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Originally posted by Intangible wtf... I dont even know where to begin with this Something is wrong with our system...

Huh? The guy is clearly mentally fucked. He was being treated for schizophrenia years before the murder. This was absolutely the right decision given the clear evidence of his mental capacity.

I can't imagine what Mr McLean went through (the part about the eyes and heart being eaten is ) however, imagine being afraid of your own mind? This guy had no perception of reality or what he was doing.

Now that I have a better understanding of the criminal justice system. I think that this is a completely fair ruling. If he's put into a prison w/this disease, there's no telling what he could do there, which would be a threat to the inmates and correctional officers. Whereas at a mental institution, they are professionals who know how to deal with, and protect against patients like him.

Judging by the extremity of his actions, I'm guessing his disease is quite severe, and although he will be up for review, I highly doubt that the board will ever deem him suitable to be put back into society.

One thing I don't like however, is the fact that he won't have a criminal record.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Now that I have a better understanding of the criminal justice system[,] I think that this is a completely fair ruling.

+1.

I suspect that the vast majority of those who claim

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Originally posted by Intangible Something is wrong with our [justice] system...

have very little knowledge of the relevant legal issues at play.

What bothers me is not the ruling... but the fact that people in Canada that are THAT mentally unstable are able to live in society without proper treatment.

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Originally posted by Intangible What bothers me is not the ruling... but the fact that people in Canada that are THAT mentally unstable are able to live in society without proper treatment.

What do you mean? He's going to be in a secure mental institution/hospital for a very very long time and will not be released into society until he is able to or is cured of his mental illness.

I think it's a fair ruling - he's one fucked up psycho and deserves to be in a hospital to get treated, not in a jail where he will continue to be psychotic possibly killing an inmate or worse when his time comes he will kill someone else in society.

Justice system worked well in this trial.

Ya i saw this one coming...

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze What do you mean? He's going to be in a secure mental institution/hospital for a very very long time and will not be released into society until he is able to or is cured of his mental illness.

I don't mean post trial... I mean pre-trial.

For me it's scary that people are out there that mentally unstable.

By system I think I meant maybe social system or something... That there needs to be more funding to help people like this and treat them BEFORE they kill someone.

I'm happy is getting the treatment now and I do think this was the proper verdict.. but a life has been lost. Obviously his schizophrenia was pretty severe and I would think (but I honestly know very little about schizophrenia) that it could have been detected and treated before this happened.

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Originally posted by spolitta In his list of general interests he wrote Dying. WTF!

this is fucked

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Originally posted by Intangible Obviously his schizophrenia was pretty severe and I would think (but I honestly know very little about schizophrenia) that it could have been detected and treated before this happened.

It was... he was hospitalized in Toronto when he was found walking down the 427 trying to get to Winnipeg (because God told him to go home). After being ordered into custody for a 14 day assessment (to determine if he should be involuntarily committed) he walked out of the hospital and made his way back to Winnipeg.

I find the ruling fair, but what really angers me is how he was able to roam about freely and not been institutionalized if he had already been deemed insane before?! He should have been forcibly committed when in Toronto. All of this could have been prevented.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard It was... he was hospitalized in Toronto when he was found walking down the 427 trying to get to Winnipeg (because God told him to go home). After being ordered into custody for a 14 day assessment (to determine if he should be involuntarily committed) he walked out of the hospital and made his way back to Winnipeg.

And this is what's wrong with the Canadian system but it is nothing to do with the judicial system and everything to do with the mental health act here in so much as patients cannot be 'sectioned'. If we were in the UK, he would be sectioned and in a mental care facility following his 427 stunt. This means he would be held against his will under the recommendation of a psychiatrist - the circumstances of a section are that you are a danger to yourself or others.

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Originally posted by Cribby I find the ruling fair, but what really angers me is how he was able to roam about freely and not been institutionalized if he had already been deemed insane before?! He should have been forcibly committed when in Toronto. All of this could have been prevented.

Had he stuck around 4 more days (he was on day 10 of the 14 day evaluation) he would have been forcefully committed... the problem is that during the 14 days the hospital cannot detain him unless they have been given a custodial order from the courts... which they did not have.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Had he stuck around 4 more days (he was on day 10 of the 14 day evaluation) he would have been forcefully committed... the problem is that during the 14 days the hospital cannot detain him unless they have been given a custodial order from the courts... which they did not have.

And that is what I mean by a section!

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Originally posted by English Rachel And that is what I mean by a section!

The option is there though... had the court ordered Li into custody for the 14 day evaluation then he would not have been able to leave.

I swear to god heads will roll!!!!

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard The option is there though... had the court ordered Li into custody for the 14 day evaluation then he would not have been able to leave.

But the option is only there through a court, not just a psychiatic evaluation....

In the UK, a psychiatrist can section you after one single evaluation if he/she deems you to be a threat to your own or someone elses life.

In this case, walking down the 427 because God told you to go home would DEFINITELY have resulted in a section.

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Originally posted by duplo I swear to god heads will roll!!!!

They already started to roll 3 weeks ago... beginning with the man in Buffalo who started a peaceful TV station to improve the image of Muslim Americans after Sept. 11, and then beheaded his wife.

http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/587925

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Originally posted by duplo I swear to god heads will roll!!!!

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. This is the type of case where the judge has to keep a level head and cut out all the rhetoric from the law and order crowd in order to do what's in everyone's best interest. Just cutting this man off from the world in prison for a specified period of time with no rehab would surely result in some further offenses in prison and once released. By ruling him NCR he will be in a mental institution until he has his head straight or until he dies... less chance of further danger to society.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie They already started to roll 3 weeks ago... beginning with the man in Buffalo who started a peaceful TV station to improve the image of Muslim Americans after Sept. 11, and then beheaded his wife. http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/587925

yeah but she deserved it... I mean, look; you can see her hair... IN PUBLIC! What a whore!

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Originally posted by English Rachel In the UK, a psychiatrist can section you after one single evaluation if he/she deems you to be a threat to your own or someone elses life.

That's too much power for a psychiatrist imo. I'm glad that is not the case here in Canada.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie They already started to roll 3 weeks ago... beginning with the man in Buffalo who started a peaceful TV station to improve the image of Muslim Americans after Sept. 11, and then beheaded his wife. http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/587925

that's fucked up

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard yeah but she deserved it... I mean, look; you can see her hair... IN PUBLIC! What a whore!

Oh come on! Don't you think that's kinda extreme? Acid on her face would habe been more humane ffs.

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Originally posted by Orko That's too much power for a psychiatrist imo. I'm glad that is not the case here in Canada.

A section can last a week, a month, a year and is evaluated every week.

That's not too much power - that stops crazy ******s beheading people on buses.

What I find problematic about this ruling is that the jails are FULL of people with mental problems for petty crimes. If that's the case, let them all out.

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Originally posted by English Rachel That's not too much power - that stops crazy ******s beheading people on buses.

Another thing that stops crazy ******s beheading people on buses is 1 out of every 5 people packing heat.

I'm just sayin'.

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