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a picture from the burning embassy in Beirut, Libanon.
I'll tell you what, I like to play these sorts of events off, but this combined with the situation in Iran really scares the crap out of me. You now have a large amount of Muslims who think the West is slandering and insulting their religion and a man in Iran who is potentially seeking an "ultimate" retaliation weapon. If there's one thing the Muslim community in the Middle East does well, it's beating themselves into a frenzy and then looking for a "leader" to take out their frustrations. I really hope the scenario I'm envisioning doesn't come to pass.
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| Originally posted by NeoPhono I'll tell you what, I like to play these sorts of events off, but this combined with the situation in Iran really scares the crap out of me. You now have a large amount of Muslims who think the West is slandering and insulting their religion and a man in Iran who is potentially seeking an "ultimate" retaliation weapon. If there's one thing the Muslim community in the Middle East does well, it's beating themselves into a frenzy and then looking for a "leader" to take out their frustrations. I really hope the scenario I'm envisioning doesn't come to pass. |
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| Originally posted by ArcticBeach the picture that made the Muslims to berserk wasnt even made by the newspaper, some muslim did it themself to get more muslims on their side, it was a picture of Muhammed with a pignoose Why would the danes apologize to the muslim, never give them ur hand cause they will take ur whole arm. Soon they claims that the danes should start to pray 5 times a day and convert Denmark to a Muslim country the world should make themself a favour and blow up the middle east to the ground. All the problems in the world gots origin from there....people is saying that ppl that doing this is radical, extreme, what ever, is saying that they arent true muslim, but why are there soo godamn many of them then ? fucking twats |
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| Originally posted by svens_bath youre an idiot mate |
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| Originally posted by Lepanto Wait, so it's impossible that the pics are propaganda to rally muslims to their "cause"? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Not impossible. It's already been found out that a few pics weren't created by the main source. |
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| Originally posted by Lepanto that's the point i was trying to make |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Some people need help... |
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| Originally posted by Lepanto Wait, so it's impossible that the pics are propaganda to rally muslims to their "cause"? |
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| [i]Originally posted by ArcticBeach [i/] never give them ur hand cause they will take ur whole arm. Soon they claims that the danes should start to pray 5 times a day and convert Denmark to a Muslim country the world should make themself a favour and blow up the middle east to the ground. All the problems in the world gots origin from there....people is saying that ppl that doing this is radical, extreme, what ever, is saying that they arent true muslim, but why are there soo godamn many of them then ? fucking twats |
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| Originally posted by svens_bath good one. |
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| Originally posted by NeoPhono I'll tell you what, I like to play these sorts of events off, but this combined with the situation in Iran really scares the crap out of me. You now have a large amount of Muslims who think the West is slandering and insulting their religion and a man in Iran who is potentially seeking an "ultimate" retaliation weapon. If there's one thing the Muslim community in the Middle East does well, it's beating themselves into a frenzy and then looking for a "leader" to take out their frustrations. I really hope the scenario I'm envisioning doesn't come to pass. |
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| Originally posted by trancaholic I can't even begin to comprehend the cause effect network in the Middle East, so I don't have any clue as to whether they just need to went off some steam, or if we're in this for the long haul. However, I can comment on how things looks in Denmark, and here it won't be forgotten next week. People have pretty much lost all kind of sympathy with Middle Easterners, and I don't think any Danish government will try to help out with diplomacy down there in the coming decades. Denmark has been relentless in its support of the Palestinian cause, and have worked for making the EU act as a mediator between the Middle East and the US. That is going to stop, and I think that most Danes would sit back and watch if Israel resumed its persecutions of Arabs. It is easy to detect this shift in attitude when you talk to people in Denmark, and follow the public debate. Most of my friends and colleagues are left wingers, but they have suddenly turned very anti-Islamists. There's a media outlets which have been so deeply aligned with the left that their reflex reaction to the initial publication of the drawings back in September was a clear condemnation. Today these papers and networks stands confused, unable to see how to maintain their stance. The most vocal paper (Politiken) has even said that "if things turns to deadly violence, you will see the cartoons on our front page". Jyllands-posten, in an unusually emotionally ladden editorial accused them of hypocracy and asked if assaults, death threats, and torchings were to weak indicators of something being amiss. Our second largest paper, Berlingeren, who also was condemning the cartoons at first, has pretty much acknowledged that it doesn't dare reprint the cartoons. They can see how Jyllands-posten has been driven to the ground, and that the editors and their families lives in fear of retribution, and has decided that they do not wish to share that fate. Furthermore, I think Danes are beginning to realize that democracy and freedom of speech are our "religion", and that no-one will defend it for us. The following email was sent to a "Buy Danish"-flagging blog by a Dane: While the sender of this email has clearly misunderstood the point about joining the coalition of the willing in order to build up good will, he does pretty much represent how Danes feel about the official US and UK and the UN at this time. I would say that the EU should be added to the list of institutions failing the Danes in order to score cheap points/avoid a conflict. The fight for keeping our society as we want it will probably be one of our own, and I guess we're getting to grips with that now. That being said, the head of NATO did show unequivocal support for Scandinavians and freedom of speech today. Of course its way to late. |
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| Originally posted by Lepanto what are you trying to prove here? |
Looks like the Muslims couldn't help keep us Jews out of it:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...icle%2FShowFull
I like how the official Israel response is "Don't you dare bring us into this!" 
However, ADL has a very nicely articulate response on this whole issue.
Also, its very sad how some in our west are apologetic and conspiratorial about this issue: http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=508448
Looks like some people will just never get it
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| Originally posted by Ian I totally sympathise with your plight, I have nothing but love for denmark, its footballers, some ta members from there, and the beautiful pork products you produce, we should be sticking by you, as we'd expect you to for us. Sadly there's way too many extremeists who can get into the uk so easily, meaning nobody in power will come out in support in fear. |
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| Originally posted by trancaholic It's really dreadful. The election victory of Hamas and the Egyptian ferry catastrophe has also added to what looks to become something grim. However, although it looks suspiciously like a joint effort by Middle Eastern countries to start WW3, a few inconsistencies suggests that this might not be true. For instance, almost all Arab countries are mainly targetting Denmark with their wrath, whereas Iran has kept to some kind of consistent madness: They've so far taken the same actions against all countries whose papers have printed the cartoons. Furthermore, some Arabs are desperate to pull the Jews into the equation, with their insistence that Denmark has laws against denying the Holocaust, and others go solely for the West. One can hope. I just read that the Egyptian foreign minister had *demanded* that Denmark should get tougher on its press. That's effectively dictating the laws of another country, and it sickens me to my gut. I know that the Egyptian government have internal problems to deal with, but these kinds of remarks borderlines declaration of war. The same goes with torching embassies, as these are officially on foreign soil. As a new development, Iraq's ministry of transportation has just announced that it'll freeze all contracts with Danish companies. If this is a signal that Danes are unwanted in Iraq by the Iraqi government, I guess we can withdraw our troops. And finally, it seems like the US and UK media are starting to treat this matter as more than yet another boy-with-two-heads-born-by-local-woman story. Some of todays editorials throw around big words such as appeasement, fear, Voltaire, and cowardice. |
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| Originally posted by Lepanto what are you trying to prove here? |
NeoPhono:
4. Olympics Torino 2006 end in tradgedy
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| Originally posted by InterMilan31 NeoPhono: 4. Olympics Torino 2006 end in tradgedy |
This is the sort of thing that highlights how dangerous and ignorant religion really is; Protests over Cartoons? About a god no one has seen (on either side of the religiously "enlightened")?
Now you've got a whole group of people inflamed to kill another over this? 
So glad I can count myself out of the ass-backwards way in which religion has marred, and continues to mar, the human race.
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| Originally posted by donnybrasco This is the sort of thing that highlights how dangerous and ignorant religion really is; Protests over Cartoons? About a god no one has seen (on either side of the religiously "enlightened")? Now you've got a whole group of people inflamed to kill another over this? So glad I can count myself out of the ass-backwards way in which religion has marred, and continues to mar, the human race. |
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| Originally posted by ArcticBeach the picture that made the Muslims to berserk wasnt even made by the newspaper, some muslim did it themself to get more muslims on their side, it was a picture of Muhammed with a pignoose Why would the danes apologize to the muslim, never give them ur hand cause they will take ur whole arm. Soon they claims that the danes should start to pray 5 times a day and convert Denmark to a Muslim country the world should make themself a favour and blow up the middle east to the ground. All the problems in the world gots origin from there....people is saying that ppl that doing this is radical, extreme, what ever, is saying that they arent true muslim, but why are there soo godamn many of them then ? fucking twats |
Best thing I've read on this whole situation...
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We are all Danes now By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | February 5, 2006 HINDUS CONSIDER it sacrilegious to eat meat from cows, so when a Danish supermarket ran a sale on beef and veal last fall, Hindus everywhere reacted with outrage. India recalled its ambassador to Copenhagen, and Danish flags were burned in Calcutta, Bombay, and Delhi. A Hindu mob in Sri Lanka severely beat two employees of a Danish-owned firm, and demonstrators in Nepal chanted: ''War on Denmark! Death to Denmark!"In many places, shops selling Dansk china or Lego toys were attacked by rioters, and two Danish embassies were firebombed. It didn't happen, of course. Hindus may consider it odious to use cows as food, but they do not resort to boycotts, threats, and violence when non-Hindus eat hamburger or steak. They do not demand that everyone abide by the strictures of Hinduism and avoid words and deeds that Hindus might find upsetting. The same is true of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Mormons: They don't lash out in violence when their religious sensibilities are offended. They certainly don't expect their beliefs to be immune from criticism, mockery, or dissent. But radical Muslims do. The current uproar over cartoons of the Muslim prophet Mohammed published in a Danish newspaper illustrates yet again the fascist intolerance that is at the heart of radical Islam. Jyllands-Posten, Denmark's largest daily, commissioned the cartoons to make a point about freedom of speech. It was protesting the climate of intimidation that had made it impossible for a Danish author to find an illustrator for his children's book about Mohammed. No artist would agree to illustrate the book for fear of being harmed by Muslim extremists. Appalled by this self-censorship, Jyllands-Posten invited Danish artists to submit drawings of Mohammed, and published the 12 it received. Most of the pictures are tame to the point of dullness, especially compared to the biting editorial cartoons that routinely appear in US and European newspapers. A few of them link Mohammed to Islamist terrorism -- one depicts him with a bomb in his turban, while a second shows him in Heaven, pleading with newly arrived suicide terrorists: ''Stop, stop! We have run out of virgins!" Others focus on the threat to free speech: In one, a sweating artist sits at his drawing board, nervously sketching Mohammed, while glancing over his shoulder to make sure he's not being watched. That anything so mild could trigger a reaction so crazed -- riots, death threats, kidnappings, flag-burnings -- speaks volumes about the chasm that separates the values of the civilized world from those in too much of the Islamic world. Freedom of the press, the marketplace of ideas, the right to skewer sacred cows: Militant Islam knows none of this. And if the jihadis get their way, it will be swept aside everywhere by the censorship and intolerance of sharia. Here and there, some brave Muslim voices have cried out against the book-burners. The Jordanian newspaper Shihan published three of the cartoons. ''Muslims of the world, be reasonable," implored Shihan's editor, Jihad al-Momani, in an editorial. ''What brings more prejudice against Islam -- these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras?" But within hours Momani was out of a job, fired by the paper's owners after the Jordanian government threatened legal action. He wasn't the only editor sacked last week. In Paris, Jacques LeFranc of the daily France Soir was also fired after running the Mohammed cartoons. The paper's owner, an Egyptian Copt named Raymond Lakah, issued a craven and Orwellian statement offering LeFranc's head as a gesture of ''respect for the intimate beliefs and convictions of every individual." But the France Soir staff defended their decision to publish the drawings in a stalwart editorial. ''The best way to fight against censorship is to prevent censorship from happening," they wrote. ''A fundamental principle guaranteeing democracy and secular society is under threat. To say nothing is to retreat." Across the continent, nearly two dozen other newspapers have joined in defending that principle. While Islamist clerics proclaim an ''international day of anger" or declare that ''the war has begun," leading publications in Norway, France, Italy, Spain, Holland, Germany, Switzerland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic have reprinted the Danish cartoons. But there has been no comparable show of backbone in America, where (as of Friday) only the New York Sun has had the fortitude to the run some of the drawings. Make no mistake: This story is not going away, and neither is the Islamofascist threat. The freedom of speech we take for granted is under attack, and it will vanish if it is not bravely defended. Today the censors may be coming for some unfunny Mohammed cartoons, but tomorrow it is your words and ideas they will silence. Like it or not, we are all Danes now. |
i think this whole ordeal is stupid. if muslims didnt react in such a crazy way i bet the paper would have apologized for making the cartoon and there wouldnt be an issue of freedom of speech. you know what paulo di canio (a soccer player) makes fascist saluts and envokes the "freedom of speech" right to do it. but that movement is very offensive and incites hate and is just unappropriate in todays society. just like the portreyal of mohammad with a bomb in his head or the ridicule of him by drawing him with a pig snout. this kind of things dont belong in a civilized world that promotes unity instead of segregation so cut the whole freedom of speech crap how about the right to be protected from persecution? (and its very ironic that the muslims are kinda doing the same to europeans now)
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