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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Anyone can do anything they put their mind and energy towards. If Beethoven were alive today, he'd be writing trance.

I think trance is too easy for him =)

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Originally posted by RoBDaWG It depends on what you spin also. Like with trance, there isn't much to do but mix intros and outros

Not true, there's a lot more you can do with trance, you just have to be creative. It's no different than other genres. You can make mashups, you can loop parts like with CDJs and add things ontop of tracks. You can do breakdown mixes, harmonic mixes (which aren't that creative but do make things sound better when mixing melodies) and you can do some of the stuff Eddie Halliwell does, with a mixture of trance and techno.

You can also do more creative stuff as far as sequencing of the mix and building it up. You could use ambient or downtempo tracks in the beginning, building up to prog and then epic and it kind of flows into a journey, kind of like Tiesto's "ISOS 3" was. You could start off fast and gradually bring it down, or start somewhat fast, get slower, and then bring it back up.

That may not sound creative to some, but it does take creativity and imagination and the right set of tracks to make it sound good. I mean to me, sequencing of a mix can be just as creative as doing all fancy of tricks, which aren't a staple of trance mix (the fancy tricks) but sequencing of the mix can be. With Ableton live, making edits and not just mixing and out of intros and outros is becoming much more intuitive.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 You can also do more creative stuff as far as sequencing of the mix and building it up. You could use ambient or downtempo tracks in the beginning, building up to prog and then epic and it kind of flows into a journey

Yes, but I can do that by burning a certain sequence of tracks to a disc. Selecting tracks is not a skill.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yes, but I can do that by burning a certain sequence of tracks to a disc. Selecting tracks is not a skill.

you're dead wrong if these are the definitions you're working with:

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from dictionary.com 1. the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well. 2. competent excellence in performance; expertness; dexterity.

Alright then, a DJing skill. Unless you want to count standing upright throughout the set as a "DJing skill" as well. After all, standing upright fits that definition.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Alright then, a DJing skill. Unless you want to count standing upright throughout the set as a "DJing skill" as well. After all, standing upright fits that definition.

track selection is the most important part of djing, and the are where most djs fail miserably.
in fact, if you want to compare a djskill to 'standing upright', beatmatching fits far better.

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Originally posted by Psy-T track selection is the most important part of djing, and the are where most djs fail miserably. in fact, if you want to compare a djskill to 'standing upright', beatmatching fits far better.

It may well be very important, but that doesn't make it a DJing skill. Running is not a football skill, or a rugby skill or a baseball skill. You can sequence tracks well without DJing, but you don't beatmatch in any other context.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It may well be very important, but that doesn't make it a DJing skill. Running is not a football skill, or a rugby skill or a baseball skill. You can sequence tracks well without DJing, but you don't beatmatch in any other context.

beatmatching is synchronizing music with the aid of technology, correct?
isn't that something that most (none-soloist) musicians do when practicing and preforming?
if so, using your logic, synchronizing music is not a DJing skill.


as i imagine collage artists are not judged by how well they apply the glue but rather by how well they select the pieces to glue together...

No. It's adjusting the tempo of records (or any pre-recorded track in any format) so they're playing at the same speed in time with each other.

DJ skills are what seperate a DJ from someone just playing records one after the other. They are what make it a trade, an art and a profession rather than simply an act.

ENGLISH is NO SKILL ???

Anyone can be a DJ

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Originally posted by Beethoven Anyone can be a DJ

Anyone can be anything if they learn how

we're still making generalisations right?

EDIT> what is this thread about now?

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Originally posted by Beethoven it seem that you are totally agree with me. however, if DJ is NO SKILL, can every DJ voted to be number 1?

So are you disagreeing with yourself?

No. Not all DJ can be number 1, BUT everybody can be a DJ. Your mom, your dad, your girlfriend, your little brother, and I believe your grandma can be a DJ too LOL

=D

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Originally posted by Beethoven No. Not all DJ can be number 1, BUT everybody can be a DJ. Your mom, your dad, your girlfriend, your little brother, and I believe your grandma can be a DJ too LOL =D

Yeah. So what's your point?

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Originally posted by Beethoven No. Not all DJ can be number 1, BUT everybody can be a DJ. Your mom, your dad, your girlfriend, your little brother, and I believe your grandma can be a DJ too LOL =D

so? Anyone can become anything, just with varying amounts of ability.

Stupid thread.

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Originally posted by Jeremy H Stupid threadstarter.

Fixed.

Well. the truth is learning DJ is FAR MORE EASY than piano. get it??? good.

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Originally posted by Beethoven Well. the truth is learning DJ is FAR MORE EASY than piano. get it??? good.

What if a piano falls on a DJ and kills him?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J No. It's adjusting the tempo of records (or any pre-recorded track in any format) so they're playing at the same speed in time with each other.

yeah.. that's the same thing.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J DJ skills are what seperate a DJ from someone just playing records one after the other. They are what make it a trade, an art and a profession rather than simply an act.

just as being able to apply glue to pieces of paper is what seperates a collage artist from someone just cutting and placing pieces of paper together.


in other words, nearly everyone is a dj according to your criteria. just as nearly everyone is a collage artist, because anyone except the severely mentally challenged can both use a button to press play, and glue!

damn, we're a skillful bunch!

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Originally posted by Beethoven Well. the truth is learning DJ is FAR MORE EASY than piano. get it??? good.

Anyone can play piano too. But they're not going to be very good at it.

It's the same with DJ'ing.

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Originally posted by Beethoven Well. the truth is learning DJ is FAR MORE EASY than piano. get it??? good.

Actually he's got a point there.
If you have some records and you can beatmatch you can basically DJ (not good and experienced though U can mix and play records).
Playing an instrument like a piano it takes much more practice before you can play a normal melody/song.

Sure I already hear you guys saying: "With piano you can learn to play a melody in 1 minute". But can you learn to play proper songs and entertain the audience for an whole hour with your piano in a short amount of time? No, not atleast songs that will amuse the audience.
With DJing you can play/entertain the audience for hours if you can beatmatch and have enough records. As long as you play music for them (ignoring the fact that the audience must like the tracks you play) it's allright to them.

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Originally posted by DJ Nickazz Actually he's got a point there. If you have some records and you can beatmatch you can basically DJ (not good and experienced though U can mix and play records). Playing an instrument like a piano it takes much more practice before you can play a normal melody/song. Sure I already hear you guys saying: "With piano you can learn to play a melody in 1 minute". But can you learn to play proper songs and entertain the audience for an whole hour with your piano in a short amount of time? No, not atleast songs that will amuse the audience. With DJing you can play/entertain the audience for hours if you can beatmatch and have enough records. As long as you play music for them (ignoring the fact that the audience must like the tracks you play) it's allright to them.

i can make millions as a basketball player in the n.b.a (ignoring the fact that i'm not any good with basketball).

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Originally posted by Psy-T yeah.. that's the same thing.

No it isn't. Stop being obtuse. You may be synchronising music with the aid of technology when you beatmatch, but that's not what the word defines. Similarly, you "cover distance under your own power" when walking, but that doesn't mean we can lump crawling, running, jogging, tiptoeing and jumping as "walking". There's an obvious difference between what occurs when you do something, and what actually constitutes that something.

No band playing together have ever called it "beatmatching". The word was not formed to describe that action. It was formed to explain the very specific action of mixing two records together by matching tempos so the beats were in time. Beatmatching is a word that solely describes an action or a skill invented and practically exclusively performed by DJing. So stop wasting my fucking time with semantic games.

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in other words, nearly everyone is a dj according to your criteria. just as nearly everyone is a collage artist, because anyone except the severely mentally challenged can both use a button to press play, and glue! damn, we're a skillful bunch!

What? Seriously... what? How can "nearly everyone" pull off DJ-specific skills like beatmatching or scratching? You're the one who seems to be implying that if you can sequence a bunch of records, you've performed a DJing skill. So according to you, anyone who's ever burned a disc or made a playlist that isn't randomly organised has performed a DJ skill and so is apparently, to an extent, a DJ.

I don't know how you've completely missed the point. "Using a button to press play" is not a DJ-specific skill. What cack-handed interpretation of my argument did you use to get that gemstone out of it?

Oh, and just to get rid of that collage artist bullshit... the obvious skill of making a collage is gluing things to paper to eventually form a coherent pattern. If you're doing that, then... yeah, you're making a collage. However, if you're ordering your MP3s into a playlist, you're not DJing. "Gluing stuff to a page" is not the definition of a collagist, so the distinction is the skill of being able to make coherent, meaningful patterns from what you've glued. Which most people don't do when they glue stuff to a page.

You're usually a smart guy, but this is far-and-away the most stupid post I've seen you make. Judging by the second part, I'm not even sure you understood what I said.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J ...

allow me to use an example: David Mancuso.
if we're to go with your criteria for dj skill, Mancuso was one of the least skillful DJs in the world, surpassed in skill by most bedroom DJs, even the ones just starting out.

if this implication of your criteria does not bother you, then you obviously come with a completely different point of view, and there's absolutely no point for us to continue discussing this topic.


edit: i had my history a bit mixed up for a second, sorry

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