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Originally posted by dinoXpress Wow... I thought us EDM people were open to all races sexes etc etc... We have quite a few biggots on out board. I hope you all rot in hell!

I'm beginning to get left with that impression with the far and few in between assholes that managed to dwell among this massive community here. To them I say as someone who is a longtime TA and OMG Black and love Trance and hate rap, guess I must be some freak for not fitting a stereotype. Its one of the reasons I was attracted to EDM and Trance, considering it is so global and encompassing. The world will always have ignorance, who gives a shit about them, far more respectul people out there. Thank goodness. TA4ever

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Originally posted by Kakoroto As I black individual myself ive actually found that white people are more critical on the fact that I listen to Trance or EDM in general. The majority of the white people I have encountered after telling them I listen to EDM say shit like "OMFG, you are the whitest black kid ever!" or "Why don't you listen to rap". God each time I hear that I fucking want to smash their face in with a fucking anvil. All the black people that know I listen to EDM, only asked once and never again questioned why I don't listen to rap or hiphop, and didn't have any effect on our relationship at all. Ive been listening to EDM for the past 5 years, and have dealt with preaty much all the type of shit you can think of when it comes between what others percieve I listen to and what I actually do listen to.Its just because people in general become so attuned to the way certain racial groups are and act, that when encountered with a situation like this can't handle it properly. Its kind of like white people wearing "black cloths" and dressing like a thug or gangster. To me its annoying as hell when people try to tell other people what is acceptable to wear based upon their race. Thats just insane IMO. However, I think most of what is occuring happenes primarily in the US because of teenagers and young adults in general are being brainwashed by the media, though ive never been overseas anywhere so I could be wrong. Though as someone stated earlier, it isn't nearly as evident when looking at older adults. Overall listening to EDM just makes me feel more unique and different and more pround to be black than anything else. Most people in the US, however, see being different or unique as a bad thing as most people here try to blend in with the crowd so they can feel wanted. This is why i'll probably be living in another country sooner or later.

Upon reading your post and being black I know exactly what you mean by that. I however never let other people affect my viewpoints, after all I tend to be a bit confident, cocky and very direct in my approach to others. It is hilarious however when in college this white girl asked me that question, oh you listen to that, like she was shocked I didn't listen to hip hop music. It's when people get to know you as an INDIVIDUAL that they then begin to see you for who you really are, seems straightforward but often you are stereotyped immediately. Live and let die is my motto.

Also if you go to Europe there are far more blacks into EDM compared to the U.S. because of its prevalence. How the heck did this thread get started anyway.

well, i didnt read all pages but just for add something:
here in brasil the EDM scene is pretty "white" too, except for the hip-hop rap addicts...
I think argentina too...

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Originally posted by Kakoroto I never said it only happens in the US, but just stating that the way Americans go about individualism is more harmful than helpful to society. From my experiences, most Americans don't know how to respect individualism, but pretend they to do. And I know most blacks don't listen to EDM. In fact, im the only black person I know that listens to EDM. Maybe some of you should try living the knowledge that your the only person of your race that you know who listens to a certain type of music... its quite exhilerating actually and can put some things into perspective...

Sorry, I read it as " All the black people I know listen to EDM" not the way you actually wrote it. But, I have no idea what you're talking about America and individualism. First off, it doesn't go by America's cutlure but by it's subculture and mainstream culture. It's like this in every single place in the world. In Bosnia even, you wear a cool denim jacket and outa nowhere you're hardcore and stuff. Get it? It's our human nature. I like black people, y'all are cool with me. I like "black food" and shit. So it's not like i'm attacking you or anything.

However, I trully believe that stereotypes make alot of sense. For example, every black dude i know loves Southern Friend Chicken and amongst other things that i won't talk about because it's fucked.

You know, once when I was very young I thought that music brings people together but now I realize it's only while the music is on. When it goes out we're back to reality.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Upon reading your post and being black I know exactly what you mean by that. I however never let other people affect my viewpoints, after all I tend to be a bit confident, cocky and very direct in my approach to others. It is hilarious however when in college this white girl asked me that question, oh you listen to that, like she was shocked I didn't listen to hip hop music. It's when people get to know you as an INDIVIDUAL that they then begin to see you for who you really are, seems straightforward but often you are stereotyped immediately. Live and let die is my motto. Also if you go to Europe there are far more blacks into EDM compared to the U.S. because of its prevalence. How the heck did this thread get started anyway.

Also, being from the Great NYC, I'm sure you'll agree that the majority of people here, including white and asians are into hip-hop. When I'm on campus chilling and there's a black dude with us, all my friend always are like what do you listen to or something? Like last week my friend Trish brought this kid to chill with us who was black, and my friend Alex gave her his MD player and there was some metal on it and he was like (whatever the band/song was on) "They're really good" and my friend without a hint of stereotype or racism is like " Oh, you listen to metal?" and the dude is like " yeah i don't listen to black music or w/e" my friend was like " Oh dude i never said you did i'm just asking"

But then on the other hand, i'm sitting in one of my classes and me and my friend are listening to his MP3 player to some beats and there's this slut next to me and she's like omfg i hate that techno bullshit and this black kid next to her is like it's not techno it's prog house shes like

Sorry, just read this on the other thread that Swamper linked to and it made me lawl!!

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Originally posted by Swamper and whether or not [ReBel9] is from Afghanistan is debatable

Also the stuff about $90k a year, because that has lots ot do with grammar.

Back to the topic, you might as well ask "why aren't there many white people in Reggae or African drumming?"

Trance has ultiamtely originated in Western Europe and Northern America.

This thread rocks!

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Originally posted by Lepanto But then on the other hand, i'm sitting in one of my classes and me and my friend are listening to his MP3 player to some beats and there's this slut next to me and she's like omfg i hate that techno bullshit and this black kid next to her is like it's not techno it's prog house shes like

Ah the old Trance = Techno, people never seem to be able to avoid that one when they don't know the music or can't appreciate it. Its like calling R&B and Hip Hop the same thing, not even close to it but that's just another aspect of who we are as human beings, we all in our own way tend to label things, whether consciously or subconscious. I got so tired of trying to explain the difference to my black friends that when they ask me what I listen to I just say EDM and leave it at that, subgenres be damned. For me it is the love of the music and atmosphere, I love the sense of freedom and letting go of your emotions in a packed club and the hot chicks don't hurt either.

how this thread get so out of control...its why do white people dominate trance, not WHY DO ONLY WHITES LISTEN TO TRANCE.... some people on here are either blind or just plain stupid. I donno how many messages i've seen saying "what are you talking about?? im black i listen to trance!!" Thanks, we already kno theres a lot of you, a lot of asians, browns, whatever. The descussion is why is it dominated by whites, so all you non whites, stop trying to make it look like a racist thread because u want to feel unique that u listen to trance and not rap or whatever. I'm very pround that you are all individuals, but get back to the thread topic...

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Ah the old Trance = Techno, people never seem to be able to avoid that one when they don't know the music or can't appreciate it. Its like calling R&B and Hip Hop the same thing, not even close to it but that's just another aspect of who we are as human beings, we all in our own way tend to label things, whether consciously or subconscious. I got so tired of trying to explain the difference to my black friends that when they ask me what I listen to I just say EDM and leave it at that, subgenres be damned. For me it is the love of the music and atmosphere, I love the sense of freedom and letting go of your emotions in a packed club and the hot chicks don't hurt either.

ofcourse you can't get in since you're black just kidding. Yeah, I don't understand why it's so hard to say electronic music or something along those lines instead of the old trance/house/ambient/etc= techno ploy.

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Originally posted by Wyndham how this thread get so out of control...

Its comes preaty standard with a thread title like this one that causes it to reach over 10 pages... kinda like a book with many sub-plots...

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Originally posted by Wyndham how this thread get so out of control...its why do white people dominate trance, not WHY DO ONLY WHITES LISTEN TO TRANCE.... some people on here are either blind or just plain stupid. I donno how many messages i've seen saying "what are you talking about?? im black i listen to trance!!" Thanks, we already kno theres a lot of you, a lot of asians, browns, whatever. The descussion is why is it dominated by whites, so all you non whites, stop trying to make it look like a racist thread because u want to feel unique that u listen to trance and not rap or whatever. I'm very pround that you are all individuals, but get back to the thread topic...

I think the point of the individuals who are referencing themselves must have been profoundly missed by you, It is pretty evident that the music is followed mainly by whites, so that beckons the question about the thread and its relevance. Why does it matter who listens to what music or produces it or spins it, and for these question I am yet to see one answer for. So I pointed myself out because individually it is something that appeals to my style, it has nothing to do with being black, white, brown or whatever the hell else label is slapped on another person. We may not live in Shangrila and a Utopian world but I'll be damned if people stereotype me incorrectly in life. The only person who knows the original reason for this thread is the thread starter not me or you.

Ironically you call others blind or stupid yet you fail to answer the original thread title as well, so please tell me why Trance is dominated by White people, I can't wait for that answer.

^^Maybe read the thread next time...

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Originally posted by Ishkur Holistically, when it comes to music: blacks have always gravitated towards rhythm (tempo and percussion) whites have always gravitated towards melody (notes and scales) asians have always gravitated towards harmony (chords and tones) This is not just the case with electronic music, this is the case with ALL music. Beyond that, however, not much distinction can be made without getting into some sticky arguments, but so far, that's what's evident. As always, there are exceptions.

however, asians bring nothing to the music scene.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan I think the point of the individuals who are referencing themselves must have been profoundly missed by you, It is pretty evident that the music is followed mainly by whites, so that beckons the question about the thread and its relevance. Why does it matter who listens to what music or produces it or spins it, and for these question I am yet to see one answer for. So I pointed myself out because individually it is something that appeals to my style, it has nothing to do with being black, white, brown or whatever the hell else label is slapped on another person. We may not live in Shangrila and a Utopian world but I'll be damned if people stereotype me incorrectly in life. The only person who knows the original reason for this thread is the thread starter not me or you. Ironically you call others blind or stupid yet you fail to answer the original thread title as well, so please tell me why Trance is dominated by White people, I can't wait for that answer.

hmmm well this is just a guess, im probably wrong, but i THINK the reason for this thread is a discussion on why trance is dominated by white people? am i right?? am i?? someone correct me if im wrong please.

You'll be damned if people stereotype you incorrectly in life? well why dont you go start a new thread..im black and i like trance, aren't you all proud of me,,,until then go read the previous posts in this thread, me along with a lot of others have already been discussing the actual topic.

thanks again for the revelent post mate

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Originally posted by Lepanto however, asians bring nothing to the music scene.

Do not underestimate the power of karaoke.

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Originally posted by Wyndham hmmm well this is just a guess, im probably wrong, but i THINK the reason for this thread is a discussion on why trance is dominated by white people? am i right?? am i?? someone correct me if im wrong please. You'll be damned if people stereotype you incorrectly in life? well why dont you go start a new thread..im black and i like trance, aren't you all proud of me,,,until then go read the previous posts in this thread, me along with a lot of others have already been discussing the actual topic. thanks again for the revelent post mate

I don't see where I ever stated that being black and enjoying trance makes me special so you might want to stop using that as some kind of crutch in every statement you have made recently. You seem almost offended by those who mention being an individual, and it is that style which brought them to the music, not whether they were black or white or anything else, okay mate. If you call discussing the actual topic mentioning that Asians you know in TO get into the EDM scene at the Guv for the drugs then okay, whatever you say. I have argued this issue to death with you and will let you get the last word mate.

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Originally posted by Jimmy Why is trance dominated by white people? The DJ's are white. The producers are white. The listening audience are white. Why?

I will now do myself the favor of answering this, Trance is dominated by whites because the genre of music that developed and became Trance did so in many parts of Europe where the population was and remains white. Trance never had a root in the black communities because other forms of music had already appeared around that time that appealed to young people. Young whites in Europe followed Trance as it was developing and evolving in Amsterdam, Eastern Germany, parts of England and into Eastern Europe, Young blacks followed rap as that was developing in the inner cities of America around the same time period. We therefore see what we do today. Also don't forget the record labels like BMG, Sony that market the music, they obviously have target audiences they market to including when Trance began to come into the mainstream in Europe.

I'm pretty sure as well that anyone who listens to trance had an evolution in what they listened to in EDM, I started with Techno, then Ambient, DnB, House, Chillout, Trance (Progressive).

My two cents......
Dance music on disk started with disco which begat funk which begat house....all black dominated because of the FUNK in the beat. The off-beat. The one. See James Brown.
As electronics made sampling and looping easier so the nerdy white guys (Krafwerk) took the sound to new levels, good and bad.
I believe the most interesting sounds today are made by those who still feel the funk. Desyn and Sander for two.
The Vangelis/Yanni/Oldfields make soppy muzak for strictly white people.
Long live the funk.

Watch how white people dance at a trance club then watch how ethnic people dance at a R&B/Rap club and you will have your answer. Trance is for the white man to jump up and down randomly and call it dancing. =)

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan I will now do myself the favor of answering this, Trance is dominated by whites because the genre of music that developed and became Trance did so in many parts of Europe where the population was and remains white. Trance never had a root in the black communities because other forms of music had already appeared around that time that appealed to young people. Young whites in Europe followed Trance as it was developing and evolving in Amsterdam, Eastern Germany, parts of England and into Eastern Europe, Young blacks followed rap as that was developing in the inner cities of America around the same time period. We therefore see what we do today.

.....14 pages later....way to rehashing what i wrote on the 2nd page..think about 10 others said the same thing too.. once again thanks for the relevent post, glad u did urself the favor dawg or do you prefer G?

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Originally posted by Wyndham ..... glad u did urself the favor dawg or do you prefer G?

Finally your angle is shown, sheer ignorance in such a statement. I was waiting for you to speak to your true sentiments and you obliged. Only took about 5 posts from you to confirm your gutter mentality. Go take a chill pill and breath deeply to get over yourself, oh and I prefer OG fuh sheezie in my native Ebonics

P.S. Anything else you have to say in reference to me directly in this thread should migrate to the Political Discussion forum, COR or PM since you have gone past simply speaking about the subject in general.

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Originally posted by Wyndham glad u did urself the favor dawg or do you prefer G?

Ack...

This is truly a funny post.

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Originally posted by Wyndham how this thread get so out of control...its why do white people dominate trance, not WHY DO ONLY WHITES LISTEN TO TRANCE.... some people on here are either blind or just plain stupid. I donno how many messages i've seen saying "what are you talking about?? im black i listen to trance!!" Thanks, we already kno theres a lot of you, a lot of asians, browns, whatever. The descussion is why is it dominated by whites, so all you non whites, stop trying to make it look like a racist thread because u want to feel unique that u listen to trance and not rap or whatever. I'm very pround that you are all individuals, but get back to the thread topic...

ur sexy wanna dj for me in that outfit -_- harhar =]

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Originally posted by weymouth Watch how white people dance at a trance club then watch how ethnic people dance at a R&B/Rap club and you will have your answer. Trance is for the white man to jump up and down randomly and call it dancing. =)

i know i can st0mp and melbourne shuffle like a beast @ clubs ;] maybe ur right about most white people in europe but if u wanna bring it to dancing .. if u ever been to a competetive dance competitions .. germany / us usually win em .. then korea .. btw in hip hop clubs all u gotta do is stand still and the girls do all the work KANXALANX

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