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I love Techno but can't stand minimal for more that an hour or so.

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Originally posted by Nocturnal_66 I love Techno but can't stand minimal for more that an hour or so.

lol that was my almost -exact- option back in 04.

i liked techno tracks, just not techno sets (ie. techno for long continuous periods of time)


oh how far ive converted!

The techno crowd in T.O. is well catered to; but the issue currently is that the same DJ's are coming back over and over again (a la Liebing, Beyer, Carola). Not necessarily a bad thing, but not exactly nuturing the scene to have some variety - and thus limiting it from staying "fresh". It's not that techno DJ's are all playing the "minimal" sound, but most of the ones who've played sets in Toronto over the last 18-24 months spin similar styles.

The same thing happened to trance in Toronto (starting mid 2006 into 2007), and because of this now the top trance DJ's in the world don't illicit much excitement when they come to T.O. anymore. The promoters essentially chipped away at the base of mostly fickle fans. This could easily happen to techno.
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Mills, Clarke, Rachmad, Marco Bailey, DJ Murphy, and Jay Denham get my votes too for long overdue T.O. appearances. And send the scene back underground. When threads like this one start popping up, you know techno is getting to much daylight!!

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Originally posted by Tunnel Rat Mills, Clarke, Rachmad, Marco Bailey, DJ Murphy, and Jay Denham get my votes too for long overdue T.O. appearances. And send the scene back underground. When threads like this one start popping up, you know techno is getting to much daylight!!

In Toronto you're not going to get regular, solid attendance at underground parties with smaller promotion budgets for techno DJs that are not as well known or don't play a popular sound. It's a trade off - you want a big techno party, you're going to have to hear a name that's been here a few times because they draw a crowd. And if you want something underground with a "fresh" name, you're going to have to risk paying for a party that ends up being sparsely attended with little vibe.

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Originally posted by Skipper In Toronto you're not going to get regular, solid attendance at underground parties with smaller promotion budgets for techno DJs that are not as well known or don't play a popular sound. It's a trade off - you want a big techno party, you're going to have to hear a name that's been here a few times because they draw a crowd. And if you want something underground with a "fresh" name, you're going to have to risk paying for a party that ends up being sparsely attended with little vibe.

And when was last time Toronto had a massive techno event... (05? When Tiesto was at Docks?)

Something with mix of familiar techno DJs with some who haven't been to Toronto would be sweet...

One can only dream

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Originally posted by Tunnel Rat The same thing happened to trance in Toronto (starting mid 2006 into 2007), and because of this now the top trance DJ's in the world don't illicit much excitement when they come to T.O. anymore. The promoters essentially chipped away at the base of mostly fickle fans. This could easily happen to techno. ============================

so true.

I couldn't care less about decadence and labour of love.

same thing alllllll the time.

I don't think there is too much techno in Toronto but I do agree that we need fresh talent here

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Originally posted by Skipper In Toronto you're not going to get regular, solid attendance at underground parties with smaller promotion budgets for techno DJs that are not as well known or don't play a popular sound. It's a trade off - you want a big techno party, you're going to have to hear a name that's been here a few times because they draw a crowd. And if you want something underground with a "fresh" name, you're going to have to risk paying for a party that ends up being sparsely attended with little vibe.

You make it out to be like these are the only two options.

Speaking of techno...

14 Septembre 2008
Paul Kalkbrenner (DE) - Martin Buttrich (DE) - Tony Rohr (US) - Bender (CA) - OSG (CA)

Go Mtl? lol

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Originally posted by Yohan Speaking of techno... 14 Septembre 2008 Paul Kalkbrenner (DE) - Martin Buttrich (DE) - Tony Rohr (US) - Bender (CA) - OSG (CA) Go Mtl? lol

It's a Toronto crew that booked this (Platform)

There would be a larger variety of techno acts in toronto if the venue wasn't such an issue most of the time...

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Originally posted by knacker It's a Toronto crew that booked this (Platform) There would be a larger variety of techno acts in toronto if the venue wasn't such an issue most of the time...

Interesting....

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Originally posted by PivotTechno You make it out to be like these are the only two options.

Yes, that was the point of my post.

Re: Re: Too Much Techno, Tech House and Minimal?

interesting comments.

i would say there generally there is a dirth of somewhat cookie cutter tech house out there, and to be honest, its really easy to spin "adequately" with that kind of stuff.

the problem is that a lot of djs don't take risks, musically or really technically, and with techy shit, that can often equate to boring as all hell. take more riks, try pulling off something totally unexpected... but that would require imagination and skills to pull it off.

i like all kinds of music and try to get out to as many diff kinds of musical events as i can, because its important to me to get a feel for what's going on, musically, in all genres. in a way, this sort of narrow-minded musicality is a symptom of the fracturing of music period. i mean, back when, and still so today in some places, and with some djs, you'd hear a mix of everything from one dj. rarely does that happen now, and why?

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Originally posted by musicsnob_NOT I need my Farina, Heather or Carter fix since I've missed them the last few times they have been here since I was travelling. Derrick Carter is in Montreal labour day weekend (someone bring him back).

fyi - farina's here sept 9(yes a tuesday)at century room... not sure how that's really gonna go, as its an odd location, time, and its during film fest, so who knows how that'll roll.

heather is here oct 4(at footwork).

the fact that both these djs are from chicago(originally) brings up another intersting point. i find it really weird that these days so many people associate "chicago" house with funky house. It has never, ever been like that in chicago. Chicago "house" has always been about embracing everything - techno, house, whatever. guess its part of that fracturing thing, at least from some peoples' understanding of things.

anyway i say more variety - there's a lot of good techno tunes, house tunes, dubstep, whatever. so many in fact, that it should be no problem stringing together a dope set of that kind of thing. we need more of that.

Pardon my ignorance but in my world chicago house has always been Funky, groovy, vocal house...if you look at how and when chicago house originated..there was nothing techy, trancy, minimal about it..

Mark Farina has always played a groovy and funky house set...at least the 8 times I have seen him. the same goes for.....Larry Heard..Marshall Jefferson...DJ Sneak..Derrick Carter...Frankie Knuckles....etc..etc..

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Originally posted by Skipper In Toronto you're not going to get regular, solid attendance at underground parties with smaller promotion budgets for techno DJs that are not as well known or don't play a popular sound. It's a trade off - you want a big techno party, you're going to have to hear a name that's been here a few times because they draw a crowd. And if you want something underground with a "fresh" name, you're going to have to risk paying for a party that ends up being sparsely attended with little vibe.

This really goes for every type/genre of electronic music not just techno. Most ppl only go to see the names they know & trust.

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Originally posted by junkie_vince This really goes for every type/genre of electronic music not just techno. Most ppl only go to see the names they know & trust.

Which begs the question, how do people go out and look for new DJs to listen to and see?

Promo sets? Friends?

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Originally posted by Yohan Which begs the question, how do people go out and look for new DJs to listen to and see? Promo sets? Friends?

Roll Calls / Event threads. I just look at which DJs generate excitement in the sound that I'm interested in.

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Originally posted by Yohan Which begs the question, how do people go out and look for new DJs to listen to and see? Promo sets? Friends?

- Check out recorded DJ sets on various forums (here, tribe, mnml.nl, livesets)
- Look at new releases on various websites (decks.de, beatport, boomkat, other forums)
- Friends recommendations
- Looking at track listings from sets and picking it apart to find new artists that catch my interest
- Seeing what other DJs/producers are associated with labels that have other DJs that I know/like on it
- Checking out the upcoming events forum and looking into artists that are coming to town that I've never heard of before
- Generally having an active interest in music instead of simply 'going with whats given to me'
- General willingness to check out stuff that is 'new to me' and not only going to stuff where I know who is playing or what to expect

In reference to this being in Toronto, maybe it is a combination of going out too much, with too many of the same DJ's playing different venues. I agree, understand and respect that there is a lot of talent in TO, but it seems like we see the same names everywhere. No matter how good the DJ is, if it is the same people, you will hear the same sound.

As for my personal tastes, I am just happy the electro phase is over. The techno phase as re-inspired my love for EDM, and allowed me to branch out *a bit*, and allowed me to extend my passion. I was getting a bit bored with electronic for the last few years, but I find myself back on the wagon.

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Originally posted by gummybear Pardon my ignorance but in my world chicago house has always been Funky, groovy, vocal house...if you look at how and when chicago house originated..there was nothing techy, trancy, minimal about it.. Mark Farina has always played a groovy and funky house set...at least the 8 times I have seen him. the same goes for.....Larry Heard..Marshall Jefferson...DJ Sneak..Derrick Carter...Frankie Knuckles....etc..etc..

ha ha - ok consider yourself pardoned - forgive the history lesson, but its required to understand house and techno:

as you know, chicago is where house started, and from the beginning it never referred to a type of music at all, but rather a vibe, and also a place where you could hear this music - The Warehouse. Knuckles played everything and anything there, including just bizarre sound effects records.

Between him and Ron Hardy was where house music was born. Hardy played everything very very fast - usually +8 on the table - and always opened with "welcome to the pleasure dome", which if you know it, you'll know its techno as much as anything. mostly he played euro stuff and would go to the trouble of playing an 808 drum machine under it just to bang it out harder.

on wbmx, you'd have hot mix shows that would literally have every kind of music on it - live mixes from great chicago djs.... oh, and the star mixer on that show was jeff mills.

techno owes pretty much its entire existence to 'chicago' house because juan atkins, derrick may, and saunderson, would literally drive every weekend from detroit to chicago to hear hardy play. after a while of this, they'd make some tunes, and give them to hardy to play, to see how they went down. so if hardy was playing house, he was playing techno, because he was constantly playing their tunes.

look at the release on the pioneering Trax label. half of them are called techno, tho the distinction is really irrelevant.

well all that was the first wave of house, the second coming with derrick carter and green velvet. derrick would go to hear ron hardy too, and would take away what he learned there to go make his own tunes. the second coming of chicago house was kick started through green velvet's Relief records, where many of those tracks you're referring to(sneak, etc.) were released. but, that label too is mostly techno.

part of the charm of chicago djs is that the real ones WILL play anything. disco, folk, prince, u2, whatever - i've heard derrick just stop playing house and drop an hour of hip hop, mark too, many times. if you're heard derrick spin recently, you'll know he can get very techy, but also deep. that's what's good about it.

farina has carved out his own niche, as he lives on the west coast, where its more natural to embody a lighter, jazzier take on things, but he'll play weird, unexpected stuff too.

the great thing about chicago house is that you should expect the unexpected.

come on by to the heather party and you'll hear what i mean.

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i guess what i'm sayin is the average party goer equates a certain sound with certain dj's...it's just the way it is..


i totally agree with you about DM...i've seen him spin the last three times he was in toronto..at 99 sudbury he mixed that shit up..out of this world..disco, house, techno..tribal..he even had some trancy tunes up in there..but he is Derek fuckin May!..he is technically perfect and can spin a set comprised of those genres and make it flow line no other..and it was 99 sudbury..a seasoned crowd IMO that can appreciate what he was doin....then again, the last time he played at footwork..yes, i was lookin forward to the same type of set but he kept it very minimal...and i was super disappointed... possibly cuz he knew what type of crowd he was playin for...

so, i now totally understand ur concept of dj's taking risks..it can pay off....but not everyone dj can be like the man Derek May

That night at Sud'99 kicked ass - feels like we haven't hard a party like that in ages.

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Originally posted by gummybear i guess what i'm sayin is the average party goer equates a certain sound with certain dj's...it's just the way it is.. i totally agree with you about DM...i've seen him spin the last three times he was in toronto..at 99 sudbury he mixed that shit up..out of this world..disco, house, techno..tribal..he even had some trancy tunes up in there..but he is Derek fuckin May!..he is technically perfect and can spin a set comprised of those genres and make it flow line no other..and it was 99 sudbury..a seasoned crowd IMO that can appreciate what he was doin....then again, the last time he played at footwork..yes, i was lookin forward to the same type of set but he kept it very minimal...and i was super disappointed... possibly cuz he knew what type of crowd he was playin for... so, i now totally understand ur concept of dj's taking risks..it can pay off....but not everyone dj can be like the man Derek May

nope nope agreed, to pull that off you really have to know your records and be able to program things thinking 4 or 5 tunes ahead constantly, and of course actually be able to mix it mechanically speaking. and keep an open mind.

nowadays i guess things are a lot more segmented and people do indeed think in narrower terms, esp. when it comes to electronic music.

anyway tho come to the heather party - nick holder's opening, and he's made every kind of house under the sun along with really good hip hop. i'm on after him(before heather) and i guarantee you i'll play some hip hop and whatever else comes to mind. should be a good night, musically.

You'll play hip hop???

How do I get on the list???????

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Originally posted by VDub You'll play hip hop??? How do I get on the list???????

i'm first!

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