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Posted by EarnYourKeep on Feb-07-2007 21:19:

what good is a pitcher if he can't rely on the other 8 players on the field? same goes for what good is the pitcher if the other 8 can't rely on him to throw strikes. would you rather have a walk-athon then dunkers and errors? i'd always would want to the ball in play then say giving up the free pass...ball in play means the pitcher is throwing strikes...of course we'd all love to have a pitcher burning the mit and blowing holes through swings, fact is those are the pitchers that tend to get hit the hardest because hitters don't need to swing with power they just need to make contact...

where as a less of a threat pitcher can craftly place pitches that induce ground balls, a fire arm usually means either he's hitting the zone with heat, the balls traveling out of the park with heat, or it's a walk-athon. more controlled pitching less strike out power more groundball power means the pitchers arm can last longer, he's effective in shutting down an offense by making the offense get themselves out.

i didn't pitch the anywhere near those league levels just in my mind i'd rather throw a groundball then say chance a strikeout versus a walk or homerun...granted as you go up in those leagues hitters are more patient and selective that doesn't mean a sinker down or a cutter in inducing a groundball isn't as good as continuous heat


Posted by Vlad on Feb-07-2007 21:32:

Theres really no room to screw with the Yankee line-up, chances are what people expect it to be, it will be...

Damon, Jeter, Abreu, ARod, Cano, Giambi, Matsui, Posada, Mienkeiwitz

The tricky part about having so many really good hitters is the strategy of where you want to put them. I like Cano in the 5th spot because he hits for average and can get alot more RBI's than Giambi in that spot, plus this doesnt impinge on Giambi's numbers cause Cano gets on base and can advance runners also.

Im glad we finally got a good defender at 1B.


*from the other MLB thread.


Posted by steven-neil on Feb-07-2007 21:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Theres really no room to screw with the Yankee line-up, chances are what people expect it to be, it will be...

Damon, Jeter, Abreu, ARod, Cano, Giambi, Matsui, Posada, Mienkeiwitz

The tricky part about having so many really good hitters is the strategy of where you want to put them. I like Cano in the 5th spot because he hits for average and can get alot more RBI's than Giambi in that spot, plus this doesnt impinge on Giambi's numbers cause Cano gets on base and can advance runners also.

Im glad we finally got a good defender at 1B.


*from the other MLB thread.


we needed that vlad...first base was the only weak spot in the whole team....


Posted by Shamez214 on Feb-07-2007 22:27:

quote:
Originally posted by kid nyce
what good is a pitcher if he can't rely on the other 8 players on the field? same goes for what good is the pitcher if the other 8 can't rely on him to throw strikes. would you rather have a walk-athon then dunkers and errors? i'd always would want to the ball in play then say giving up the free pass...ball in play means the pitcher is throwing strikes...of course we'd all love to have a pitcher burning the mit and blowing holes through swings, fact is those are the pitchers that tend to get hit the hardest because hitters don't need to swing with power they just need to make contact...

where as a less of a threat pitcher can craftly place pitches that induce ground balls, a fire arm usually means either he's hitting the zone with heat, the balls traveling out of the park with heat, or it's a walk-athon. more controlled pitching less strike out power more groundball power means the pitchers arm can last longer, he's effective in shutting down an offense by making the offense get themselves out.

i didn't pitch the anywhere near those league levels just in my mind i'd rather throw a groundball then say chance a strikeout versus a walk or homerun...granted as you go up in those leagues hitters are more patient and selective that doesn't mean a sinker down or a cutter in inducing a groundball isn't as good as continuous heat


I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here.


Posted by EarnYourKeep on Feb-07-2007 22:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Shamez214
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here.


i think you need to let me know when ur coming out so we can get plastered same for arnold he's been hiding too


Posted by Shamez214 on Feb-07-2007 22:45:

quote:
Originally posted by kid nyce
i think you need to let me know when ur coming out so we can get plastered same for arnold he's been hiding too


Pacha. Friday. Duh.


Posted by Vlad on Feb-07-2007 23:54:

Bryan, you getting those season tickets again?


Posted by chanman7483 on Feb-08-2007 03:53:

quote:
Originally posted by kid nyce
what good is a pitcher if he can't rely on the other 8 players on the field? same goes for what good is the pitcher if the other 8 can't rely on him to throw strikes. would you rather have a walk-athon then dunkers and errors? i'd always would want to the ball in play then say giving up the free pass...ball in play means the pitcher is throwing strikes...of course we'd all love to have a pitcher burning the mit and blowing holes through swings, fact is those are the pitchers that tend to get hit the hardest because hitters don't need to swing with power they just need to make contact...

where as a less of a threat pitcher can craftly place pitches that induce ground balls, a fire arm usually means either he's hitting the zone with heat, the balls traveling out of the park with heat, or it's a walk-athon. more controlled pitching less strike out power more groundball power means the pitchers arm can last longer, he's effective in shutting down an offense by making the offense get themselves out.

i didn't pitch the anywhere near those league levels just in my mind i'd rather throw a groundball then say chance a strikeout versus a walk or homerun...granted as you go up in those leagues hitters are more patient and selective that doesn't mean a sinker down or a cutter in inducing a groundball isn't as good as continuous heat


This is almost pointless because you don't see the value of stats(quantative proof), but the statistics(evidence), going back to when stats were first kept, prove that guys with crappy k ratios have far less success than guys who have at least a 5,6 k/9 ratio. And like the poster above stated, you don't need to throw hard to strike people out. Any ball put in play has an extremely higher likely hood of NOT being an out because that's the nature of balls put in play. K's lower the probabilty of a hit to zero. Higher K's also don't translate into higher walk totals either. But again... we can't get into that b/c I'm not going to throw stats(proof) at you.

BTW just to touch on the stat nerd point you brought up before... I have no aspirations to get into that field at all as I have a career I enjoy, but a couple of stat nerds out there would be guys like Billy Beane, BRIAN CASHMAN, theo epstein, Paul Depodesta, JP ricciardi, and an increasing number of successful baseball GMs who understand their value... Just take a look sometime, you'll see what we mean...


Posted by steven-neil on Mar-30-2007 19:57:

OPENING DAY MONDAY,,,,LETS GO YANKEES.....


Posted by EarnYourKeep on Mar-30-2007 19:58:

quote:
Originally posted by steven-neil
OPENING DAY MONDAY,,,,LETS GO YANKEES.....


i got my half season locked up

BLEACHER CREATURES BABY

Section 43 WHATUPS


Posted by yankeeBaby on Mar-30-2007 20:53:

Steven: remember how you wanted me to come kill your wife for being a Boston fan? Well could you return the favor and kill my man for being season tickets to the mets? pfft. What a douchebag.


Posted by Shamez214 on Mar-30-2007 21:07:

Out of nowhere, I got Opening Day tickets for Shea. Awesome.


Posted by steven-neil on Mar-30-2007 21:19:

quote:
Originally posted by yankeeBaby
Steven: remember how you wanted me to come kill your wife for being a Boston fan? Well could you return the favor and kill my man for being season tickets to the mets? pfft. What a douchebag.


Done deal Kelly,,,we need a plan...Maybe you can bring him up to Rhode Island in the summer....I got seven acres of land we can lose them in....


Posted by klnyc on Mar-30-2007 21:25:

quote:
Originally posted by kid nyce
i got my half season locked up

BLEACHER CREATURES BABY

Section 43 WHATUPS



Oh yes!


Posted by jerZ07002 on Mar-30-2007 21:36:

Is pavano still penciled in as the starter??


Posted by steven-neil on Mar-30-2007 22:25:

quote:
Originally posted by jerZ07002
Is pavano still penciled in as the starter??


yes


Posted by EarnYourKeep on Mar-30-2007 22:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Bryan, you getting those season tickets again?


every year


Posted by Vlad on Mar-30-2007 23:04:

quote:
Originally posted by kid nyce
every year



Pencil me in for some games that you have available.


Posted by EarnYourKeep on Apr-02-2007 13:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Pencil me in for some games that you have available.


i'll see what i have available, but to be honest, i usually don't have much available lol unless i know for sure i'm not making the game and thats either due to sketchy weather or work.

i'll keep you posted but it might be week of that i'll need to unload the tix...

today @ 1pm...lets go jenkees!


Posted by chanman7483 on Apr-02-2007 13:27:

Let's hope the weather holds up... I actally think Pavano will do ok, he's looked really good this spring

Can't wait to throw a cold one back at the stadium today, boss let me and my coworkers out early today


Posted by phuzzyfish12 on Apr-02-2007 13:28:

^^^^ What plan do you have? Jay and I have the plan with 12 Saturday games. We are in Tier Reserved, Sec 8 (almost right behind homeplate.) We need to meet up and drink before a game.


Posted by EarnYourKeep on Apr-02-2007 13:43:

quote:
Originally posted by phuzzyfish12
^^^^ What plan do you have? Jay and I have the plan with 12 Saturday games. We are in Tier Reserved, Sec 8 (almost right behind homeplate.) We need to meet up and drink before a game.


i split my season with a lady through work so there isn't really a plan for my seats. i just pick and choose from a list she gives me, but being that i live in the city and im younger then her, i take most of the after work games and a few scattered weekends for my family.


Posted by phuzzyfish12 on Apr-02-2007 14:00:

Let us know if you are going to any of the home Saturday games and we'll meet up and drink


Posted by EarnYourKeep on Apr-02-2007 14:08:

quote:
Originally posted by phuzzyfish12
Let us know if you are going to any of the home Saturday games and we'll meet up and drink


will do, most of my sat games are with the family though so i save the raging beer days for the afterwork crowd lol...then again no alcohol in the bleachers so that sucks lol


Posted by yankeeBaby on Apr-03-2007 02:56:

quote:
Originally posted by steven-neil
Done deal Kelly,,,we need a plan...Maybe you can bring him up to Rhode Island in the summer....I got seven acres of land we can lose them in....


nice. He's a city boy. He would be scared shitless of the nature. and the darkness probably, too.


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