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cargo (twisted) used to do awesome shows at the commodore...

they had derrick carter one night in 2004 and there was a huge fight (possibly a stabbing, im not sure). i was there and cops were running in with huge automatic weapons, although i'm told they were just rubber bullets, but still....it was pretty freaky.

the night ended an hour early.

after that night the commodore only lets certain promoters do electronic/club shows....apparantly cargo not being one of them.

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Originally posted by PersianMafia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwsJB2NL168 this video shows the atmosphere pretty well. can someone maybe ID that track?

Cara Dillon vs 2 Devine - 'Black is the Colour', didn't bother listening long enough to nab the mix/remix ID. The most popular of course is the Coco & Green Remix.

-nevermind, scrolled down, two other ppl IDed it. Thanks.

Re: Re: Did I read that right ?!?!

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Originally posted by LToy Krysx Is Victoria the only BC stop Tyas is making in 2007, or will Vancouver get another chance to hear this DJ? Loren

I can try talking to him, I bet he'd love to come back, but I'd need someone from a local promotional group to show enough interest to help me on this one. I know a lot of other guys who want to come here too, mostly smaller but fairly solid dj/producers who have wanted to come here as well.

Re: Armin was amazing!

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Originally posted by Treska I don't really understand why people would come on here and complain about not being able to get to the front because of tall and fat people. I got there late...just as Armin got on the stage, and it was fine. Sure, there wasn't a lot of room because it was so overcrowded, but it was easy enough to get near the front if that's where you wanted to be. I couldn't care less about the people around me and what they looked like or if they were polite, I wasn't there for them. Toughin' up.

while its true one should 'toughin' up, for those that have been going to 'trance' events in Vancouver over the past 5 years (maybe longer, maybe shorter), there has been of late a significant change in the crowd over the last 2 years. I can remember things at Viva when Danny ran things there, and PLUSH when it first 're-opened' and Marty and Adam were hauling big names in there. The crowds weren't as big, venues weren't overcrowded like they have been of late, but when they were pretty packed (I remember the first time Harding came to Vancouver when he was still relatively a nobody - Viva was PACKED) the crowds were different at these events. You'd often see the same faces at different venues, and while no one knew or really seemed to care about getting to know each other, there was a level of respect. You were respectful enough of your neighbor while still managing to have an all out great time.

Then about a year or slightly more ago I remember going to see Corsten somewhere, and getting elbowed in the face, the other guy didn't even notice or care. I had to practically shove 250 lb sweat stained and soaked drunken beheamouths far enough apart just so I can fit my girlfriend in beside me so we could stand there like sardines in the middle of what seemed like a mosh pit.

I've heard (not witnessed) stories about bouncers shoving people off stages and being indifferent to drunk people who should be carefully escorted to cabs, instead they're left to stumble face first into pillars or get thrown by the scurff of their neck into the pavement. I myself, while trying to hand a CDR to Bo when I saw Filo & Peri got grabbed by the neck and shoved towards the door and had to slip Elena the CD.

It's like a total reversal, how things are done and managed, the level of mutual respect in crowds, some of the promotional groups are starting to take more noticeable heat for their growing number of mistakes (from no-shows at summer events to the 'ticket fiasco' over Doom's Night) and it seems the number of complaints about events is starting to grow beyond the typical and almost ignorable comments relating to line-ups. I barely read these forums these days, and when I do I skim through the events here and there to get a feel for how everyone here is enjoying the events/clubs/crowds/djs/shows and I'm seeing more 'sluts' 'weed' 'pushing/shoving' and less 'the show was flawless, i had a blast'. There's still a lot of positive comments, but like Krys here, while sometimes I've had a legitimate excuse for not showing up at an event (like Ton TB I had that horrible stomach flu), for others I start falsly relating trance events to top 40 friday nights. The last three times over the past year I've been dragged to a club (a friend's birthday party the usual case), I ALWAYS witness some drunken fight between two people or two groups over some trivial crap. It's something that happens, and you deal, but it puts a damper on the vibe.

Meh I could go on but I've probably already embarassed myself enough. Hopefully I haven't made too much of an ass of myself (although I'm good at that since I am one). As well, don't let anyone think that I think poorly of all trance events and all people and all crowds, in fact almost every event I've been to has overall been a positive experience and I really hope I can find myself at another one someday soon in 2007!

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Originally posted by krysx25 haha .. given that perhaps only 20 people will attend their event from this forum ...

Don't these 20 people bring others along with them? Whenever I go I bring an average of three more people in addition to myself. Suddenly that 20 turns into 80. Not to mention when I posted this event on facebook casually and by the end there were 30 people going (incl 5 of my friends).

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Originally posted by krysx25 don't hold your breath, I think the Kraigster just comes out and makes an event thread and that's about it ..

That's pretty much it. They don't care. Public relations doesn't mean squat to them. It used to be all about the music, now it's about the money (understandably). The only thing I'm complaining about here is the shitty sound. I can deal with high prices (to a point), 20 minute lineups (everybody is getting checked who cares?), late dj's (30 minutes is nothing- 1 hour is another story), overcrowding (adds to the intensity, that's what I love about these events), and asshole bouncers (just stay out of their way).

Who was the promoter for Tiesto when he came in May?

The only "hard" thing about doing anything (in this case bringing in a DJ) is the steps to make that happen. Money can be found with a well-written proposal to a bank to obtain a loan. What actions are required by the promoter, however, are not so readily available. That's what I can't figure out at this point.

this is funny

first off, if any of you actually think that you can book Armin, stop

because you wont



and this is Vancouver , weve always had and always will have a shitty scene.


No point of even complaining anymore

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Originally posted by blueadept Who was the promoter for Tiesto when he came in May?

that would have been the house of blues possibly paired up with some big tobacco company

these days, armin or any DJs of his caliber can usually only be booked if you are a reputable promo company with some sort of history of dealing with the booking agency, or any history at all

people like us can work out parties with the smaller guys, like tyas, and ton tb, but i would not hold my breath for armin

you could always team up with twisted but set conditions if you're a sponsor, or something of the sort

I dont see why they would want to team up with anyone if they are selling out shows

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Originally posted by apri_peel the sound at plush has always been bunk... now sound at celebrities is amazing! you can stand right in the front with the headliner going all nuts and it won't even hurt your ears.

gotta totally agree with you here... I didn't go to Armin this time because I saw him in Oct in Seattle... I went to Sasha instead.. The sound was great and I didn't have any ringing at all the next day... a lot of other places offer bad sound but at least your ears are not ringing for the next 3 days

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Originally posted by Tayfoon this is funny first off, if any of you actually think that you can book Armin, stop because you wont and this is Vancouver , weve always had and always will have a shitty scene. No point of even complaining anymore

Do you know this for sure? No. Probably not. Everybody gives up so easily, its pretty silly.

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Originally posted by Tayfoon and this is Vancouver , weve always had and always will have a shitty scene. No point of even complaining anymore

My hero the T-man.
Aren't you a promoter bro? Can't you ahhh .. call some people?
Makes this happen? shake things up? eh? ....

To answere above question about booking big name DJs.

Yes it is almost impossible to book them, unless you have a reputation as a promoter or have worked with the DJs management/booking company before.

Not to mention you need 6 figure bank account to support you.

It is extremely difficult to book these top DJs.

And as for Plush, I think it would be a great venue if they spent some money in the sound system, otherwise I have never waited more than 5 min in line, bouncers have never harrassed me, and I have alwayse had a good time there.

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Originally posted by Kluivert And as for Plush, I think it would be a great venue if they spent some money in the sound system, otherwise I have never waited more than 5 min in line, bouncers have never harrassed me, and I have alwayse had a good time there.

+1

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Originally posted by blueadept Do you know this for sure? No. Probably not. Everybody gives up so easily, its pretty silly.

100% sure


to book these top djs you have to have a long track record, and to book the small djs from the same agency before


Besides, Twisted have been booking Armin for years and years, why would his agent want to work with anyone else ?

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Originally posted by krysx25 My hero the T-man. Aren't you a promoter bro? Can't you ahhh .. call some people? Makes this happen? shake things up? eh? ....

Dave Lewis and I are far from friends

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Originally posted by blueadept Do you know this for sure? No. Probably not. Everybody gives up so easily, its pretty silly.

These days the man with the most money wins...if you don't have a long record for booking DJ's you can still get any DJ on your wallet. A serious dream of mine is to build my own venue, made especially for for electronic music (5,000-15,000 max capacity). Maybe a club within a larger music hall. With top notch sound, extrav light shows, basically the works. Several mill should accomplish that, then you can have festivals, kinda like a small sensation or TE. Build it and they will come! Tell me that I can't do it - and it gives me more motivation to do so. Anyway thats a 5-10 year plan, and it will happen in Vancouver-because I care so much about the trance scene and I'll make it happen in time. I know right now it's just some words on some internet forum, but to me it is a passion.

All I wanna say now is ...

WHOA!! .. look at all the TiT's coming out!

Fresh souls and energies to harness!
( I hope they can dance )

Hey TiT's! Next time out I wanna see you on the dancefloor
front row center along me - giving it all you got!!

I claim the dancefloor junkies all mine!
Stay off em Elena!!

So..
Someone messaged me to ask for my opinion on this, and if could please post here. Ok, I guess. Wasn't at the event, and haven't read through all 14 pages. We aren't part of Twisted, nor are we "competitors" with them. Definitely respect everything they've acheived.

But, here goes
- Twisted is not out to screw you
- Venues have more control then you think
- There is no where else they can do events like this
- Commodore is not available
- Ticket prices are that much because the artist costs huge $ on a weekend, and because its mainstream now
- The quality of crowds historically is always tied to ticket price.. the higher/bigger the show, the more mainstream people will be there and they tend to not be accepted by the "true" scene people
- Most people that go to these shows are there because they want to have fun, they aren't going to try and piss you off. So cut them some slack if they want to get a bit stupid sometimes.
- There are plenty of underground-focused events that would love to have more of your support, and you would love them, so keep an eye out for non top 10 trance dj's
- If AVB wasnt on the same night as Sasha, it would have been most of the same crowd. They just tend to go to the big events
- In every single city, mainstream events happen, with similar effects

In the end, the biggest power you have is not attending the event. Twisted isn't forcing you to go the event. Not to be blunt, but sll this chatting on here won't have much effect. If you want change, make it yourself, support the smaller events that suit your needs, or just stay at home. Believe me, Azim and Twisted do love Trance and would love to do some of the events you talk about, but no one supports these shows usually. Times are tough right now in this city, so its time for each of you to make a mark in your own way to help push it forward.

Holy shit -- I don't check out this thread for a week and look what I come back to!!!

ARPY -- thanks for posting that, you took a lot of words out of my mouth.

As I handle ALL of Twisted's marketing/PR, should any of you have any questions please send them to me directly. I don't have time to read 14 pages.

And PS: Twisted shows have some of the best production - staging and lighting, etc. in the city. We spend thousands on props, staging and sound for all of our shows. -- Did anyone see the new inflatables in the ceiling we just purchased?

I look forward to your questions and Arpy - thanks again.

Cheers.

^ well said.

PS: Be thankfull twisted and azim are bringing these talents to our city, otherwise we'd have to travell to seattle or even further to see the big name djs.

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Originally posted by James Kutney These days the man with the most money wins...if you don't have a long record for booking DJ's you can still get any DJ on your wallet. A serious dream of mine is to build my own venue, made especially for for electronic music (5,000-15,000 max capacity). Maybe a club within a larger music hall. With top notch sound, extrav light shows, basically the works. Several mill should accomplish that, then you can have festivals, kinda like a small sensation or TE. Build it and they will come! Tell me that I can't do it - and it gives me more motivation to do so. Anyway thats a 5-10 year plan, and it will happen in Vancouver-because I care so much about the trance scene and I'll make it happen in time. I know right now it's just some words on some internet forum, but to me it is a passion.

I think I might have multiple personality disorder. Did I post this? I, too feel this same way and would love to bring a Euro-quality club to Vancouver. I also live in White Rock :P But yes, bringing a club to the area needs to not only be a passion, but economically viable, otherwise you are throwing your money down the drain.

opening a club is alot bigger of an undertaking then opening say a restaurant or clothing store.... might be more comparable to trying to get franchise in the NFL or NHL... it's a very expensive buy-in, the current players don't really want an extra face on the scene, and the league (city) tries to extort you before you can open up for business.

I'd love to see a new club open up, but there's a reason alot of the current ones are moving, closing, or suck... alot has to do with city residents and civic regulations severely restricting business to a point of choking parts of it. And in turn with this, alot of venues operate with a mentality that they might not be in business next week, so might not see many renovations, fixes, or the best staffing.

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Originally posted by James Kutney These days the man with the most money wins...if you don't have a long record for booking DJ's you can still get any DJ on your wallet. A serious dream of mine is to build my own venue, made especially for for electronic music (5,000-15,000 max capacity). Maybe a club within a larger music hall. With top notch sound, extrav light shows, basically the works. Several mill should accomplish that, then you can have festivals, kinda like a small sensation or TE. Build it and they will come! Tell me that I can't do it - and it gives me more motivation to do so. Anyway thats a 5-10 year plan, and it will happen in Vancouver-because I care so much about the trance scene and I'll make it happen in time. I know right now it's just some words on some internet forum, but to me it is a passion.

you know, there is a TA who has a similar dream, and he even knows a guy willing to put big money into a project like that, so don't feel alone.


i agree with arpy on supporting the smaller guys. there are several companies in vancouver that put on much smaller events on a regular basis, but because they don't do major dance events, they don't get much recognition. if there was enough support, we'd have regular trance nights, but there isn't. those have been around for 3+ years know of all the attempts to launch a permanent trance night in vancouver. all of them have failed because of inexistent support. so all we are left with right now is a trance night on wednesdays where you get primarily hard trance and very few people attending because of the day of the week.

if any of you want to make a difference, start supporting local DJs and small events. vancouver used to have a fairly good trance scene, which has nearly vanished in the last couple of years all because people want to go to see big DJs and don't care about the little guys.

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Originally posted by Kluivert ^ well said. PS: Be thankfull twisted and azim are bringing these talents to our city, otherwise we'd have to travell to seattle or even further to see the big name djs.

Don't even bother with Seattle; if you thought Vancouver was bad, Seattle is EVEN WORSE

^I personally thought the show in Vancouver was great given what the promoters have to work with.

I have been to a lot of shows, big shows, small shows, big cities and small cities.
you can not compare apples to oranges. It would not be fair for example for me to compare AVB's set @ Giant NYE paty in LA to Plush AVB show.

Given our small city and limited venues Twisted has done a great job bringing talent and they keep improving their light shows, etc...
they do what they can. They have tried other clubs around town but turned out to disaster (i.e. Atlantis, Aqua, etc...)

Given so many limitations, plush is currently the best club to have these well known main stream DJs.

One thing I would suggest to Twisted is looking into opening their own club in Vancouver (just an idea), which eventually would allow them to even charge lower ticket prices which is personally the only problem I have with Vancouver shows.

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