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I'm too sick of all the talk of 9/11 and the conspiracy theories to try to debate the issue again. Suppose you are right (I haven't actually watched the vid) and explosives were used, even then, you will accomplish nothing. The government will never admit it, and there will always be a large majority of people believing the official story because they believe the government has their best interest in mind (Ha!), much larger than the people not believing it. Sure, you might get some to jump to your side, but that number is marginal. So really, what is the point here? Everyone and their mothers knew that there were no WMDs in Iraq, and that didn't stop the Bush Administration from saying there were, and acting based on that assumption. Every government lies. The Liberal government in Canada lied, the Clinton gov't lied, the Conservatives in power right now are in progress of making lies, the governments over in Africa lie, the governmemnt in Russia has been lying ever since the revolution, etc etc etc. Politics itself is based on deception, misrepresentation, and outright lies.

If you are sick of debating the 9/11 issues then why did you resurface the thread? Do have a gut feeling that something is not right with the official story?

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I myself don't know who to believe anymore, but I do know that regardless of who I believe, it will not change anything at all.

This is the exact problem that the powers at be want to create and have instilled on the public, you must remember that power lies within numbers. Governments work for us, we do not work for them. Without us backing them they cannot survive.

They failed to protect us when they stood down on 9/11. Never before has any plane wandered off for more then 2 miles before being intercepted by our forces. They want us to believe that 4 planes were hijacked and hit their targets without having to deal with the worlds most powerful air force first? Where is the honesty in that?

The more awarness that is raised to this issue the more it will reach out to the masses. There are already a few states that are pushing for the impeachment of George W Bush.

This would have never happened if everyone thought the same way as you. Be proud to be a citizen of humanity and do not accept the world for what it is, instead question it in order to make things better.

You may feel you are alone and your voice might be lost in it all but mark my words the silent majority is winning this battle one step at a time.

Freedom never came cheap, it has been fought over since the beginning of humanity. Are we really supposed to stop now?

nice thread jack

originally unoriginal.

original or unoriginal, the video evidence in the video i posted does not lie.

care to watch it and decide for yourself?

I resurfaced this thread because there was a major development that I thought other people would be interested in.

And I am still quite helpless - Georgie is not my president, and frankly, I do not care that much about America anyway; let them fuck over themselves however they wish. I know you're gonna go and tell me to spread the word about the lies, but to get any changes, I have to go and "preach" this in America, which I don't have the time nor energy for that(plus those Yanks are quite stubborn too, making this whole deal that much harder).

cosmic, this goes way past just america.

do you realise what this government is striving for? a one world government. new world order, its printed on their bank notes.

they will not stop until they have power over everyone, this is their ultimate goal. is it so hard to see how canada has slowly turned into a US shadow in just the last 10-15 years alone.

their evil spreads well beyond the US and taps into the veins of many countries.

9/11 happened because of individuals in more than one country working together to make it happen. what happens when they have control from every angle?

exposing them while they attempt it is the only way to rid them from our planet. our earth must be given back to the people who love it not use it for their own evil gain.

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Oookkkaay. You can take off your tinfoil hat now. And while you're at it, stop playing so many RPG games.

sorry i dont play video games cosmic, i have researched 9/11 and history regarding these maters for years.

take some time to do the same, you will be surprised at what you find once you start.

i am here to debate 9/11, if you choose not to please don't throw insults at people who devote their time to it for the better of this thread.

i am sure the person who started the thread did not intend for it to become a slinging match. closing doors does not lead to any progress.

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Originally posted by solgrabber sorry i dont play video games cosmic, i have researched 9/11 and history regarding these maters for years. take some time to do the same, you will be surprised at what you find once you start. i am here to debate 9/11, if you choose not to please don't throw insults at people who devote their time to it for the better of this thread. i am sure the person who started the thread did not intend for it to become a slinging match. closing doors does not lead to any progress.

Well then stop with the wild accusations that the USA is trying to take over the world and create a "new world order".

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Originally posted by solgrabber cosmic, this goes way past just america. do you realise what this government is striving for? a one world government. new world order, its printed on their bank notes. they will not stop until they have power over everyone, this is their ultimate goal. is it so hard to see how canada has slowly turned into a US shadow in just the last 10-15 years alone. their evil spreads well beyond the US and taps into the veins of many countries. 9/11 happened because of individuals in more than one country working together to make it happen. what happens when they have control from every angle? exposing them while they attempt it is the only way to rid them from our planet. our earth must be given back to the people who love it not use it for their own evil gain.

Yeah I haven't stopped laughing for a good 5 minutes now, are you for real?

i am for real. let's step back a bit and have both of you discredit the "official pancake" theory of why the buildings collapsed.

here is a 25 page write up from Steven E. Jones (Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University), please read it.

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

he pretty much throws the official story out the door.

now that the official story is a lie why would a government do this? to go to war? which only makes money adds power and assets which is otherwise impossible if the public would not be backing them.

creating "the new pearl harbour" seems to have done the job so far. what makes you think this the oil is all they want?

lol nice come back, i can see your interested in actually learning for the better. it's fine with me i used to be the same as you when i younger, things change when you grow up i guess.

why not attack the material i have posted instead of me vertigo? afraid you will find something you dont like?

maybe you should view some Michael C Ruppert documentaries. he only happens to lecture at universities around the world and is an ex CIA. you might be in for a rude awakening.

It's not that I'm afraid of finding something I don't like, it's that I couldn't care less about the whole issue.

The US government could tell me that an octopus attacked the WTC buildings and I'd be like "okay neat" and move on with my life.

My options are as follows:
1) Not care about it, and nothing will be done
2) Care about it, still nothing will be done, and I'll look like a goddamn tinfoil hat wearing wackjob

Learning about history is great and all, but this is useless. It's like a hobby. You will never know the real answer. It's not as if the US government is going to come out one day and say "oh gosh guys you sure got us, it was definitely a missile and boy oh boy we blew up the WTC buildings too!"

so what essentially you are saying is that you dont care about the world you live in? what about when you have a family? (if you dont already, i am not sure)

would you not want a better world for them or should they just put up with life because that is just the way it is?

what about people that starve to death every day? if everyone thought oh well that's just the way it is no one would ever help them would they. would be kind of selfish huh? these people starving are actually part of all of us, we all come from the same place when you think about it.

the people that died on 9/11 are all part of us as well, should we accept that they were murdered and never one investigation to any of their deaths has taken place to this present day.

if even the slightest bit of foul play is indicated to what happened on 9/11 you cannot sit there and tell me you dont want the people behind it put to justice.

maybe it is easier to post pictures from google images and ridicule people to what maybe you dont understand. i rather waste my time doing good.

All of us want them put to justice, just like I want Paris Hilton to die, but there's not much I can do without puttng myself and my family in serious danger. It's just the way the world works man.

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Originally posted by solgrabber maybe it is easier to post pictures from google images and ridicule people to what maybe you dont understand. i rather waste my time doing good.

Do tell, what good are you doing by pushing this theory? Let's be realistic here, nothing is ever going to come of it.

Advice for all you conspiracy people.

Never eat a bunch of "mushrooms" and then go around telling everyone that humans evolved from freakin reptiles.

Bad Idea..

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All of us want them put to justice, just like I want Paris Hilton to die, but there's not much I can do without puttng myself and my family in serious danger. It's just the way the world works man.

danger from what? speaking your voice? the world works the way we want it to, it is not defined by one given group of people.

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Do tell, what good are you doing by pushing this theory? Let's be realistic here, nothing is ever going to come of it.

i feel better speaking up and saying something. do you like holding in things that bother you? and yes things do materialize if you make it happen, don't sit on the fence watching life go by.

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Originally posted by solgrabber the world works the way we want it to, it is not defined by one given group of people.

Dude, for a conspiracy theorist, you are incredibly naive. People with power control and define the world, not the people without. And the general masses (i.e. you and me) have almost no power at all.

almost no power at all? you seem to be the naive one my friend. you ever see what people can really do when they want to? i think you just need some inspiration.

i remind you again governments work for us, we do not work for them.

they cannot exsist without the people backing them.

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Originally posted by solgrabber you ever see what people can really do when they want to?

Enlighten me.

I am going to have to say the Berlin Wall is dam good example. Want to start knocking some more down?

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Originally posted by solgrabber I am going to have to say the Berlin Wall is dam good example. Want to start knocking some more down?

Umm what? It stood for 28 years. They killed hundreds of people trying to cross. Its fall had less to do with the people "doing" something than it did with the collapse of the Soviet Union and communism in general.

And Soviet Union did not collapse because it was caught in a lie, lol. It collapsed because of severe economic and technological declines. This had very little to do with people doing something. communism was overthrown because it fell apart first, it didn't fall apart because it was overthrown.

does it really matter it took 28 years? i faintly recall a lot of people wanting the wall to come down for what it "stood" for?

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