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Originally posted by evil_cookie I don't give a flying fuck about peoples opinions�and that is all you have, is a bunch of fucking opinions. My only interest is in mutually consistent, empirical, observed, objective, unbiased, and impartial consensus. You bring up science yet you understand nothing of it.

opinions from the type of people that we would trust on most other issues! Since NASA refuse to comment on their own footage and decline to provide an explanation, shouldn't you be faulting THEM for what you are accusing me of? They are hardly being observant or objective but when I suggest a theory that DOES have an abundance of visual and testimonial evidence that at the very least suggests we should start thinking about this seriously, you post pictures of retards and name call.

It's ridiculous and childish. Why do you fear possibilites and that which we can't seem to explain?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 opinions from the type of people that we would trust on most other issues!

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Listen I have a friend who just graduated Aerospace Engineering at the University of Toronto.

argumentum ad verecundiam

god if I had to identify all the fallacies in this thread...

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 It's ridiculous and childish. Why do you fear possibilites and that which we can't seem to explain?

This is why I can't take you seriously; it�s like talking to a wall. You keep saying the same shit dude. I HAVE NEVER DISMISSED THE POSSIBILITY of intelligent life outside our world. In fact, if you actually read my previous posts, I mentioned that probability would suggest that it�s more likely than not�that there is IL out there.

THE PROBLEM IS: you are so adamant on mixing this possibility with conspiracy theories like: human contact with aliens and government cover-ups etc�In short, you speak as though its more than a likelihood, where in fact, it�s not�if you scrutinize the issue using science in the systematic approach that it is supposed to be used in, you must inevitably YEILD TO A STANCE OF SCEPTICISM.

Please tell me you understand the difference now�I�m not dismissing anything, but you�re arriving at FALSE CONCLUSIONS based on mere ASSUMPTIONS.

More Disclosure from Buzz Aldrin who was the astronaut from Apollo 11 mission.





Here is the famous "UFO out of the blue" docummantry,by far one of the best ones out there.

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This is worse than those 9/11 arguments.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur This is worse than those 9/11 arguments.

Of course it is because 9/11 was an obvious inside job.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 What else could it all be? Nobody ever has an answer, but many are quick to laugh off the thought of other civilisations out there in all of those billions of stars whose end we can't even come close to seeing. We have craft in space already. What might we be able to do in say, 1000 years? Why is it so hilarious to some of you drones?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 There are so many clips out there, too, of military and civilian jets being followed by things that they clearly cannot identify. If it isn't intelligent life tracking our space shuttles and aircraft, then what are they? In some cases, the ONLY logical conclusion is that these are things with some kind of intelligence.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 but I have given samples of evidence here. Footage that you yourself cannot hope to explain, but you are sure to say "THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY THEY'RE ALIENS THOUGH! IT'S INPLAUSIBLE!" Well...the way they move (which is what I had been asking earlier) is what makes them look like CRAFT and since we do not have any craft that are 2 miles long and travel at those speeds, then whose fucking CRAFT are they?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 But that's the thing. I'm wondering why people are so sure and quick to say they aren't alien craft. By looking at that footage, the most plausible explanation to my eyes, and to many others, is that those are craft moving around the lightning storm, the tether and MIR. Nobody has provided a better guess at what they might be, except "ice debris". They are moving at incredible speeds, appearing, disappearing, reappearing and changing directions in ways that our technology could never hope to achieve.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 "Listen, whatever those things are, I can't explain them. We don't have anything that can reach those speeds and maneuvre like that, especially in space. I'm not one to believe in government coverups, but my best guess based on those images are that they are vehicles. We aren't able to construct any vehicles for space flight at anywhere NEAR that size. The cost in fuel alone would be astronomical and there are dozens of them in some of the images. This film leaves me at a loss as to what to say. They aren't ours and now I really want to know who's they are and how they do it. That's my honest answer."

So his answer is, 'i have no clue what they are'. How do you not see that? He does not say they are aliens, he just does not know what they are.

The exact same argument the entire thread. 'These things cannot be explained, so it is aliens'. That is not how proof works, and that is not how science works. Proof is not a lack of evidence to the contrary.

Please read what you write, and think about what you are asking of us. You are asking us to believe in the absence of proof.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 you see this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. You'll never be sold because it doesn't matter how many experts, ex pilots, scientists or whatever come forward or give their opinions, people like you then become the ones with "tin foil" on your head. Do you know anything about Aerospace Engineering? Hmm...I didn't thik so. Since when is EVERYONE that has any kind of opinion on this matter so full of shit or crazy?

People saying something is not proof. Since when is an engineer the only person allowed to make a point on this topic? NASA gets shit wrong all the time, their engineers included. Read this: top 9 NASA mistakes in 50 years

For fuck sakes, they used the wrong units for measurements, installed parts backwards. The list goes on and on.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 ANd what about the electric car? That was one of the biggest shutdowns and coverups in the history of the world and it only happened about 15 years ago! What of all the lies about WMDs in Iraq?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I recently discovered that Jimmy Carter saw a UFO in the early 70s and is the reason why he wanted to declassify everything. Hmm...that man became President. Was he a looney too?

So you can trust one president, but not the next? Then what does the fact that he is president have to do with anything? You tried to say that you can trust Carter because he became president. But then you say that the Bush administration, including Bush lied about WMD's. You cannot have it both ways. You are contradicting yourself here.

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Originally posted by Orko So his answer is, 'i have no clue what they are'. How do you not see that? He does not say they are aliens, he just does not know what they are. The exact same argument the entire thread. 'These things cannot be explained, so it is aliens'. That is not how proof works, and that is not how science works. Proof is not a lack of evidence to the contrary. Please read what you write, and think about what you are asking of us. You are asking us to believe in the absence of proof.

I have only asked people to consider the issue more seriously than is being demonstrated here on this board. I have my own opinions (and I have never said the governments ARE covering shit up...but it is a very likely scenario since they cover up a lot of things. Again, why is it so hard for people to believe that governments lie? They lie every day and about anything and everything)

By the way, by saying "they aren't ours", my friend did not mean that they weren't Canadian or American craft. He meant they were not HUMAN craft. This guy is learning how to design engine systems for space flight and he adamantly believes those are vehicles of some kind but also is wise enough to know that we DO NOT possess technology at that level. So what else is he saying?

And he is just yet another example. I took introductory physics at Western in first year and the professor there (Dr. Patrick Watson...two PhDs, one in conceptual physics and the physics of space) seemed convinced that UFOs exist and that the technology level that can be discerned by watching the available footage is beyond our means. That was back in 2002. I wonder what he has to say now.

If nobody will give accomplished academics, pilots, former government employees privy to sensitive issues the time of day, how do you expect any "empirical and rational" evidence to be carried out? Since when has first hand, eye witness testimony been so doubted? It is an accepted form of education, communication and historical research but yet it doesn't apply at all in this case. They must all be CRAZY or ATTENTION LOVING LOONIES!

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Originally posted by Orko So you can trust one president, but not the next? Then what does the fact that he is president have to do with anything? You tried to say that you can trust Carter because he became president. But then you say that the Bush administration, including Bush lied about WMD's. You cannot have it both ways. You are contradicting yourself here.

But the Bush administration did lie about WMDs. Everyone knows that. What did Jimmy Carter lie about. He had some kind of personal UFO experience and tried to get at what the US government has on file and was rebuffed. Clinton got the same treatment about 20 years later.

Not all governments lie to the degree that others do. And Jimmy Carter was ten times the President that either Bush was.

Maybe I'm too curious for my own good? Maybe, but I'd rather go investigate the smoke that causes the fire, rather than ignore it and die in a burning house, if you get my meaning.

To sum this thread up:

No matter what you say...it could be:
"I don't believe in aliens"
"Those unexplained objects COULD be aliens, but they could be something else, I just can't explain"
"Those objects could only be the work of God"

or any other wide variety of replies.

UNLESS you are stating that those objects are in fact aliens b/c they can't be explained otherwise and authoritative, credible people say they are, Smitty will say you are being childish, naive, ignorant and stupid for not believing they are definitely aliens.

/end thread

There's no point arguing with a brick wall.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I have only asked people to consider the issue more seriously than is being demonstrated here on this board. I have my own opinions (and I have never said the governments ARE covering shit up...but it is a very likely scenario since they cover up a lot of things. Again, why is it so hard for people to believe that governments lie? They lie every day and about anything and everything) By the way, by saying "they aren't ours", my friend did not mean that they weren't Canadian or American craft. He meant they were not HUMAN craft. This guy is learning how to design engine systems for space flight and he adamantly believes those are vehicles of some kind but also is wise enough to know that we DO NOT possess technology at that level. So what else is he saying? And he is just yet another example. I took introductory physics at Western in first year and the professor there (Dr. Patrick Watson...two PhDs, one in conceptual physics and the physics of space) seemed convinced that UFOs exist and that the technology level that can be discerned by watching the available footage is beyond our means. That was back in 2002. I wonder what he has to say now. If nobody will give accomplished academics, pilots, former government employees privy to sensitive issues the time of day, how do you expect any "empirical and rational" evidence to be carried out? Since when has first hand, eye witness testimony been so doubted? It is an accepted form of education, communication and historical research but yet it doesn't apply at all in this case. They must all be CRAZY or ATTENTION LOVING LOONIES!

You sound like a CDJ, with its Loop fucntion turned on.

Actually, Lisa, where have I said any of that?

All I have done here is try to stimulate some discussion on this issue. I have my own opinions and am inclined to believe in SOME of the alien theories more than some on here, but I am not the one posting pictures of retards with tin foil on their head or calling people idiots and nitwits for simply suggesting we start considering an issue more closely BASED on the numerous pieces of footage and testimony I have posted on here in a serious attempt.

What do I get? Clearly biased cynicism and name calling. Cheers for TOTA.

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Originally posted by spolitta You sound like a CDJ, with its Loop fucntion turned on.

and so does everyone else who rattles on about "well it might be something else, who knows, who cares, we should only care about partying and who spins next at the Guv!"

I suppose the argument has reached its end. Nobody here is really responding or trying to have an open mind here. I could suggest that you watch that Out of the Blue video (so many more people coming forward from all over the world), but what point is there?

I will not discuss this matter any further until people watch the Out of the Blue documentary. You want more evidence? Watch it and get back to us.

All of what I've been talking about in this thread is summarised, evidenced (at least a good attempt) and added upon here.

But I guess this can't be taken seriously as a documentary because it's about UFOs and ETs right? It should only be on late at night on the Space channel!

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Actually, Lisa, where have I said any of that? All I have done here is try to stimulate some discussion on this issue. I have my own opinions and am inclined to believe in SOME of the alien theories more than some on here, but I am not the one posting pictures of retards with tin foil on their head or calling people idiots and nitwits for simply suggesting we start considering an issue more closely BASED on the numerous pieces of footage and testimony I have posted on here in a serious attempt. What do I get? Clearly biased cynicism and name calling. Cheers for TOTA.

Are you frickin' kidding me? Do you want me to quote every single time YOU have also called people ignorant and naive for thinking aliens are silly, or not believe you're ideas? Ya you got called names when you were feuding with Digi....but on a number of occasions you called people names who said nothing insulting to you, except for disagreeing with your beliefs.

And I highly doubt I'm the only one in this thread that believes that if someone posts that those objects COULD be aliens but they also COULD be something else that you're going to go on about how the only explanation is that they're aliens. I know this b/c as I've been reading, I'm not the only that has pointed this out.

If I really cared, I would go through and show the quotes, but just as you leave people to do their own research to prove your points, I'll let you do your own research to prove mine.

I'm with Digi on this one. This thread is 5 pages of redundant arguments, so peace out.

oi!

But I do think people ARE silly for refusing to CONSIDER this issue based on the evidence that is available. That's one of my main points. I'm not asking people to believe ME personally, but what I am asking is that they think about this seriously and as objectively as possible, again based on the things that we can see with our own eyes. Yes of course they could be other possibilites other than aliens (I honestly don't see what though...any ideas? lol), but the issue doesn't seem to be even be taken seriously by half the people here.

This SHOULD be a serious issue and we SHOULD be looking into openly and without any censorship. BUt nobody has really responded to that either. The disinterest is what's got me a little ticked here.

But anyway, watch that documentary if you want to keep talking here. As I said, everything I've brought up is in there and evidenced very well in my opinion.

you're peacing out? Ok, but the video should spark discussion. It is 90 minutes though so...bah.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I suppose the argument has reached its end. Nobody here is really responding or trying to have an open mind here. I could suggest that you watch that Out of the Blue video (so many more people coming forward from all over the world), but what point is there?

I actually have watched it and liked it a lot. It's not that we don't want to believe in extraterrestrial life, UFOs and such topics. But you have to realize that there is a very mysterious universe out there with endless possibilities, and with the very little we know about it you are just drawing your own conclusion, which doesn't make you look open minded at all.

I'm out too, end of the thread.

holy fuck the Red Sox traded Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers and got Jason Bay (canadian) from The Pirates in a three player trade! Wow.

oh and in the video, they have declassified correspondence from an official US Air Force Department letter from the 1970s that basically says that the "existence or nonexistence of extraterrestial life is properly classified by EXECUTIVE order and exempt from the Freedom of Information Act because it would reveal matters of self defence or lack thereof." That's an officially declassified government document issued in the 1970s after nearly twenty nuclear missles were apparently disabled by UFOs.

Around the 39th minute, Ronald Reagan is shown to have addressed the United States people about the possibility of alien invasion or threats and how the people of Earth would respond. He also repeated these statements about an alien threat and war to the UNITED NATIONS! It's right there...that's actual footage of Ronald Reagan talking about FUCKING ALIENS to the PEOPLE OF THE WORLD!

More evidence that, I'm sure, will be scoffed at. Give it a look people, if you're still curious.

Hey some of you Russian guys in here that were calling me names and such. Watch the part about the Russian UFO experience and listen to what the Russian pilots have to say. This isn't just an American experience, as clearly shown in this documentary.

Anyway I'm done posting now....please have a look and come back at me with serious comments about the film.

lol

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Originally posted by spolitta lol

can you tell me why Ronald Reagan talked about aliens to the United Nations on five different occasions?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 can you tell me why Ronald Reagan talked about aliens to the United Nations on five different occasions?

No I can not, can you?

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Originally posted by spolitta No I can not, can you?

no, but it makes me fucking think though...makes me think really fucking hard.

I bet 90% of you people have never even given this issue SERIOUS thought before or have seen the kind of documentary like this. And I doubt you'll give it a chance either.

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