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Originally posted by Q5echo i just want to let everyone here know that the Bush doctrine has prohibited all out war in this crucial jucture in Middle East politics. the next time all out war among these countries happens, the Bush doctrine will have been long forgotten. yay Bush doctrine!!! now bring the hate.

could you elaborate? i dont understand

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Originally posted by Yoepus This might not be good for Israel's short term or even larger long term political strategy, but what is for sure, from now on, terrorists and nations will think twice before kidnapping Israelis and violating their borders.

...because that's what has happened to date. hamas has been violating the border for years sending in the suiciders. I guess they'll stop now?

How long will it be before Israel sends their jets to Iran? I give it 12 months.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN could you elaborate? i dont understand

first, you have to be willing to admit that the strategic divide and conquer scheme of the greater Mid-East powers Iraq/Syria, Iran/Afghanistan was successful in, at the very least, isolating Iran and Syria politically more than geographically - Iran more than Syria and at cost no doubt.

second, it has shown to all Arab leaders from Mubarak to Musharraf, from Faud to Asad that America, the worlds only credible superpower is willing stay indefinately and sacrifice ultimately to demonstrate what true Arab/Muslim moderation potential can bring. i think most Arab/Muslims know this potential. i believe they can see it through the jihadist propaganda.

the mere presence of America right now is actually preventing large scale stupidity on the part of extremists. thats obvious. in the long term, i think moderate Arab/Muslims will appreciate what America is willing to suffer.

there is more to this but i'm getting off work now. come back later.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i just want to let everyone here know that the Bush doctrine has prohibited all out war in this crucial jucture in Middle East politics. the next time all out war among these countries happens, the Bush doctrine will have been long forgotten. yay Bush doctrine!!! now bring the hate.

Bush doctrine, yeah that's working real well, whatever that is. Honestly do you see him getting anywhere with Vladmir in Saint Petersburg. He calls Putin friend while Russia pours scorn on them in the world media. He goes to Russia bearing gifts of WTO membership movement and other trade conditions while Russia and China continues to run circle around their policies in Iran and North Korea, yeah some friends. Face it I am no left wing(Howard Dean) or right wing(see Ann Coulter) wingut, I just see a man who has a lot on his plate to deal with and has little leverage to get it done, so that "mysterious doctrine" must be hidden in the sands of Iraq along with those WMD's

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ^^ thats the reason we all laugh at your opinions in the PDD. cretin.

See two people or more than two actually got it that I was joking. However, penis stuck up your ass(thats you) doesn't understand a joke so fuck off cretin.

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Originally posted by Q5echo first, you have to be willing to admit that the strategic divide and conquer scheme of the greater Mid-East powers Iraq/Syria, Iran/Afghanistan was successful in, at the very least, isolating Iran and Syria politically more than geographically - Iran more than Syria and at cost no doubt. second, it has shown to all Arab leaders from Mubarak to Musharraf, from Faud to Asad that America, the worlds only credible superpower is willing stay indefinately and sacrifice ultimately to demonstrate what true Arab/Muslim moderation potential can bring. i think most Arab/Muslims know this potential. i believe they can see it through the jihadist propaganda. the mere presence of America right now is actually preventing large scale stupidity on the part of extremists. thats obvious. in the long term, i think moderate Arab/Muslims will appreciate what America is willing to suffer. there is more to this but i'm getting off work now. come back later.

No matter how much it is spun, just like we use the veto to protect Israel at the U.N. Security Council, the Chinese and Russians will do so to protect their interests in Iran. Therefore any notion of divide and conquer in relation to the actions of the U.S. in the Middle East is one that is on thin ice. The reality is that the U.S. cannot build a consensus to get its positions implemented at the U.N. against the likes of North Korea and Iran. I don't know when you will admit it Q5echo but the biggest catatlyst Iran will be protected unless Georgie can get Vlad to play ball with sanctions, fat chance on that.

By weakening Iraq we have only served to strengthen Iran in the Middle East that runs counter to your point of divide and conquer. I mean who stood the most to benefit from Iraq(Shias) being given power, yep Iran. Iran has even in no uncertain terms warned Israel that any attack on Syria will be met with a fierce response, it may be talk, it may not. Let's hope we don't find out. Your notion of divide and conquer is shortsighted because the biggest and most powerful benefactor is still in play, stronger than before the "elusive Bush doctrine" extended to Iraq.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Iran has even in no uncertain terms warned Israel that any attack on Syria will be met with a fierce response, it may be talk, it may not.

Any attack made by the Iranians against
Israel would be a useless gesture. The US
is now the ultimate power in the
universe. I suggest you get use to it!!!






Cue Darth Vader Anthem as I walk away feeling like such a nerd.....


Cyrus and Hardcore Trancer in cognito at comic con.. you know I am joking you two....

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Originally posted by LazFX Any attack made by the Iranians against Israel would be a useless gesture. The US is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest you get use to it!!!

I don't know if you are being serious, sarcastic, witty or downright arrogant but if only things were so simple, as we all see that ultimate universal power has brought wonderful stability to Iraq. I once again reiterate attacking Iraq only strengthened the Iranians instead of any divide and conquer as Q5echo suggests, after all we know what great allies Iran and Iraq were. Its not up to me to get used to anything I don't live in Beirut, Haifa, Tehran or Damascus to name a few.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan I don't know if you are being serious, sarcastic, witty or downright arrogant but if only things were so simple, as we all see that ultimate universal power has brought wonderful stability to Iraq. I once again reiterate attacking Iraq only strengthened the Iranians instead of any divide and conquer as Q5echo suggests, after all we know what great allies Iran and Iraq were. Its not up to me to get used to anything I don't live in Beirut, Haifa, Tehran or Damascus to name a few.

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VADER The plans you refer to will soon be back in our hands. MOTTI Any attack made by the Rebels against this station would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they've obtained. This station is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest we use it! VADER Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

the knowledge of George will show us the way........

not to keen on the uptakes are we??

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Originally posted by Cyrus King The terrorist nation of Israel has become even more vile infront of the world. One soldier is kindnapped by militants from Gaza, so Israel decides to collectively punish 1.3 million palestianians by bombing thier only electrical grid and water supplied. Along with that, just BOMBING them.

look, all thse years we were in Gaza, the world wanted us out. we got out of there. now, Shalit was kidnapped from a god damn military base within Israeli borders. on top of that, the Hamas assholes fire Kassam missiles on Sederot, a city that's located WITHIN ISRAELI BORDERS.
all I can say for the palestinians is fuck you, as I really don't think that a nation that has chosen their leaders to be Hamas deserve less than what IDF has done.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Two soldiers are kidnapped by a some guerrila militants in lebanon, and now Israel decides to bomb the whole country.. whether its a stadium, bridges, buildings, villages, the only airport, or the capital city of Beirut. WHAT A GREAT WAY OF GETTING THE SOLDIER BACK!!! JUST BOMB THE FUCKIN COUNTRY!!

some guerilla militants...don't you want to write Hezbollah?
we got out of Lebanon, why the hell would they want to kidnap IDF soldiers now? the bombing of Lebanon is all about destroying the Hezbollah infrastructures. IDF bombed bridges, roads and the airport to prevent the Hezbollah terrorists from running away with the two soldiers they kidnapped to northern Lebanon and from there to Syria/Iran (like they did with Ron Arad, and he's been murdered).

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Originally posted by Cyrus King This is more than just the soldiers being kindnapped. This is Israel flexing its oversized muscles fueled by the super steroids their gym buddy called USA has provided them for the last 35 years. Is killing 60 innocent lebanese civilians (so far) along with bombing a whole nation... really worth the trouble of getting two soldiers back this way? Couldnt they try to negotiate? HAHAH.. ISRAEL NEGOTIATE!!! AHAHHAHHA!!!

Hezbollah fire their missiles from those homes of the civilians. they use innocent people as human shield. IDF warned the civilians to evacuate from their homes (that were marked as Hezbollah targets).

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Originally posted by LazFX the knowledge of George will show us the way........ not to keen on the uptakes are we??

Ah, gottcha now , was wondering what that gigantic pic was all about, it did have relevancy thought it was your sig for a moment, not big on the Star Wars am I.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan not big on the Star Wars am I.

that, is why you fail.

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Originally posted by psychosomatica The problem there is that Hamas has not taken responsibility for the kidnapping. What we do know is that another group has taken responsibility. If this situation is true, then Hamas is not directly responsible for the kidnapping. Granted, there are linkages, but, that's all they are... an example would be how Michael Moore drew linkages between the Bush clan and the Saudi royal family. I'm actually kind of disappointed that you would imply that it is ok for jewish extremists to retaliate in the same manner. I hold both sides to the same standard. Just because it happened after does not make it any less of a crime. At least it is in my opinion.

all I know is that Hamas kidnapped Shalit, becaue I saw it on the news. but let's say it didn't, but another group that has ties with Hamas did. you still don't see Israeli groups (that has ties to the government) kidnapping palestinians because they want to.
plus, I didn't say it was ok for this 'organization' to kidnap the palestinians, and I never will. IDF is responsible for the reactions of Israel. those people should be caught, and the palestinians should be returned to their homes. (one more thing tho, the 'organization' claims to have kidnapped the 2 palestinians, there are no proofs yet; and as I said, if it's true they must be caught).

Lebanon calling for a ceasefire now

lebanon need zidane if theyre gonna survive this thing.

skot_e and occrider please read this:

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States of Terror Syria, Iran and their proxies wage war on Israel. Friday, July 14, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT Israel's military invasion and naval blockade of Lebanon is being denounced in European capitals and at the United Nations as a "disproportionate" response to the kidnapping this week of two of its soldiers by Hezbollah. Israel's decision late last month to invade Gaza in retaliation for the kidnapping of another soldier by Hamas was also condemned as lacking in proportion. So here's a question for our global solons: Since hostage-taking is universally regarded as an act of war, what "proportionate" action do they propose for Israel? In the case of Hamas, perhaps Israel could rain indiscriminate artillery fire on Gaza City, surely a proportionate response to the 800 rockets Hamas has fired at Israeli towns in the last year alone. In the case of Hezbollah, it might mean carpet bombing a section of south Beirut, another equally proportionate response to Hezbollah's attacks on civilian Jewish and Israeli targets in Buenos Aires in the early 1990s. We aren't being serious, but neither is a feckless international community that refuses to proportionately denounce the outrages to which Israel is being subjected. That goes also for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who says "all sides must act with restraint." But Israel's current problems result in part from an excess of restraint in responding to previous Hamas and Hezbollah provocations. Now Israel is confronted with a war on two fronts with proxy terrorists armed and financed by Syria and Iran. Yesterday, medium-range Hezbollah rockets hit civilian targets across northern Israel. Any of those rockets might easily hit the port city of Haifa's oil refineries and chemical plants, causing horrific damage that would give Israel cause, and perhaps the self-preservation necessity, to strike Damascus and Tehran. So far, Israel is limiting its military activities to Lebanon alone, out of the same abundance of restraint that has governed its behavior throughout the crisis. The democratic Lebanese government of Fouad Siniora bears its share of the blame, since it has failed to police its side of the border with Israel and failed to disarm Hezbollah, as required by Security Council Resolution 1559 and the 1989 Taif Accords that ended the Lebanese civil war. Senior Israeli military sources also claim that Lebanon tolerates the presence of hundreds of Iranian military personnel in Lebanon, again in violation of U.N. resolutions. But Mr. Siniora's failings owe to weakness, not malfeasance, particularly in the face of Syria's continued meddling in Lebanese affairs following the departure of its army last year. A larger problem has been the failure of the Bush Administration to press Damascus harder when it had the opportunity to do so in the wake of last year's Cedar Revolution. The U.N. investigation into the murder of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, in which all evidence points to the involvement of senior associates and relatives of Syrian dictator Bashar Assad, seems to have disappeared in a black hole. Nor has the U.S. exacted any price for Syria's ongoing support for the insurgents in Iraq. Critics of the Bush Administration will surely find a way to blame it for the current crisis, on the theory that this is what happens when you push for change in the Middle East. But the real problem is the growing perception among Arab regimes and terrorist frontmen that the U.S. is so bogged down in Iraq, and so suddenly deferential to the wishes of the "international community," that it has lost its appetite for serious reform. This has created openings for the kind of terror assaults on American allies we are now witnessing. Israel can and will handle the immediate military threats on its two borders. But ultimately there will be no resolution in Lebanon and Gaza until the regimes in Syria and Iran believe they will pay a price for the wars they are waging through their proxies. The referral this week of Iran's nuclear file to the U.N. Security Council is a start, although we have little confidence it will lead anywhere. The White House has cited Syria and Iran as the culprits behind this week's events, but more forceful words and action are called for. The Middle East stands on the cusp of its worst crisis in a generation, and this is no time for formulaic statements calling for "restraint from both sides." source: http://www.opinionjournal.com/edito...ml?id=110008658

They say it better than I could have.
Suffice to say had Israel done what was needed earlier this crisis would not be what it is now.

Now also understand that Sharon most likely would have acted against Lebanon and Hamas earliker, however US pressure because of Iraq to keep things quiet were most likely the motivating factor limiting Israel's hand in protecting its security.

i think that it is done by the iranian extremist president is responsible for the whole thing. He is the only individual who wants the distruction of israel. HE probably wants to start a war but he needs to find an excuse. He has to do so that Israel should start first. So he sends money to Lebannon(i mean the terrorist group inside the Lebannon, like hezbollah or some other terrorists) so that Lebannon would kidnap the soldiers. This would enrage the Israel and Israel would attack Lebannon. It won't find it's missing soldiers in there so it would move to Syria and then Iran would come in with its military. The history is repeating itself. One of the casuses of WWI were alliances. Israel is allied with UN and NATO(US, and most of the West) while Lebannon is allied with Syria and Iran and probably the rest of Middle east will be involved. so i would be preparing for the worst: WWIII. If cold war was East vs. West, now its gona be North(israel) vs South

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Originally posted by ilya49 He is the only individual who wants the distruction of israel.

Tih tak doomayish?

Ahnee f'seh hatyat oobeet israeltyanov.

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Originally posted by ilya49 Israel is allied with UN and NATO(US, and most of the West) while Lebannon is allied with Syria and Iran and probably the rest of Middle east will be involved. so i would be preparing for the worst: WWIII. If cold war was East vs. West, now its gona be North(israel) vs South

You mean it will be UN vs OPEC?

Lebanon, Syria, Iran and rest of the middle east is also UN members.

Anyhow UN will be a dismatled scrap soon. US has rendered UN a paperwork and nothing more than that.

Who gives a shit what Kofi Annan has to say?

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Originally posted by Purple Anyhow UN will be a dismatled scrap soon. US has rendered UN a paperwork and nothing more than that.

I agree with that, somewhat. I indeed believe that the US is responsible for the lack of authority the UN now has (Compared to around 1990's [Rwanda]). But I think the whole Idea of the UN being "A dismantled scrap" is a bit pessimistic. I think what most countries are going to realize, is that in order for a unity of nations to work, there has to be equal representation and equal attention to all nations.

Not only that, but nations need to heed the rulings of the UN and not just go to war coz they want to (ie Iraq).

There has been a bit about Syria's role here, and certainly in Iraq, and the talk has been in the news for well over a year which leads me to ask, what ever happened to the 'with us or against us' thing. Fairly clear that iran and syria are 'against us' so what's happening there (I'm not suggesting action, but it seems odd Bush would say that then do nothing).

Was it a mistake to invade Iraq instead of Syria or Iran?

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Originally posted by Yan Tih tak doomayish? Ahnee f'seh hatyat oobeet israeltyanov.

Eta na %100 pravda.

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Originally posted by dennis Eta na %100 pravda.

nehuya sebe zdes' esho kto to po russki bazarit

just watched some Fox news and the breaking news says that syria is going to aid hezbollah and lebanon.

I'm waiting for the sites to update so I can source it.

The important question...

Bush and his cabinet are asking themselves, "How can we benefit from this most?"

The answer is the question.

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