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for the first time ever i think i'll pass on the debate... i can't even grasp the fact that they let in the Greens, as if it wasn't crowded enough in there...

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Originally posted by malek for the first time ever i think i'll pass on the debate... i can't even grasp the fact that they let in the Greens, as if it wasn't crowded enough in there...

Well, the Greens have been getting enough votes and a good percentage.

More I think about May, more she turns out to be something like Olivia Chow and is some sort of demagogue but we'll see. She'll either score some points, or do so bad.

Dion is going to look like a total buffon.

I want someone to ask question about environment. Will be funny watching 3 of the leaders say same thing using different words

oh man, Dion was on Canada AM this morning. What a boob.

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Originally posted by malek Current Prediction Pr�vision Courante: Changed/Les pr�visions ont chang�s: 27/09/2008 Conservatives Conservateurs 118 Liberal Party Party lib�ral 72 N.D.P. N.P.D. 22 Bloc Qu�b�cois 29 X Other Autres 2 Too Close 65 Total 308 http://www.electionprediction.org/2007_fed/index.php

So, if you exclude the 65 that are too close to call you end up with essentially the same house that we have now

Conservatives 118 = 48%, seats at disolution 127 = 41%
Liberal Party 72 = 29%, seats at disolution 95 = 30%
N.D.P. 22 = 9 %, seats at disolution 30 = 9%
Bloc Qu�b�cois 29 = 11%, seats at disolution 48 = 15%
Other 2 = .8%, seats at disolution 3 = .8%

Well worth a couple hundred million dollars.

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Originally posted by Skipper I guess it's more the fact that he hasn't explicitly stated in this campaign what his views on it are. Just last month Dion publicly asked him to declare his stance on abortion but he actually hasn't done so since 2006. And while I don't think his views have changed materially, at that time he was likely expecting to win a minority government. Now we're looking at a majority and I want to be sure he commits again to not reopening the debate.

Here you go Skipper:

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OTTAWA � Stephen Harper used some of his most specific language to date Monday in saying a re-elected Conservative government would not reopen the debate over the country's abortion law because there are too many other important issues to deal with. �We have a lot of challenges in front of the country,� Mr. Harper said during an announcement about arts and fitness funding for children. �We have a difficult world economy, as we all know. That has to be the focus of the government and I simply have no intention of ever making the abortion question a focus of my political career.� Mr. Harper said that while some members of his caucus, as well as some Liberals, would like him to make abortion a priority, �I have not done that in my entire political career. Don't intend to start now.�

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...lxnabortion0929

^^ I just came in here to post that.
Nice that they added that party members will be instructed to not support private member bills.

get ready for the inevitable "the Liberals are desperate!" retorts, instead of *actually* replying to the charge...

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Originally posted by malek by the way some predictions: Current Prediction Pr�vision Courante: Changed/Les pr�visions ont chang�s: 27/09/2008 Conservatives Conservateurs 118 Liberal Party Party lib�ral 72 N.D.P. N.P.D. 22 Bloc Qu�b�cois 29 X Other Autres 2 Too Close 65 Total 308 http://www.electionprediction.org/2007_fed/index.php

Current Prediction
Pr�vision Courante:
Changed/Les pr�visions ont chang�s: 3:33 PM 30/09/2008

Conservatives
Conservateurs 117

Liberal Party
Party lib�ral 73

N.D.P.
N.P.D. 23

Bloc Qu�b�cois 37

X Other

Autres 2

Too Close 56

Total 308

Elisabeth May is doing quite well for herself.....If Dion could speak english I think he would come across much better....Layton has balls....and Harper is saying basically nothing....although he does have four party leaders raping him.

I'm pretty sure I know how I'm voting so I've been watching the US VP debate.

Also, I can't listen to Dion attempt to speak english. It's so bad.

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Originally posted by Skipper I'm pretty sure I know how I'm voting so I've been watching the US VP debate. Also, I can't listen to Dion attempt to speak english. It's so bad.

That's his biggest downfall...his english makes him very difficult to listen to...but that definately doesn't make a difference in how I would vote.

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Originally posted by Skipper I'm pretty sure I know how I'm voting so I've been watching the US VP debate. Also, I can't listen to Dion attempt to speak english. It's so bad.

Agreed on both points.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced That's his biggest downfall...his english makes him very difficult to listen to...but that definately doesn't make a difference in how I would vote.

It affects how I vote.
I don't think he has the ability to represent our country. He's a weak speaker and he's meek. Comes off as an academic but not a politician. He strikes me as always being forced to crack a smile - that he wouldn't interact with other leaders well.

Jack Layton drives me crazy. He spews off populist BS like no tomorrow, most of what he says about economics makes absolutely no sense, all he does is criticize Harper (sometimes in quite a rude, unprofessional way too), and he has a horrible mustache.

He needs to GTFO. How has he been around for so long?!

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced IF Dion could speak english I think he would come across much better....

agreed. Although i've also heard him debate in french and have come to the conclusion that he simply isn't an eloquent public speaker in general. Despite this, I do think he is a compassionate and intelligent politician...

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Originally posted by 1dawoman agreed. Although i've also heard him debate in french and have come to the conclusion that he simply isn't an eloquent public speaker in general. Despite this, I do think he is a compassionate and intelligent politician...

I definately can se he is very passionate about what he believes.

I am finding it amazing how Harper can speak and say nothing....the smirky grin on his face makes me want to punch him out.

I am really impressed with how May has handled herself.

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Originally posted by Skipper It affects how I vote. I don't think he has the ability to represent our country. He's a weak speaker and he's meek. Comes off as an academic but not a politician. He strikes me as always being forced to crack a smile - that he wouldn't interact with other leaders well.

How does his ability to speak English affect his ability to represent the country?

There is too much exaggeration on how bad it is.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Jack Layton drives me crazy. He spews off populist BS like no tomorrow, most of what he says about economics makes absolutely no sense, all he does is criticize Harper (sometimes in quite a rude, unprofessional way too), and he has a horrible mustache. He needs to GTFO. How has he been around for so long?!

indeed. Layton is not PM material at all. he's too grassroots, too micro-thinking, IMHO...though I think that makes him a capable critic in many areas (but not economics or foreign policy).

May has completely upstaged Layton, IMHO. She's a fantastic speaker and I'm glad she's been a part of the debates. She's challenged Harper with SPECIFICS (and he consistently did not answer them, just as he ignored various points/charges in last's night debate).

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Originally posted by The Highroller How does his ability to speak English affect his ability to represent the country? There is too much exaggeration on how bad it is.

+1

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Originally posted by The Highroller How does his ability to speak English affect his ability to represent the country? There is too much exaggeration on how bad it is.

+1.

Having taken the time to listen to Dion speak on a handful of occasions, I've formed the opinion that he seems to be a very smart and honest person who has some great ideas for policies. He appears to be considerably more sincere and trustworthy than Harper.

Guys Dion is an university professor (at University snooze de Montr�al) and he has always been like that, i still remember him being invited as a specialist on federation at radio canada well over 10 years ago, he was so good as a panelist that he landed a job as minister of inter-provincial affairs under Chr�tien.

He's able to explain something to you so you can understand it, but can't stand debates and sweet talk to you like politicians. He's very square.

Duceppe wasn't that good today, he was very nervous. He didn't end his words and sentences which only made him hard to understand. I liked the part where he's just frank saying "i will not be a PM and neither you three" pointing at everyone except harper.

I thought Dion did very well last night and was able to present himslef very well during the debates.I really enjoyed watching getting attacked from left right and cenetre from all the parties.

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Originally posted by The Highroller How does his ability to speak English affect his ability to represent the country? There is too much exaggeration on how bad it is.

because when international affairs are conducted in english, he's going to struggle communicating.
because 2 of the most powerful nations in the world -US and Britain - are obviously english.

anyone know if the debate will be played again on tv?
I cant find it in any online tv guides..

I tried to watch it but the US VP debate won over last night...

kinda frigging sad when foreign election debate by VP candidates win over election debate of your own country.

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