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| Originally posted by rabbitjoker YES! They were all "normal". That is why this event is so significant. Homegrown domestic terror cells are the greatest thread to our national safety. |
No, I don't know any of the named suspects. That's too bad; I wish I did so I could get more deeply involved to help out in whatever way I could.
I heard brief news bites tonight about possible entrapment. I really hope that isn't the case.
yeah this is really some scary shit.. I hope that that was it and there arent other cells.. police should do a crackdown of suspcicious activities. Its good that they caught them early.
Call me incensitive or whatever but this is just too funy to pass up.......
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burka = imperial guard from star wars...... he he he
as for the whole terrorism thing. i have 40 tons of ammonium nitrate at my house right now, but i live on a farm, and we will go through piles of it this season...... having three tons int he city? there is only one thing you can use that much fertilizer for........ illegal muslim grow ops!!!!!!
I say we use the canadian equivalent of the bat signal... shine it on some clouds to alert the incredible ignorance fighting team of
"Steve Paiken and Rex Murphy" aka King Steve
who will use their weirding modules (radio and tv respectively) to defeat ignorance wherever they find it.
As a prelude to my comments below I would like to state I harbour no hatered toward any religion, race, or ethnic group. The following is a caution, not a specific threat or a reflection of my personal desires.
I caution all muslims, in light of these recent events, to be ever vigilent in observing what goes on in your mosques and community groups. Canada is a tolerant society and we are a nation that is slow to anger, however, we value order above all things and our history clearly demonstrates that when that order is threatened we respond with a zeal and resolve that does not waiver. I foresee terrible reprocussions on the domestic muslim community if a "homegrown" attack(s) were to ever succeed. You who worship along side the radicals are Canada's first line of defence. Defence of this society is EVERY Canadian's primary obligation. The population at large will not forgive those that fail in their obligation and those who have the first opportunity will also receive the first blame for their failures.
There may be more arrests made (good!).
And the targets looked like they included not just Toronto targets (CN Tower, and CSIS headquarters) but Ottawa also, as in, Parliament Hill!
Like come on. Why can't the good Muslims take care of these bad ones themselves. They are the largest religion on the face of the earth.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/...32be896&k=89471
I'm just happy they were caught before any more damage could be done.
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| Originally posted by StereoPrincess They are the largest religion on the face of the earth. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/...32be896&k=89471 |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard not quite off by about a billion. |
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| Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I'm just happy they were caught before any more damage could be done. |
Leaders vow to root out extremism
This is exactly what I was hoping for earlier. For far too long leaders have been turning their shoulders on fanaticists, and it is good that they are starting to look at the inside, instead of frequently blaming the outside (governments, racism, etc.). Unfortunately not all leaders such as Aly Hindy will follow suit.
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| Originally posted by StereoPrincess that's a good way to think of it, but that only means they stopped this big one, let's hope they can stop the next big one. |
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| Originally posted by StereoPrincess When I was 21, that would have been the last thing on my mind. |
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| You who worship along side the radicals are Canada's first line of defence. Defence of this society is EVERY Canadian's primary obligation. The population at large will not forgive those that fail in their obligation and those who have the first opportunity will also receive the first blame for their failures. |
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| Originally posted by adi26 This is not true. Its a well known fact that Islam is the most popular religion in the world... |
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| Originally posted by loca I don't agree with that actually. I have the hardest time at customs every time i come back to Canada from Belgium (or wherever i was at). I get asked 2 million questions, when was i last here, why i left, what am i doing here, who am i living with, what does my boyfriend do, where does he work, etc etc. I always have this huge fear they won't let me in, they're so damn tough to get by. Really scary. |
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| Originally posted by adi26 This is not true. Its a well known fact that Islam is the most popular religion in the world... |
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| Six of 17 terror suspects charged with bomb offences Last updated Jun 5 2006 02:46 PM EDT CBC News Six of 17 suspects arrested over the weekend in connection with an alleged plot to bomb Ontario targets have been charged with planning to cause a deadly explosion. The charges, released Monday morning, reveal that Fahim Ahmad, Zakaria Amara, Asad Ansari, Shareef Abdelhaleen, Qayyum Abdul Jamal and Saad Khalid have been accused of the most serious charges in the alleged plot. If convicted, they faces sentences of life in prison. All of the suspects have been charged with offences under the Anti-terrorism Act, which was passed by Parliament months after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks in the U.S. Twelve of the men have been charged with knowingly participating, directly or indirectly, in the activity of a terrorist group. Those charges relate to activities in Mississauga, Ont., Toronto and the Township of Ramara, which is located about 150 kilometres north of Toronto. Three of the suspects have been charged with importing firearms and prohibited ammunition, and supplying prohibited weapons. Ten of the men are charged with engaging in terrorism-related training. Residents in Ramara reported hearing gunshots from an area where men were seen dressed in camouflage gear. All 17 of the accused will appear in court Tuesday for a bail hearing. Focus on Qayyum Abdul Jamal Jamal, 43, is a member of the Al-Rhman Islamic Centre in Mississauga who reportedly has made fiery speeches and holds extreme views about Islam. He is believed to have been a mentor for the young people who were arrested in the investigation. Tarek Fatah, a spokesman for the Muslim Canadian Congress, said Jamal was part of a mosque that originally belonged to a group of moderate Muslims but "was taken over." Imam Qamrul Khanson told the Associated Press the language of Jamal's Friday night prayers had a more strident tone than other prayer leaders', but there was never any talk of terrorism or violence. |
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| Originally posted by 7-4-7 Yeah neither I, everytime i have gone through Canadian customs it has been a supreme pain in the ass...american customs is a formality. Jay has a way of saying something, in the hopes that no one will call him on it. |
these mother ******s need to get their dicks chopped off, stuffed in their mouths while being thrown into a human meat grinder to be eventually eaten by the animals they hate the most... pigs.
I was really angry and disturbed that people like this would actually want to hurt us. That bombing a bunch of buildings and murdering people would make them feel better. I HATE THEM. I WISH DEATH UPON THEM
shhh calma calma 
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard not quite off by about a billion. |
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Terror in Toronto By Stephen Brown FrontPageMagazine.com | June 5, 2006 "Turns out they don�t have to find us. They are us.� This statement by Toronto journalist Joe Warmington sums up perfectly the arrests last Friday of 17 suspected Islamist terrorists, mostly in the Toronto area, who were planning multiple attacks on targets in southern Ontario. Shockingly for Canadians, almost all the suspects, who range in age from 17 to 43 years, were either born in Canada or had arrived here at an early age and possess Canadian citizenship. Five are under the age of 18 and thus will be tried as young offenders under Canadian law; most of the others are in their early twenties. According to the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (Canada�s CIA), the group intended to blow up government buildings, including the CSIS and RCMP headquarters in Toronto, in retaliation for Canada�s support of America in the War on Terror. To do so, they had procured three tons of fertilizer of the type used to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, which took only one ton to destroy. In raids across the Greater Toronto Area and in Kingston, CSIS seized a cell phone detonator and military paraphernalia that had been used at a training camp the accused had set up in an isolated Ontario area. At the police press conference after the arrests on Friday, even the door the suspects had been using for target practice at the camp was put on display, riddled with bullet holes. CSIS also said the investigation is ongoing. Many of the arrested are of Middle Eastern or Somali background, while at least two are converts to Islam. Some have jobs and some don�t, while others are high school or university students. The father of one of the accused works for Atomic Energy of Canada, while the father of another is a doctor. Two are related by marriage. They live in nice suburban houses or in city apartments, sometimes close to each other. Moreover, one Toronto newspaper reported that the AEC contract employee had once posted bail for an Islamist currently being held in an Ontario jail on a security certificate, awaiting a deportation order. The group�s members, according to security officials, had met through radical Islamist internet sites, now one of the chief means of recruiting jihadists in the West. But CSIS officials say it was their surveillance of these fundamentalist web sites in 2004 that first attracted the intelligence community�s attention to the group. It was also CSIS who had arranged the sale of the fertilizer to the alleged terrorists in a sting operation, arresting them shortly thereafter. An earlier visit to Toronto by two Islamists from Georgia, now in American custody, may also be connected with the investigation. It was reported that one of the two had attended high school in Toronto. Security officials say this group is part of the new wave of homegrown Muslim terrorists appearing in the West. Like the British subway bombers, these second and third generation Muslims have never lived in an Islamic country, at least for any length of time, and have never attended an al Qaeda training camp, but are inspired by Osama bin Laden�s hatred for the West. Their motive, they claim, for plotting to kill their neighbors and for attacking the countries that have opened their doors to them and their families is the West�s supposed persecution of Muslims in such places as Iraq, Afghanistan and Chechnya and for their support of the United States in the War on Terror. Despite al Qaeda having mentioned Canada twice as a potential terrorist target and a top al Qaeda official telling Canada last week to get its troops out of Afghanistan, Canadians were shocked by the arrests. Up until now, terrorists, some of them Canadian citizens, have mostly used Canada to raise money, find recruits and plan attacks in other countries. The most noteworthy example was Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian living in Montreal, who had intended to blow up the Los Angeles airport as part of the Millennium Plot. American officials arrested him at Washington State�s Canadian-American border with a car-load of explosives en route to Los Angeles. But the arrest in 2004 of a Canadian-born Muslim indicated that Canada had a homegrown terrorism problem. Mohammad Momin Khawaja, whose father is Pakistani, was arrested in Ottawa for his involvement in a terrorist bomb plot that was to unfold in London. A large problem in Canada�s fight against terrorism at home was the previous Liberal government, which was voted out of power earlier this year after 12 years of rule. The Liberals are Canada�s party of multiculturalism. As a result, the Liberal government hesitated to crack down hard on terrorist groups, enforce deportation orders (such as the one against Ahmed Ressam) or tighten lax immigration and asylum laws for fear of alienating the urban ethnic vote that forms a large part of their constituency. Former Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien once even had the temerity to say that there were no terrorist groups in Canada, causing CSIS to go to the Canadian public via the media to contradict him, saying there were at least 50 terrorist organizations operating on Canadian soil. A vindictive Chretien then cut CSIS� budget. So is it any wonder that Canada�s only court-recognized expert on jihadism, Tom Quiggen, recently told a Canadian national newspaper that ��some of the world�s most infamous terrorists have operated in Canada almost unhindered for years.� Meanwhile, Canadian Islamic groups have reacted differently to Friday�s arrests. While one Muslim leader sensibly said that Muslims themselves must fight against this extremism in their community, another blamed the federal government for not giving Muslim groups enough money to study why young Muslims are turning to fundamentalist ideologies. Families and friends of those arrested, predictably, have said those charged are good people who have been wrongly accused despite the fact that two of them are already in jail serving a two-year sentence for smuggling weapons into Canada. But Joe Warmington, who was present in the courtroom for the shackled suspects� bail hearing last Saturday, termed some of the alleged terrorists� behavior �bizarre�, saying they were smiling and laughing, as they waved to family members, some of whom were clad in burkas. �You could see that they were proud of themselves,� said Warmington. And with the police still searching for two suspicious men who were filming the Toronto subway system last week, their twisted sense of pride may not yet be misplaced. |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard You who worship along side the radicals are Canada's first line of defence. Defence of this society is EVERY Canadian's primary obligation. The population at large will not forgive those that fail in their obligation and those who have the first opportunity will also receive the first blame for their failures. |
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| Originally posted by StereoPrincess Why can't the good Muslims take care of these bad ones themselves. |
). We try as much as we can by prying into youth's lives, as much as they are comfortable to discuss.
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| Originally posted by fayraree Well said. We're trying. Every mosque that I know of has a youth mentorship program. There are Muslim basketball leagues, softball leagues, and hockey leagues all of which I participate in and keep in touch with all the other Muslim youth involved (mainly male--they're the trouble makers, right? ). We try as much as we can by prying into youth's lives, as much as they are comfortable to discuss.You should have heard the Muslim leaders (Canadian Council of Muslim Theologians--a council of imams; the Muslim leaders of every mosque across Canada) speak at the press conference on CBC yesterday afternoon about every Muslim's duty to do exactly what Moral said above. We are DEFINITELY the front line because we may be praying right next to one of these radicals. Chances are, however, these kids don't even attend the same mosques (neither I nor any of the people I've worked with at the Islamic Foundation of Toronto recognized any of the Toronto east names when I asked them yesterday). That being said, even if you're not Muslim, you should approach people who you think look like radicals and just be friendly with them. You may change their minds about their hatred for the Western world. |
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