the dead ball era. am i missing something

Actually, no. Dead-ball era ended in 1919. Babe Ruth's first absurd Home Run year was 1920. Coincidence? I doubt it. However...

OPS + is a stat used that translates stats that a player put up into one number. It's found by taking the stats and comparing them to the league average at the time. So that way all factors are taken into effect. A player from the 10's and 20's who puts up identical raw stats to a player from the 90's and 00's will have a much higher OPS + because the league averages were way down back then. That being said (with 100 being 'average':

Ted Williams career OPS + = 190.
Babe Ruth career OPS + = 207.

For reference, the next 3 are:

Barry Bonds = 184
Lou Gehrig = 179
Rogers Hornsby (one of the most underrated ball players of all-time = 175

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