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Yeah, but score one for Bloor and Ronces - we got a killer spot with a HUGE deck for summer shenanigans!

Queen W. can kiss my ever so un-trendy ass - it's all about the Junction!

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Originally posted by The Highroller You should see the school I go to in Lyon. The French girls do it up proper every day of the week. Every single hair is in place with perfection, impeccable make-up, classy outfits. They don't mess around. It looks like they get up at 4am to get ready every morning, lol. I don't see anything to hate about girls dressing up like that. I think it's fucking awesome, haha. However, it is hilarious seeing these girls in the gym with their serious hair-dos and their make-up on the treadmill.

Taking pride in your appearance is just fine with me. But, there is a time and a place for certain types of clothing. That is all I am saying. The problem is that, along with the outfit would be the constant fixing and fidgeting in class, to make sure everything was in the right place. Constant make-up checking, hair fixing, shirt re-adjusting. For what? You go to learn, not fix your hair. But, I will concede, York had some of the hottest girls I have ever seen in my life, even to this day. Winter time was always sad because they went into hibernation.

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Originally posted by Harmonika Bike-unfriendly - is it really that hard for City Hall to encourage and endorse bicycle culture in the downtown core?

Huge CON for me. I bike a lot, and the bike routes in the city suck ass. They are so few and far between. Added to that the city is unwilling to spend money to expand, and add new routes. Miller keeps talking about being a green city, but is obviously ignoring a huge opportunity. Fix the smog, traffic, and health problems in one move. Encourage biking in the city, and make it easier for people to do it.

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Originally posted by Orko Taking pride in your appearance is just fine with me. But, there is a time and a place for certain types of clothing. That is all I am saying. The problem is that, along with the outfit would be the constant fixing and fidgeting in class, to make sure everything was in the right place. Constant make-up checking, hair fixing, shirt re-adjusting. For what? You go to learn, not fix your hair. But, I will concede, York had some of the hottest girls I have ever seen in my life, even to this day. Winter time was always sad because they went into hibernation.

lol honestly, did we go to the same York campus? or did things change a lot over time?

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew lol honestly, did we go to the same York campus? or did things change a lot over time?

2002-2005 (quit my program. Lived in Calumet from 2002-2003. Things may have changed with the influx of the double cohort.

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Originally posted by Orko 2002-2005 (quit my program. Lived in Calumet from 2002-2003. Things may have changed with the influx of the double cohort.

I moved in to Calumet in Sep'03
hmmm, maybe you're right about double cohort

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Originally posted by Orko I absolutely hated going to York, where girls would wake up at 5am, for 8am class just to dress as if they were going to the club. When I visited other Universities, Mac, Queens, it was so nice to see people just dressed like they don't give a fuck, because they were just going to learn.

uh dude, these girls will have to dress the fuck up when they'll get their first job, track pants and messed hair will not help them pay the bills.

In france, most schools use the uniforms, students need to look clean and have clean cloth at a very young age, its just normal than when they arrive at university, they are used to being dressed up. Its part of their routine.

Its much harder to get in that routine at an older age.

anyways, there's no excuse for showing up in flip flops and shorts at university, its a lack of respect to the institution.

I definitely agree with that. It's just part of the professionalism one *should* be embracing by going to university.

I remember at buisness school, there was this kid who came everyday at school in a tie+suit. It was crazy, but I get it now, that guy now probably makes more money than me

In my undergrad there were some days that I dressed in sweatpants and sweatshirts. That didn't happen in my grad program. Now that I'm starting law school though I'm going to have to invest in some more professional looking clothes. I'm pretty nervous about it actually b/c I'm a very casual person when it comes to attire.

It reminded me of an episode I saw of "What Not To Wear" (no I don't watch that show regularly). But there was a girl on there about 25. An interior designer, who was much like me in terms of what she wore. She said that she found people didn't take her that seriously at her job and they did a whole makeover of her where she could still keep parts of her style but be more professional. I need their help!

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Originally posted by malek uh dude, these girls will have to dress the fuck up when they'll get their first job, track pants and messed hair will not help them pay the bills.

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Originally posted by Orko Taking pride in your appearance is just fine with me. But, there is a time and a place for certain types of clothing. That is all I am saying.

So you are saying that buy dressing casually for school, you will not know how to dress for work? Sorry that is just not true. I have been jeans and t-shirt kind of guy all my life, but you better believe when I got a job at an accounting firm I put on dress pants, a shirt, and a tie, and now go to interviews in a full suit. It is possible to separate the two. Plus for work you are being PAID to look professional. At school, you are there to learn. It's just about where you put your effort, and for what reasons.

EDIT: if you are spending hours upon hours getting ready for the day, how much energy will you have when the day comes? That time could be used to study, or join groups, or play sports, or or or...

I leave now leave the issue alone, because this is a good thread, and no need for it to get jacked.

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Originally posted by Orko EDIT: if you are spending hours upon hours getting ready for the day, how much energy will you have when the day comes? That time could be used to study, or join groups, or play sports, or or or... I leave now leave the issue alone, because this is a good thread, and no need for it to get jacked.

thats why north americans dress like slobs with this kind of mentality... it doesn't take hours and hours for my wife to get ready for work, she works at a bank with clients btw.

it took me 5 years to really like toronto.

i feel like toronto has this wierd obsession with being on patios in the summer. before i moved here, i never heard people talk about good patios, wanting to be on patios etc with such religious fervor as much as i do here. is this a strange observation?

here are my reasons off the top of my head cos i am too lazy to read this whole thread:

pros:
- entertainment - nightlife, cultural events, art, dance
- shopping
- food
- live music --- if i want to see a band, it's pretty certain that they will tour here at some point
- everything that i need is pretty much within walking distance
- multicultural

cons:
- disgusting humidity and smoggy summers *barf*
- the ttc sucks
- slushy, wet, grey winters
- i find people in general to be quite rude and unfriendly - like i'm talking random strangers. i think toronto has brought out a little of my inner bitch since i moved here.
- v. expensive to travel outside of north america. scratch that, within north america too
- real estate/rent is expensive (ok, compared to other major cities it's not so bad, but i still think it's pretty ridiculous

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Originally posted by malek anyways, there's no excuse for showing up in flip flops and shorts at university, its a lack of respect to the institution.

I think that flip-flops generally do not belong anywhere else except the beach... at least those super-thin ones. I guess I'm conservative in this respect

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Originally posted by kaniz pfft, going to your 8:00am lecture in PJ bottoms and flip flops is the best. Sure, your crazy bed-head hair may be distracting to those behind you, and the stench of your currently unshowered pits may distract those sitting on either side of you, but the comfort factor! just cant be beat.

lol. the wonderful joys of living on campus. "what time did you get up today for 8:30 class", "ummm, 8:25".

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Originally posted by malek In france, most schools use the uniforms, students need to look clean and have clean cloth at a very young age, its just normal than when they arrive at university, they are used to being dressed up. Its part of their routine.

Maybe that's part of why I never understood the slobwear. I went to a private school and had to wear a uniform every day, so for a long time I knew basically nothing about fashion of any kind but at least I understood the importance of looking presentable. So it's funny to me when I hear people say "this isn't high school anymore" because for me, people in university were a lot worse-dressed than they were in high school.

Aside from the track pants and PJs in university, there were also the board shorts, loose tank tops, and my personal anti-favourite, flip-flops. God I fucking hate those, nothing screams trashy more than exposed and often hairy stinkfeet. This isn't the beach, assholes. Seeing these things made me long for the days when "unkempt" meant baggy jeans and an athletic shirt.

Oh and to Orko: My take on it is that if you look good, you feel good. What's the difference between getting yourself together in the morning or before a night of clubbing? It's the same deal, I personally have a lot more energy when I'm confident that I don't look like crap.

People in this country should be teached "decorum 101" at a very young age...

Ok ok , I mean it's one thing wearing 'clothing' and I use the term loosely that looks like I just woke up in PJs and quite another wearing a suit 24/7 and making sure I can see the reflection in my SHOES. Can't there be a middle ground? I think there can.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Maybe that's part of why I never understood the slobwear. I went to a private school and had to wear a uniform every day, so for a long time I knew basically nothing about fashion of any kind but at least I understood the importance of looking presentable. So it's funny to me when I hear people say "this isn't high school anymore" because for me, people in university were a lot worse-dressed than they were in high school. Aside from the track pants and PJs in university, there were also the board shorts, loose tank tops, and my personal anti-favourite, flip-flops. God I fucking hate those, nothing screams trashy more than exposed and often hairy stinkfeet. This isn't the beach, assholes. Seeing these things made me long for the days when "unkempt" meant baggy jeans and an athletic shirt. Oh and to Orko: My take on it is that if you look good, you feel good. What's the difference between getting yourself together in the morning or before a night of clubbing? It's the same deal, I personally have a lot more energy when I'm confident that I don't look like crap.

lol are you kidding me? EVERYBODY wears flip flops in the summer time. Unless I'm going to a club, I wear flip flops for 95% of the summer.

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Originally posted by nadezhda pros: - live music --- if i want to see a band, it's pretty certain that they will tour here at some point cons: - disgusting humidity and smoggy summers *barf* - the ttc sucks - slushy, wet, grey winters - i find people in general to be quite rude and unfriendly - like i'm talking random strangers. i think toronto has brought out a little of my inner bitch since i moved here. - v. expensive to travel outside of north america. scratch that, within north america too - real estate/rent is expensive (ok, compared to other major cities it's not so bad, but i still think it's pretty ridiculous

What do I think is wrong with Toronto right now? ummmm far too much to get into one sentence

I do highly agree with the pro of Live music, the biggest bands love touring here and always put on some of the most memorable shows.

yes I do agree people have become quite rude in this town all of sudden, I don't get why, and it makes me like comming downtown every day less and less.

Looks like people have their ears to the street and finally listening to what most of us already knew for a while. Time to get rid of all the old conservative farts that have made and given this city a bland reputation. One thing is for certain, Toronto has yielded some of the best/finest comedians in Hollywood.

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Comedian (Russell) Peters T.O. tourism ambassador Officials hope hip image, edgy humour will dispel city's stodgy reputation

TORONTO STAR SOURCE

Every city has something wrong with it. Ask anyone who lives in any city, and they will give you a list of what they like and don't like about their city.

That brings me to my next question: Although Toronto is not perfect (nor is any other city), do the city's short-comings bother you to a point where you have a plan to leave the city in the future, or you are entertaining the thought of leaving at some point in the future? Do you see yourself living in the city for the rest of your life?


For me personally, I think Toronto is a great city. As it stands right now, the short-comings are tolerable, and the positives outweigh the negatives. However, the "fun police" are a bit too close to my threshold of tolerance for pointlessly invading my liberties. It is not inconceivable that they could pick up their big-brother policies to a point where I would want to leave. This I would say is my biggest problem with the city.

Other than that, I could see myself raising my kids in Toronto as I think it's a great place to grow up for many reasons. That being said, I was born and raised in Toronto, and have been living in the city for all of my life. Trying life out in a couple of other cities is something I would like to do, but I think in the end, I will always come back to Toronto.

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Originally posted by malek thats why north americans dress like slobs with this kind of mentality... it doesn't take hours and hours for my wife to get ready for work, she works at a bank with clients btw.

haha @ the slobs comment :P
yeah, why do people think that it takes hours and hours to dress up nicely in the morning?

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Originally posted by DigiNut Maybe that's part of why I never understood the slobwear. I went to a private school and had to wear a uniform every day, so for a long time I knew basically nothing about fashion of any kind but at least I understood the importance of looking presentable.

excellent point

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Originally posted by malek I remember at buisness school, there was this kid who came everyday at school in a tie+suit. It was crazy, but I get it now, that guy now probably makes more money than me

lol, I am in undergraduate commerce and I remember the first day of actual commerce class (we start specializing in second year) this one dude showed up in a suit.... he probably expected everyone else to be wearing a suit now that we were officially in 'commerce', funny thing was he showed up like 25 mins late... so he looked like a total idiot, and probably was one too

wearing a suit just because you are in 'business' school (unless its an MBA school) just means that you take yourself way too seriously and probably are very socially awkward

- cons:

Cutting down 19 mature tree's in a park because kids were smoking pot near them

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Originally posted by teufel-man wearing a suit just because you are in 'business' school (unless its an MBA school) just means that you take yourself way too seriously and probably are very socially awkward

actually wearing a suit *every* school day make you look like a dedicated and organized person, who's willing to sacrifice his own comfort for principles. He demonstrates apreciation and respect to the institution of University.

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