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lol if you think christian girls aren't sluts... damn bro.

they rationalize it by trying to teach you about god at the same time!

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Originally posted by plaxx the religion of peace strikes again.

lol

wait, that hurt my sensibilities

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the women in saudi have a court that punishes them for being raped.

Wrong. The punishment was not for being raped, it was for being in a car with an unrelated man, as per the BBC article. If you read the article, the punishment went from 90 lashes, for violating the segregation laws, to 200 after her appeal was rejected because the judges felt she was using media to manipulate the law, as she caused a firestorm that undermined the laws and religion and the court wanted to set an example that people must face the punishment for wrong doing and no amount of weaseling out of it will help, rape or no rape. That might have been a bit harsh, but if the woman looked like the one posted above, maybe she'd appreciate the extra 110 lashes?

In all seriousness, though, it's obvious to anyone in the world, including the most extreme and backward Muslims that gang rape is a terrible thing, however it does not save you from punishment you deserve. It's certainly not the same degree, but an extreme example to demonstrate this point would be for someone to commit a murder, then get gang raped, but continue to carry out the punishment for the murder, no matter what suffering the murderer faced from the gang rape. In this case, she violated the segregation laws so she was still scheduled to receive her 90 lashes (increased to 200 not because of being raped, but for the media frenzy she caused).

I tried finding the original article from the Arab News, Saudi Arabia's largest English-language daily newspaper (the one I used to read everyday when I was living there) but the damn site takes too long too load: arabnews.com. If you check out the main site page, you'll see several articles showing how women's rights are being expanded daily: "more space for women in the country's second-holiest (the Prophet's) mosque in Madinah" (normally women are not encouraged to pray in mosques to leave more space for men but the tide is changing to allow women who want to worship just as much as men do in mosques, and make more space for them. Seems ridiculous, but 1400 years of rituals and tradition takes time to turn around. For Christians it took over 1920 years.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Wage guerilla warfare against one of the most powerful oil giants in the world? Wage a private revolution against one of the United States' largest oil suppliers?...in the end, they would surely defeat the IDEA of Islamic Law in a society that is inherently religious.

You're mixing issues here (more on that in a bit). Also, you don't know who the real authority is in that country. It's not the religion, it's the royal family. And that is completely changing because of the people movement. All the acts of internal terrorism (including a bomb attack on the compound I used to live in, a few years ago) are directed at the US to leave the country and for the royal family to dismantle the monarchy. That is still a long time away, but there are trends of change.

I think you're mixing issues because on one hand you're talking about oil and "US supplier" which implies that the power is in the hands of whoever controls the oil/economy, but on the other hand your talking about defeating Islamic law. To defeat the law, you have to defeat the existing power, which is the oil/royal family (who owns the oil)/US, which isn't going to happen. I don't think I'm being clear here, but it's 2 am so maybe I'll digest this a bit more and organize my thoughts a little more clearly tomorrow.

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Originally posted by LoveHate Saudi law is NOT Islamic law.

Truth. I will explain this to you later, Halcyon.

I wonder what the man got for being with a women he didn't know? A pat on the back for giving this heathen women a lift keeping her from the streets where she would no doubt prostitute her aids infected unrelated man talking to body?

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Originally posted by Dervish I wonder what the man got for being with a women he didn't know? A pat on the back for giving this heathen women a lift keeping her from the streets where she would no doubt prostitute her aids infected unrelated man talking to body?

Bang on!

Was kinda jokey in the way I said it but seriously do you know what happened to the man?

Here is a nice little overview of the rationale:

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Shi�a and the Shortage of Sheep: More Perspective on Gang-Rape in Saudi Arabia by Faruq �Abd al Haqq The initial BBC coverage of the Saudi court�s recent ruling on gang-rape is more objective than the popular coverage has been. The teen-age victim was not sentenced to lashing for being raped, as seems to be a local custom in Pakistan, but for being alone in a car without a proper mahram (male member of her family). This �crime� is based on the injunction that causing the occasion of sin or even failing to avoid it are equivalent to the sin. Since women, and not men, are occasions of sin, this woman was guilty of adultery even before she was raped by seven other men. The rapists were also punished by this Saudi court, which is an improvement over some equivalent rulings in Pakistan. One could argue that the basic error of the case, however, from the perspective of the popular Wahhabi culture in Saudi Arabia, was the designation of the crime. When I studied in Saudi Arabia twenty years ago, I was told by the other students not to talk to the seven students who were packed into a dormitory room designed for one person. When I asked why, they whispered, �Because they do not have souls.� This intrigued me, because I had never met humanoids without souls. I asked, �Do you mean that they are monkeys, or apes, or baboons, or orangutans that merely look like human beings?� The other students were confused by my question, because apparently they had never thought about it before. Finally they replied with what for them was the simple answer that cut off all questioning: �They are Shi�a!� The judicial error would seem to consist in condemning the Sunni rapists for adultery. In accordance with the irrefutable logic of the �urf or common law in Saudi Arabia, which the enlightened King Abdullah is mightily but perhaps over optimistically attempting to eradicate from the face of the earth, the real crime was not simple adultery but beastiality, having sex with an animal! In self defense, of course, the men might advance the mitigating argument that in a modern petrochemical economy there is now a shortage of sheep.

>www.theamericanmuslim.org<

And also since women aren't allowed(/smart enough supose) to drive they can only travel in a car with a male member of their family I take it?

How shit.

And on a bus I assume some special dispensation against "the words of Allah" is suddenly allowed when practically gets in the way?

I mean for example school buses or does it only apply when girls/women get to a rapeable age?


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Those sinful women trying to seduce us into raping them, praise be to allah that he can be smart enough to tell us to have a male member of their family to keep them in line and stop them from trying to commit adultery on us by making us rape them.

fuck those animals. i'm walking to work from now on!

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Originally posted by Krypton In an anarchist world, Natural Law might be the law of the land. But in a land where a government claims sovereignty and authority over the land and the people, historically, citizens have had to fight for liberal governmental powers. Is that better?

They are fighting because their rights have been infringed upon, not because they are winning them for the first time. Freedom is free. Removing factors that impede freedom may not be.

Do you understand the difference? By stating that freedom is not free, you are suggesting that freedom is an ideal to strive toward and not an innate natural right. If it is not a right, who is to say that we actually deserve our freedom? In fact, who is to say that suppressing freedom is wrong?

If I was a Saudi woman, I would Tootalllllly buy myself a penis.....................and a zebra, funny looking horse's

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Originally posted by glass If I was a Saudi woman, I would Tootalllllly buy myself a penis.....................and a zebra, funny looking horse's

Why not just buy a Zorse instead?

Well, I call them hebra's.......but I don't think I could respect an animal that was a result interspecies relation's.

muslims=****s

Fucked up religion

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Originally posted by Dervish does it only apply when girls/women get to a rapeable age?

Which is...?

Birth!

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Originally posted by aquila Which is...?

no idea hence asking :P

and a big bump to that!!!!


Crazy laws for crazy people.

hijablowjobs!

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Originally posted by camsr muslims actually have a good idea restraining their sexuality. they work harder and don't run around all day chasing pussy.

That's total rubbish.

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Originally posted by ZeJayMan That's total rubbish.

+1..

lol.. well its a generalization.. i know alot of lazy muslims...

I've also met a lot of muslim guys who shag other muslim guys in the ass because they don't get any poon until they are married... Bad times.

From what i've gathered in this thread, this is what would be happening if we were truly free...
http://www.muchosucko.com/show/flas...ed-27181/search

America, FUCK YEAH!

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