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I'm all for not helping kids who are just polluting the forums with useless chatter and constant complaining. By all means, withold information from the people who appear not to deserve it. It's good to not give people instant gratification, and instead only share with those who are genuinely interested, anything else is a wasted effort, I can agree with that much at least.

I guess I can do my part to help improve the "environment" around here so that more kids talk about music again, even though I highly doubt that anybody considers me even remotely elite.

I think it is worthwhile to explore this a bit more:

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I'm tired of people treating trance like a cute Fisher-Price toy, when it has diversity and depth behind it.

Everyone I know has a very narrow definition for trance, the dj sammy and dutch epic stuff is the only things they think of, rarely somebody will include psy in their definition depending on where they are from. (this all coming from people I encounter in person scattered across my home state). So maybe it is time we made another attempt at charting all of this diversity, just to get a broad idea of what is out there and to help more ppl realize that there is more than just the stuff that is getting the most attention at the moment. Where I live there is alot of hostility towards this "DJ deification" and because people associate trance with superstar djs nobody respects any music classified as trance regardless of what it sounds like or who made it. So I am quite interested in finding ways to show people in my region that trance has many different faces including the rebelious underground one that they desire, maybe I should write up a new thread.

Dischord is the primary source of human drama.

It shouldn't be a surprise that it permeates reality by design.

I am my worst ennemy. Or more accurately, I am my greatest generator of dischord.

i gotta give credit to floorfiller and rebel9, i remember way back when i had loads of unknown tunes, a lot of the time those 2 were ID'ing the tunes i wanted

of course if people like you stop positive contributions, then the place will only get worse. stop being so selfish

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Originally posted by 303 now did i really say he deserves more respect than you or did i say that all members should be respected on a general basis. i wonder who needs to approve their educational grounds before trying to prove something thats not said.

uhhh...

by educated decision, i refer to an INFORMED ONE... seeing as ur covering education, i suggest u review ur own.

i never disrespected floorfiller, other than the african bit in this stupid thread, which i've kindly pointed out that i've stopped. but hey, i don't like him anyway, so go figure.

whilst it's good that he contributed, again, good riddance to a complete jerk.

this is completely stupid... if ppl are too thick to understand what i'm saying, then it's their problem... no point in arguing and make a spectacle out of it.

People have no right to judge other ppl by what is says under their sign-on name. Just because i person is only registered for a short amount of time, doesn't mean that they dont know anything. A lot of ppl jsut read these discussion boards, and wait a long time before they actually sign on.anyone who judges me by what's written under my sign0on name, is their own worst enemy.

n00bs are n00bs. They can't help themselves. . They don't know who the l337 ppl are (and anyone who calls himself l337, needs a head shrink), and who aren't. and they haven't yet learnt how to co-ordinate themselves in this site. SO you can't expect much else.

Elitism brings nothing to the table. I've found in my time here that "good" members of this forum bring strong knowledge in any area to the table, whether it's trance, computers, or autmobiles. This knowledge plus the ability to express themselves clearly seems to make for long-time, well-liked members.

The problem with staying here a long time is the noob cycle. For every one noob who understands the (un)written rules of the forum, there are 10 who come in and act like complete assholes. I'm talking about violating rules like TYPING IN ALL CAPS, asking for The_New_MP3-1919, or repeating oft-posted topics. It's not so much the transgression of rules that pisses people off (though for some it does), it's when the noobs react defensively or harshly towards people trying to correct them.

Now, the way that longer-term members react varies in it's appropriateness. Some of them are more caustic than need be. And their are some borderline topics that often turn into flame wars. The biggest of these is whether it's appropriate to say that artists or genres that have already been the "in-thing" here suck and attack those who like them. I tend to side with those who say the attacking is ok, with some rules. The most important of these is: Provide Evidence. Stating your opinion without facts to back it up is like throwing sand at a rock to move it. You should also not take criticism from another personally; criticizing something you like is not the same as criticizing you.

Differences are a part of life and you should be prepared to accept that people will have different opinions than you. As forum mebers, we should get along, even with our different tastes in music, because while this site is called tranceaddict, the forum mebership goes far beyond that label. Having intelligent discussions on music of all kinds seems to be the purpose of this part of the forum.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller the point of this thread can best be summed up in this Purple guy that's been posting about all this africa stuff bla bla...obviously trying to discredit this thread. he's in here being an idiot, but then just the other day he posts a thread wanting help for tunes with ethnic instruments in it. now isn't that more or less exactly what i said in my first post? i have some suggestions of tunes with sitars and eastern sounding instruments, but why would i or anyone else go out of our way to help him out?

Well I think this thought of elitism is more bad for TA than n00bs posting their appreciation for Armin, Tiesto, Dave.

I woudnt have bothered to reply to your post because I dont think you are an elite, you see people who are elite are actually the ones who contibute to the scene by producing new tracks. You dont become an elite by posting insults to n00bs or by posting insults to Dave Dresden to impress your fellow 'elitists'.

You see I am not trying to discredit this thread. I am genuinly intested in knowing more about Africa and its people, but I didnt wanted to post a new thread for that. Thats why I asked him and his reply was fabulous, it got me more interested in Africa.

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Originally posted by Purple Well I think this thought of elitism is more bad for TA than n00bs posting their appreciation for Armin, Tiesto, Dave. I woudnt have bothered to reply to your post because I dont think you are an elite, you see people who are elite are actually the ones who contibute to the scene by producing new tracks. You dont become an elite by posting insults to n00bs or by posting insults to Dave Dresden to impress your fellow 'elitists'. You see I am not trying to discredit this thread. I am genuinly intested in knowing more about Africa and its people, but I didnt wanted to post a new thread for that. Thats why I asked him and his reply was fabulous, it got me more interested in Africa.

PM.

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Originally posted by bangoSkank Elitism brings nothing to the table. I've found in my time here that "good" members of this forum bring strong knowledge in any area to the table, whether it's trance, computers, or autmobiles. This knowledge plus the ability to express themselves clearly seems to make for long-time, well-liked members. The problem with staying here a long time is the noob cycle. For every one noob who understands the (un)written rules of the forum, there are 10 who come in and act like complete assholes. I'm talking about violating rules like TYPING IN ALL CAPS, asking for The_New_MP3-1919, or repeating oft-posted topics. It's not so much the transgression of rules that pisses people off (though for some it does), it's when the noobs react defensively or harshly towards people trying to correct them. Now, the way that longer-term members react varies in it's appropriateness. Some of them are more caustic than need be. And their are some borderline topics that often turn into flame wars. The biggest of these is whether it's appropriate to say that artists or genres that have already been the "in-thing" here suck and attack those who like them. I tend to side with those who say the attacking is ok, with some rules. The most important of these is: Provide Evidence. Stating your opinion without facts to back it up is like throwing sand at a rock to move it. You should also not take criticism from another personally; criticizing something you like is not the same as criticizing you. Differences are a part of life and you should be prepared to accept that people will have different opinions than you. As forum mebers, we should get along, even with our different tastes in music, because while this site is called tranceaddict, the forum mebership goes far beyond that label. Having intelligent discussions on music of all kinds seems to be the purpose of this part of the forum.

legend

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Originally posted by Purple Well I think this thought of elitism is more bad for TA than n00bs posting their appreciation for Armin, Tiesto, Dave. I woudnt have bothered to reply to your post because I dont think you are an elite, you see people who are elite are actually the ones who contibute to the scene by producing new tracks. You dont become an elite by posting insults to n00bs or by posting insults to Dave Dresden to impress your fellow 'elitists'. You see I am not trying to discredit this thread. I am genuinly intested in knowing more about Africa and its people, but I didnt wanted to post a new thread for that. Thats why I asked him and his reply was fabulous, it got me more interested in Africa.

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Originally posted by Purple Well I think this thought of elitism is more bad for TA than n00bs posting their appreciation for Armin, Tiesto, Dave. I woudnt have bothered to reply to your post because I dont think you are an elite, you see people who are elite are actually the ones who contibute to the scene by producing new tracks. You dont become an elite by posting insults to n00bs or by posting insults to Dave Dresden to impress your fellow 'elitists'.

you're either blind, or a complete idiot.

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Originally posted by Psy-T you're either blind, or a complete idiot.

He could be a completely blind idiot. Or a completely idiotic blindey.

the TA community and caste system exists ONLY in your mind. i suggest that some of you guys open up one of these every once in a while. it may be a little scary at first, but you'll get through it. i promise.

well, yeah but like, i mean, its all about like, u know how its all kinda thing, but then it wasnt like that for long because it was all good but then it wasnt, and then he said "corororororoorad" and he was like "umm, nooooooo" but its not that simple anyway because you arent taking into account the seriousness of it all, at the end of the day, things arent that black and white, but i wasnt anyway so it doesnt matter really does it?

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle well, yeah but like, i mean, its all about like, u know how its all kinda thing, but then it wasnt like that for long because it was all good but then it wasnt, and then he said "corororororoorad" and he was like "umm, nooooooo" but its not that simple anyway because you arent taking into account the seriousness of it all, at the end of the day, things arent that black and white, but i wasnt anyway so it doesnt matter really does it?

Most. Confusing. Post. Ever.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Most. Confusing. Post. Ever.

hehe, yet funnily enough almost as relevant as the rest of the posts in this thread

^almost

let's face it, we were all noobs at one time or another. the dj booth is starting to get the same way. "what decks should i buy?" "cd or vinyl?" "my cat pooped in my headphone cup!" etc etc. the new guys don't know any better..

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue ^almost let's face it, we were all noobs at one time or another. the dj booth is starting to get the same way. "what decks should i buy?" "cd or vinyl?" "my cat pooped in my headphone cup!" etc etc. the new guys don't know any better..

As a booth regular, i disagree.

Sure, there are some n00b threads.,. but overall thread quality has gone up, the stickies are great.. the booth is alive and kicking.

Recently. I have been becoming a more active user. I registered back in 2003 simply for the selfish reason of finding track lists, and didn't give a hoot about the TA community. But starting in late 2004 I did start to care, and started really participating in the MPP and PS forums. So I'm bumping this. Because it's worthy of conversation still.

I really have enjoyed the good conversations in MD. But sadly. Most of the good ones. Are older ones; and I've noticed a growing trend of shit-saturation in ALL the forums.

I thought I'd share my comments about this issue. Because I too have posted either silly threads or dumb comments in MD. And now I see how good this particular forum could be/once was.


I was reading it from the beginning. And a lot of people confuse elitists with jerks. The true TA elites on here aren't going to be-little you and make fun of your for your tastes. They might jab at you a bit, but that's par for the course of being a new user. It's happened to me several times. It's a right of passage. Get over it. We were all noobs once (the song that was in the background was actually the 2003 Remix of Gamemaster, but silly me). The real elitists do suggest neat new songs for your ears; have good thoughts and overall have a pretty good attitude.

But unfortunately MD seems to be filled now a days with two types of people I've seen.

1. The pseudo-elitist jerks:
Whose replies and comments consist mainly of "TIESTO SUCKS" and other sarcastic comments. I know this, because I've been there, and unfortunately the internet makes it all too easy to be a jerk. There are also the kind of people who utterly ignore posts too, because it seems too below them. I've posted advice in even seemingly "dumb" threads. How else are youngn's going to learn?

2. Dumb Noobs:
There's noobs... who occasionally post something silly and old (which to them is new.) But they learn quickly the search feature. And are generally decent members. And then there's the dumb noobs, which are really more like trolls. And I can't stand them. They always ask the same question over and over again. They never seem to have anything positive to say. And the never EVER learn the search button. I should point out that most of these toolsheds end up finding their way to the COR and just stagnating there screaming "BBQ" and "ORLY." (although I'll admit to loving anything owl-related now)


So I do feel for Floorfiller (this is what he means by being nice: he posted a complete discog with pics of the gatecrasher series, even though I noobed it up by posting the request in the wrong section and I didn't use the search feature). I haven't been as active as long as many of the ta "old school" here. But I definitely get the feeling the MD gets more trite by the day. And like others had stated in this thread; it's not just MD that's affected. The DJ Booth suffers, production studio, music producer promotion... the list goes on.

I get this bad feeling sometimes that Tranceaddict is just become too saturated. It seems every other day some troll is spamming a new "OMGTRANCEMUSICWEBSITE" in one of the promotion forums.

I'm sick and tired of it too.

There. Those are my thoughts. Goodnight.

Leave the simple questions to other people to answer.

its general forum culture to have arguments and dissagree, dont do a Dave Dresden on us !

Holy ressurection batman.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller well i guess it doesn't really matter. i just hate that TA has become basically useless as far as music discussion goes. we had a thread not too long ago about "who shares your taste on TA" lots of replies, but the majority of the people who posted in that thread named people that don't even post in MD anymore because it really is a waste of time. i still like lots of people on here...so at least there's that.

if you're starting to dislike people in TA why don't you leave?

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Originally posted by butterball if you're starting to dislike people in TA why don't you leave?

Dude he is moderator of this website.

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Originally posted by butterball if you're starting to dislike people in TA why don't you leave?

didn't i say i like lots of people in my last sentence

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Originally posted by Allied Nations Holy ressurection batman.

indeed haha


and DJ Freaq...nice post. however i wasn't really looking for sympathy when i started the thread. i just wanted to remind people that we're hear to talk about music and that it should be a two way discussion. i love talking about music, but sometimes you get frustrated to the point of stopping that dialog. it's all the same though...i guess despite my attitude in this thread, it hasn't really stopped me from contributing when i feel i can..

Gee, Butterbrain, you quote him saying this, "i still like lots of people on here...so at least there's that." and then proceed to type this?

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Originally posted by butterball if you're starting to dislike people in TA why don't you leave?

Anyway, I'd just like to add that I appreciate so many of the informative posts in this forum. I've discovered new artists, new genres, and generally learned from a lot of TAs. I hope those of you who have so much knowledge continue to contribute because there will always be someone like me who benefits.

Thank you.

(Oh Jason, you already responded to his post. Oh well... )

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Originally posted by butterball if you're starting to dislike people in TA why don't you leave?

No offense Butterball but that attidue is not what TA needs. It's no different than Bush and Cheney and the administration after 9/11 or the war in Iraq saying "your either with us, or your with the terrorists" or "if you don't like America, you can leave!" (which actually is like "if you don't like the Bush adminstration, you can leave"). I used to hear that from Bushies all the time. I was contemplating leaving TA a few weeks ago, but recently i've been talking to some really nice people from TA and I've discovered that its a mixture of different people, just like in the real world.

Sometimes it might seem like there are a bunch of stuck ups or jerks on here, but just because it SEEMS like it, that doesn't mean everyone is like that. It's no different than a high school, with different groups of people who have different ways of looking at things, different pesonalities etc. It's just life, and yeah it's frusturating, but I guess it's something we just have to live with. I'm guilty of joking around on these forums sometimes, but not in a truly dis-respectful manner, I can just be sarcastic and silly sometimes so i've tried to play around and not be this super serious person who thinks so deeply about the music all the time. It's the same way with many people on here, sometimes they are utter jerks, sometimes they are really nice, people are that way. There's many factors that come into place why people are the way they are. So thats what I think...coming from someone who's going to be a psychology major.

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