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Originally posted by tiesto14 People like you really scare me and after i meet someone like yourself i feel compelled to wash my hands.

You hurt my feelings. Never met a long distance gangster such as yourself.

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YOU...yes YOU...beleive Bush and his crew had part in the 9.11 attacks but dont think it would of been childs play to plant some WMD in the desert? Do you see how flawed you are?

You should have rephrased that a bit but I'll answer anyway.

Skip to 51:20 where it talks about the US and others arming Iraq and then skip to 1:01:12 where it talks about Khamisiyah and the munitions contained within.
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How Western greed created Hussein's Iraq

Tim Osman A.K.A. Osama bin Laden:

NEW YORK, Aug. 24, 1998 � At the CIA, it happens often enough to have a code name: Blowback. Simply defined, this is the term that describes an agent, an operative or an operation that has turned on its creators. Osama bin Laden, our new public enemy Number 1, is the personification of blowback. And the fact that he is viewed as a hero by millions in the Islamic world proves again the old adage: Reap what you sow.
Bin Laden comes home to roost His CIA ties are only the beginning of a woeful story

In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, an Egyptian man named Emad Salem, who was involved with the bombing conspiracy. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992, information he was privy to possibly because he himself initiated the plot. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of the hundreds of possible suspects.
Salem asserted that the original FBI plan was to supply the plotters with a harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that an FBI supervisor decided that a real bomb should be constructed instead. He substantiated his claims with hundreds of hours of secretly-recorded conversations with his FBI handlers, made during discussions held after the bombings.
Salem said he wished to complain to FBI headquarters in Washington about the failure to prevent the bombing despite foreknowledge, but was dissuaded from doing so by the New York FBI office. The FBI has never contradicted Salem's account.
(1993) World Trade Center bombing (Wikipedia Article)

The story begins in November 1990 when an Egyptian fundamentalist, El Sayid Nosair, shot and killed Meir Kahane, an extreme right-wing Israeli-American, in Manhattan. A year later, in November 1991, Nosair's trial became a cause celebre among local fundamentalists, who turned out in force to support their "martyr." Planted among them was an Egyptian, Emad Salem, working as an FBI informant, even as he maintained ties to Egyptian intelligence. In December, the jury returned a bizarre verdict, acquitting Nosair of murder and finding him guilty on lesser charges. An outraged judge gave Nosair a maximum sentence on those lesser charges, and sent him to Attica....

....On June 21, an Iraqi living in Baghdad, Abdul Rahman Yasin (subsequently an indicted fugitive in the Trade Center bombing) appeared at the U.S. embassy in Amman asking for a U.S. passport. Born in America, Abdul Rahman received his passport, which he soon used to travel to this country.
Just at this crucial point, unfortunately, the FBI lost track of the Nosair-Salameh conspiracy. It did not fully trust its informant, Emad Salem, and Salem's ties to Egyptian intelligence; the Bureau severed relations with him in early July when he refused to follow its procedures relating to criminal investigations.
THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMB:
Who is Ramzi Yousef? And Why It Matters

Marvin P. Bush, the president�s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served.
9/11 Security Courtesy of Marvin Bush

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HHHmmmm...here is one for you...you like common sense?

Stop it you're hurting me.

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If everyone knows how come Al Jazeera isnt blasting this all over their airwaves? Surley they would LOVE to expose the Bush administration of its crime...but they dont...why is that? are they in bed with mrs Bush?

Too much media is too much media no matter who they say they speak for.

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Oh..and why isnt Osama and his little crew not ranting about how Bush and Rumsfield went ape shit on its own people and blamed Osama?

I dunno maybe Tim can answer that.

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Surely Hussein would be pissed off about being caught in the middle..yet no words from him either...

He suffers from cancer. Whether or not it becomes terminal depends on the outcome of his trial.

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And lets not forget the beloved BBC who would shit in their pants to expose Bush.

There's a gathering of top media people in this retreat called Bohemian Grove. I'm surprised you've never heard of it.

Spoiler alert. Long article:
Social Cohesion & the Bohemian Grove
The Power Elite at Summer Camp
by G. William Domhoff, U.C. Santa Cruz

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I didnt ask for your diagnosis...i asked for a video or photo...till you can provide one your, or whoesever it is, is bunk.

See what happens when you come in tardy for class:

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Originally posted by Psygnosis btw that 911 Eye witness thing i was talking about is on Google Video aswell, view it [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 ed2k://|file|911.Eyewitness.avi|711874560|83307D534D657438AD5E82F85AAA6FED|/

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 You hurt my feelings. Never met a long distance gangster such as yourself. You should have rephrased that a bit but I'll answer anyway. Skip to 51:20 where it talks about the US and others arming Iraq and then skip to 1:01:12 where it talks about Khamisiyah and the munitions contained within. [[ LINK REMOVED ]] How Western greed created Hussein's Iraq Tim Osman A.K.A. Osama bin Laden: NEW YORK, Aug. 24, 1998 � At the CIA, it happens often enough to have a code name: Blowback. Simply defined, this is the term that describes an agent, an operative or an operation that has turned on its creators. Osama bin Laden, our new public enemy Number 1, is the personification of blowback. And the fact that he is viewed as a hero by millions in the Islamic world proves again the old adage: Reap what you sow. Bin Laden comes home to roost His CIA ties are only the beginning of a woeful story In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, an Egyptian man named Emad Salem, who was involved with the bombing conspiracy. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992, information he was privy to possibly because he himself initiated the plot. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of the hundreds of possible suspects. Salem asserted that the original FBI plan was to supply the plotters with a harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that an FBI supervisor decided that a real bomb should be constructed instead. He substantiated his claims with hundreds of hours of secretly-recorded conversations with his FBI handlers, made during discussions held after the bombings. Salem said he wished to complain to FBI headquarters in Washington about the failure to prevent the bombing despite foreknowledge, but was dissuaded from doing so by the New York FBI office. The FBI has never contradicted Salem's account. (1993) World Trade Center bombing (Wikipedia Article) The story begins in November 1990 when an Egyptian fundamentalist, El Sayid Nosair, shot and killed Meir Kahane, an extreme right-wing Israeli-American, in Manhattan. A year later, in November 1991, Nosair's trial became a cause celebre among local fundamentalists, who turned out in force to support their "martyr." Planted among them was an Egyptian, Emad Salem, working as an FBI informant, even as he maintained ties to Egyptian intelligence. In December, the jury returned a bizarre verdict, acquitting Nosair of murder and finding him guilty on lesser charges. An outraged judge gave Nosair a maximum sentence on those lesser charges, and sent him to Attica.... ....On June 21, an Iraqi living in Baghdad, Abdul Rahman Yasin (subsequently an indicted fugitive in the Trade Center bombing) appeared at the U.S. embassy in Amman asking for a U.S. passport. Born in America, Abdul Rahman received his passport, which he soon used to travel to this country. Just at this crucial point, unfortunately, the FBI lost track of the Nosair-Salameh conspiracy. It did not fully trust its informant, Emad Salem, and Salem's ties to Egyptian intelligence; the Bureau severed relations with him in early July when he refused to follow its procedures relating to criminal investigations. THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMB: Who is Ramzi Yousef? And Why It Matters Marvin P. Bush, the president�s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. 9/11 Security Courtesy of Marvin Bush Stop it you're hurting me. Too much media is too much media no matter who they say they speak for. I dunno maybe Tim can answer that. He suffers from cancer. Whether or not it becomes terminal depends on the outcome of his trial. There's a gathering of top media people in this retreat called Bohemian Grove. I'm surprised you've never heard of it. Spoiler alert. Long article: Social Cohesion & the Bohemian Grove The Power Elite at Summer Camp by G. William Domhoff, U.C. Santa Cruz See what happens when you come in tardy for class:

People reading this...do you want to know the kicker part of his responce to me? HE DIDNT ANSWER ANYTHING STRAIGHT FORWARD. He had to post some nonsense and has no thoughts of his own on the matter.

Once again i own another conspiracy theorist with COMMON SENSE.
Now run along n00b and show us all how we never walked on the moon cus u dont see stars in the photos

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Originally posted by tiesto14 People reading this...do you want to know the kicker part of his responce to me? HE DIDNT ANSWER ANYTHING STRAIGHT FORWARD. He had to post some nonsense and has no thoughts of his own on the matter. Once again i own another conspiracy theorist with COMMON SENSE. Now run along n00b and show us all how we never walked on the moon cus u dont see stars in the photos

And the difference between your posts and his post are that his post make more sense than yours. His post offer links and a reasonable statement.

What are you doing? Just blantly talking out of your ass not providing any links to back up your useless statements.

And yes video was provided, a few pages back. Go and watch it, and shut up please, i think you just dropped everyones IQ.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 People reading this...do you want to know the kicker part of his responce to me? HE DIDNT ANSWER ANYTHING STRAIGHT FORWARD. He had to post some nonsense and has no thoughts of his own on the matter. Once again i own another conspiracy theorist with COMMON SENSE. Now run along n00b and show us all how we never walked on the moon cus u dont see stars in the photos

Agent provocateur.

Usually they come out of the woodwork with an agenda to try to shame and mock people.

It's like this statement I always make:

Arguing he's not gay in a gay bar.

Let me straighten you out there spook.

I spent quite a bit of time to respond for you. You asked for information and I gave it to you. I could offer my own comments but you'll just shoot it down as non-credible. Yeah you would because it's in your nature as a troll to talk half-truths and disinformation laced with libeleous and coarse language. This is all you know. If I told you that masturbation would make hair grow on your hand you would look wouldn't you? But you can't help it being the by-product of a public education system that does not let you learn to your full potential. A system where you believe everything you see on television as the whole unbiased truth. A system that you are so comfortable with that you do not question it's integrity nor it's truthfulness.

A system where your next response comes not as an educated one but one of simple words or phrases that make incoherent sentences.

Prove me right. I await your sycophantic response.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 HA HA HA HA...so then what was the reason for orchestrating 9.11 in the first place? Most conspiracy theorists come up with their theories because they claim Bush and his crew was involved to plant themselves in Iraq...so if they went trhough all the work on doing 9.11 just to get to Iraq why not plant a WMD there.

Your arguement lacks one fundamental, I don't subscribe to the theory that the govt orchestrated the attack. Maybe you need to read the thread properly before you try and mock me. Your insults are not only misdirected, they are plain ignorant.

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I didnt ask for your diagnosis...i asked for a video or photo...till you can provide one your, or whoesever it is, is bunk.

Is Bunk? What does that mean - I'm not familiar with the terminology...

Not sure what you want a video of but there is a link at the bottom of this post you don't seem to have watched about the attack on the Pentagon. If you have seen it I stand corrected.
If you are refering to the demolition of a building and me providing a video of one that 'fell outward' then that rejects my post previously stating that in demolition things happen in stages for the reason of safety - obviously there won't be a video of this because that is not how it is done. It doesn't however indicate that it is not possible.
There was however a 12 yr old girl in Canberra Australia killed 1997 when a building being demolished sent debris across the other side of the lake and hit her. She was in a crowd of spectators.
here
here Plenty more pages if you google it.

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Doesnt matter if they have to buy it or not...someone still keeps inventory on weapons in the military...in fact many many people do. Surely you cant keep all those nobodies silent.

Black market? Russian nuclear waste has gone missing before? It's not imposible, but again like I said I DONT SUBSCRIBE TO THIS!

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No way it could disintergrate? Have you seens the phots from the Pennsylvania crash? no wings there either...because it crashed at such high speeds into something so strong that it turned to confetti.

Provide some links...

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Then what do u think it was a missile? a drone plane? FIne i will entertain that...but what of tghe passengers of the original plane? The air traffick controllers? the people seeing the plane fly buy?

All these questions are entertained in the video below except maybe the air traffic contolloers in which case I believe the transponders were turned off meaning the plane was not being tracked. Have to check that tho.

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but thats the problem with conspiracy theorists like yourself...

Again I don't subscribe to a conspiracy... I just question the damage at the pentagon from my interest in the following movie. Does not in any way mean it is the definitive end.

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All you say is wheres the plane parts and dismiss all the evidence against your theory. Such nonsense and waste of time.

All the evidence against my questions more like it, not my theory. I have not provided a theory.
This evidence you speak of, where is it? Give some links for me to investigate.

Link to movie

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Originally posted by Psygnosis And the difference between your posts and his post are that his post make more sense than yours. His post offer links and a reasonable statement. What are you doing? Just blantly talking out of your ass not providing any links to back up your useless statements. And yes video was provided, a few pages back. Go and watch it, and shut up please, i think you just dropped everyones IQ.

Really? well how about you try then...if Bush and his pals were involved in 9.11 tell why did they make themselves look like morons when they didnt find WMD in Iraq...it would of been very easy to plant it after commiting 9.11.

See all you people do is point to dodgy websites and run around and around the easiest question...you simply cant answer it because it can not be answered....Bush had nothing to do with 9.11.

now piss off n99b.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Agent provocateur. Usually they come out of the woodwork with an agenda to try to shame and mock people. It's like this statement I always make: Arguing he's not gay in a gay bar. Let me straighten you out there spook. I spent quite a bit of time to respond for you. You asked for information and I gave it to you. I could offer my own comments but you'll just shoot it down as non-credible. Yeah you would because it's in your nature as a troll to talk half-truths and disinformation laced with libeleous and coarse language. This is all you know. If I told you that masturbation would make hair grow on your hand you would look wouldn't you? But you can't help it being the by-product of a public education system that does not let you learn to your full potential. A system where you believe everything you see on television as the whole unbiased truth. A system that you are so comfortable with that you do not question it's integrity nor it's truthfulness. A system where your next response comes not as an educated one but one of simple words or phrases that make incoherent sentences. Prove me right. I await your sycophantic response.

HA...now he as resorted to blatant childish insults...and people he has YET to answer my question...so friggen easy. You talk about me beleiving everything i see on TV yet you send me a link of a video...video.tv same shit...

So when will you answer some common sense questions from your own mind? Links dont have to be provided for common sense.

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Originally posted by skot_e Your arguement lacks one fundamental, I don't subscribe to the theory that the govt orchestrated the attack. Maybe you need to read the thread properly before you try and mock me. Your insults are not only misdirected, they are plain ignorant. Is Bunk? What does that mean - I'm not familiar with the terminology... Not sure what you want a video of but there is a link at the bottom of this post you don't seem to have watched about the attack on the Pentagon. If you have seen it I stand corrected. If you are refering to the demolition of a building and me providing a video of one that 'fell outward' then that rejects my post previously stating that in demolition things happen in stages for the reason of safety - obviously there won't be a video of this because that is not how it is done. It doesn't however indicate that it is not possible. There was however a 12 yr old girl in Canberra Australia killed 1997 when a building being demolished sent debris across the other side of the lake and hit her. She was in a crowd of spectators. here here Plenty more pages if you google it. Black market? Russian nuclear waste has gone missing before? It's not imposible, but again like I said I DONT SUBSCRIBE TO THIS! Provide some links... All these questions are entertained in the video below except maybe the air traffic contolloers in which case I believe the transponders were turned off meaning the plane was not being tracked. Have to check that tho. Again I don't subscribe to a conspiracy... I just question the damage at the pentagon from my interest in the following movie. Does not in any way mean it is the definitive end. All the evidence against my questions more like it, not my theory. I have not provided a theory. This evidence you speak of, where is it? Give some links for me to investigate. Link to movie

Road to Tyranny made a better case than that video. I can see why you could beleive it wasnt a plane...but until you can explain were the people went the theory is bunk...also even though the transponders were turned off doesnt mean its still not an air traffick controllers radar..they still see the plane just with very limited information.

So where are the people?
Are you now suggesting they were brought somewhere else and executed?
You must be if you beleive in the no plane theory.

here you go boys..you want plane parts...you got them.







Listen...if it was a missile, a drone or whatever and Bush and his pals were behind it dont you think they would of thought people would be suspicious? And if so dont you think they would of made it look a tad more real? Like throw a wing here or there?

None of the "no Boeing" theorists have explained why the perpetrators would have risked certain exposure by a bystander capturing video of something that wasn't a Boeing 757. Video footage from nearby surveillance cameras was immediately seized by the FBI. Workers at a nearby hotel did get to see their film (prior to its impoundment) and did not report seeing anything other than a plane hitting the Pentagon. Keeping the film footage secret allows extreme speculation to flourish, which serves the interests of the plotters.

Again think about it...it really is common sense.
Its like when people discredit the men on the moon cus there are no stars in the photos...but do you really think that NASA and the giv would make up such a scheme and forget the friggen stars? come on...same with Pentagon...whether you like it or nor the Bush administration is not stupid.

And what would be the reason for Bush admin to orchestarte 9.11?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 And what would be the reason for Bush admin to orchestarte 9.11?

I'm willing to bet the same people that thought 9/11 was orchestrated think American let Pearl Harbour happen too...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I'm willing to bet the same people that thought 9/11 was orchestrated think American let Pearl Harbour happen too...

ALOT of people who DONT'T believe in the former DO beleive in the latter, in case you didn't know.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 HA...now he as resorted to blatant childish insults...and people he has YET to answer my question...so friggen easy. You talk about me beleiving everything i see on TV yet you send me a link of a video...video.tv same shit... So when will you answer some common sense questions from your own mind? Links dont have to be provided for common sense.

Before you pat yourself on the back, what was your "common sense" question?

If you had one question to ask what is it?

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 If you had one question to ask what is it?

When will good prevail over evil?

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid When will good prevail over evil?

At the end of time.

The question was meant for the troll.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 A few posters on here have brought up some VERY common sence questions for you conspiracy theorists like trance-x...yet not one of you brain surgeons even attmepted to answer them...seems all you do is spit up some nonsense your read from some loner quck who made a webpage cus he is probally a bi-polar freak who sits home and thinks of such utter crap to pass on to fools that beleive and uncover such OBVIOUS conspiracies that no one else seems to entertain. SO lets have some fun...see if you morons can answer one VERY VERY easy question...watch how COMMON SENSE debunks your theories. Here we go (or shall i say "Let's Roll") (QUESTION) If there was a conspiracy involved (cough bullshit cough) and Bush and his pals secretly orchestrated the biggest terror act of all time with secret explosives and hidden planes and whatever crap you retards (which you are) come up with to explain away your theories.....well why is that it was so friggen hard for Bush and his wacky clan to stash some VX nerve gas, some warheads or some other WMD in Husseins backyard in a bunker and then exclaim "AH HA WE TOLD U THERE WAS WMD"?....but no wait "THAT" would be to hard of a plan to do...bringing down 2 towers in NYC and penetrating the Pentagon is childs play compared to planting some WMD in the friggen desert hundreds of miles away from anyones sight...dumbasses...see how silly it seems already? Show me ONE just ONE video or photo of ANY planned demolition that shows the building falling outwards and not inwards. Matter fact...lets play common sense with you as well. Answer me this butter cup.... Where did the planned/controlled explosives come from? Surely the quanity was enormous and had to be taken from somewhere thaqt keeps and inventory of such things. Now surely that man (but probally dozens of people) realized all that explosive was gone...how did they keep silent all these years? How about this...who planted the explosvies? Was there reports of people walking around with all of it planting it under peoples desks? Wait i forgot they did it in the middle of the night...lol So lets make a short list of all the people who have knowledge of this huge cover up 1. George Bush 2. Rumsfield 3. Rice 4. Powell 5. The dozens of men who keep inventory of such highly dangerous explosives 6. The numerous men who set them up 7. The men who set them off Thats a small list for you...now i can see keepign the big guys silent..but no chance those little guys wouldnt jump at the chance to tell their story and make millions uncovering the biggest crime against ones own nation. COMMON SENSE. People like you really scare me and after i meet someone like yourself i feel compelled to wash my hands. YOU...yes YOU...beleive Bush and his crew had part in the 9.11 attacks but dont think it would of been childs play to plant some WMD in the desert? Do you see how flawed you are? It is not uncommon for planes to be reduced to confetti after such hard impacts...just look at the plane that went down in Pennsylvania HHHmmmm...here is one for you...you like common sense? If everyone knows how come Al Jazeera isnt blasting this all over their airwaves? Surley they would LOVE to expose the Bush administration of its crime...but they dont...why is that? are they in bed with mrs Bush? Oh..and why isnt Osama and his little crew not ranting about how Bush and Rumsfield went ape shit on its own people and blamed Osama? Surely Hussein would be pissed off about being caught in the middle..yet no words from him either... And lets not forget the beloved BBC who would shit in their pants to expose Bush. But nothing...you people have absolutley NOTHING said from anyone who is taking the rap on this shit...all you have is wack jobs making web pages and monkey dust theories. you are so pissed there is no debrie at the Pentagon arent you? And you keep talking about wings...well where are the wings from the WTC planes or the wings from the Pennsylvania plane? Why MUST the Pentagon plane have its wings intact when it hit harder surfaces then any of the others...they friggen turned to confetti so move on. forget the aircraft..what happened to the people on board? If you people buy into this whole drone plane or missile theory and the plane never hit the bulding please think for a moment. There were dozens of people on that plane...all had families that lost loves ones...are you implying that the Bush administration didnt crash that plane but used a missile or drone and then took the plane with passengers and killed them in cold blood? WOW sick. OK but what about the company that owned that plane? Arent they pissed that the gov took their plane for this? think of all the people who would have to keep silent for this to happen...common sense again. 1. The airline company (many people would notice a missing plane) 2. The air traffic controllers would see the plane didnt crash but kept flying and landed somewhere else (where CIA agents killed the people) 3. The people on the ground who saw the plane fly past the pentagon for some miles to land somewhere else. Surely people noticed a low flying 757 over Washington DC during the morning of 9.11 4. All the people at the runway they landed the plane see that is a fast short list...imagine if we REALLY thought about the people that would have to be kept silent...too many to count..and too many to keep silent...and too little common sense. Oh and Jimmy Hoffa killed JFK after getting a blow job from Jackie O.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911 - watch & weep. ;-) This guy broke it down scientifically. What were these non-news helicopters doing around there? Notice how right after a helicopter passed from behind the buildings, another explosion goes off?

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 At the end of time. The question was meant for the troll.

Ok. Do you not like me or something? I thought we were buddies, man. Now, here is something I would like to discuss with you or anybody else. Maybe Al Qaeda does not exist.

They did but the US govt managed to destroy them a while ago during the USSR invasion of Afghanistan. The US govt saw this organisation as a good means to take away liberties from the people and eventually they would use this threat for a one world govt really controlled by the US.

Now all the suppose terrorists are all govt agents. Nobody will know the difference I mean look at the video tapes of the Training camps for Al Qaeda the tapes are very old.

I believe we have all been duped. 9/11 was nothing more than a gov plan to attack several countries for an oil pipeline and the control of oil researves.

It was also the major move by the gov to prepare for civil control on all its people.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Bush had nothing to do with 9.11.

If your little brain is so confident about this, show me some links thats proves this point or even slightly backs your dumbass ideas up?

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Before you pat yourself on the back, what was your "common sense" question? If you had one question to ask what is it?

It is a 3 part question and without an answer to this question no amount of evidence can suggest anything of a conspiracy.

If the Bush administration was involved in 9.11 what was the reason for it, what did they gain? Most, if not all, of the conspiracy theorists beleive it was to plant themselves in Iraq for oil or some other reason, but if that is the case why would they go through the ENORMOUS effort of pulling off 9.11 killing thousands of its own people, bringing down both World Trade Center Towers, penetrating the Pentagon all in broad daylight for the world to see only to make themselves look stupid by entering Iraq under false prentences when all they had to do was plant some VX nerve gas and some warheads in the desert to "prove: Hussein had WMD...but they didnt they planned 9.11 to get to Iraq yet didnt plant WMD which would of been childs play? makes no sense.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I believe we have all been duped. 9/11 was nothing more than a gov plan to attack several countries for an oil pipeline and the control of oil researves. It was also the major move by the gov to prepare for civil control on all its people.

You dont get it either...WHY would the goverment make themselves look stupid and be hated by most of the world population by not planting WMD in Iraq.

If the gov planted it the world would not be so against the US invasion of Iraq and Bush would look like a hero.

Is this really that hard for you people to understand?

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Originally posted by Psygnosis If your little brain is so confident about this, show me some links thats proves this point or even slightly backs your dumbass ideas up?

Why must i show a link?

It is common sense...orchestrate 9.11 a massive domestic attack to plant yourself in Iraq but only to make yourself hated by most of the world by not finding WMD...if that is such a hard concept for you to even consider then u have issues.

Do you understand what i am saying....seriously think about it objectivly before you respond.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 You dont get it either...WHY would the goverment make themselves look stupid and be hated by most of the world population by not planting WMD in Iraq. If the gov planted it the world would not be so against the US invasion of Iraq and Bush would look like a hero. Is this really that hard for you people to understand?

You don't get it. The real power behind the scenes planned this out. And no its not some lobbyiest for a fortune 500 company.

What happened is ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENT WORLDWIDE. THIS IS CAUSE FOR CONCERN FOR THE AMERICAN PPL. WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE MEDIA CONSTANTLY TELLING AMERICANS THAT THEY ARE NOT SAFE THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD HATE US AND THAT IS WHY THE GOV MUST TAKE LIBERTIES AWAY FROM THE PPL!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Why must i show a link? It is common sense...orchestrate 9.11 a massive domestic attack to plant yourself in Iraq but only to make yourself hated by most of the world by not finding WMD...if that is such a hard concept for you to even consider then u have issues. Do you understand what i am saying....seriously think about it objectivly before you respond.

It's not common sense, it's what your fed to believe.

I'm not saying that it was Bush who was behind it or some big Arab nation, but what proof don't you have the CIA setup this whole thing in the first place because as you know they trained Saddam, Osama etc.

They are capable of anything they well please to do, so don't come here and say its common sense, your just the typical naive fool that will believe anything. You only believe Bush or the American government wasn't behind it because thats what they tell you in which they say Arabs did this, and arabs did that.

Again, don't you go around telling people that they didnt answer your question or didn't prove themselves because you did neither right here.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Ok. Do you not like me or something? I thought we were buddies, man.

The question was actually for the troll. Aside from that I have no problems with you.

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Now, here is something I would like to discuss with you or anybody else. Maybe Al Qaeda does not exist. They did but the US govt managed to destroy them a while ago during the USSR invasion of Afghanistan. The US govt saw this organisation as a good means to take away liberties from the people and eventually they would use this threat for a one world govt really controlled by the US. Now all the suppose terrorists are all govt agents. Nobody will know the difference I mean look at the video tapes of the Training camps for Al Qaeda the tapes are very old. I believe we have all been duped. 9/11 was nothing more than a gov plan to attack several countries for an oil pipeline and the control of oil researves. It was also the major move by the gov to prepare for civil control on all its people.

06/04/2002 - Updated 08:12 AM ET
U.S. had agents inside al-Qaeda
By John Diamond, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON � U.S. intelligence overheard al-Qaeda operatives discussing a major pending terrorist attack in the weeks prior to Sept. 11 and had agents inside the terror group, but the intercepts and field reports didn't specify where or when a strike might occur, according to U.S. officials. The disclosures add to a growing body of evidence to be examined in congressional hearings that open today into how the CIA, FBI and other agencies failed to seize on intelligence pointing to the deadliest terror attack in U.S. history.

• Dispatches from agents who infiltrated al-Qaeda and its Taliban allies. The operatives could not crack the tightly held secret of the Sept. 11 plot but helped underscore the lengths al-Qaeda was willing to go to inflict pain on the United States.
  

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Originally posted by ali92 [[ LINK REMOVED ]] - watch & weep. ;-) This guy broke it down scientifically. What were these non-news helicopters doing around there? Notice how right after a helicopter passed from behind the buildings, another explosion goes off?

So what? On any given day there are countless helicopters over NYC...that is not uncommen at all. I see no explosion after the helicopters are flying around.

Are you suggesting helicopters were dropiing bombs or something?
I was in lower Manhattan that day, not too far from WTC and i heard no explosions before the towers fell...only ones i heard was the planes hitting and then when they collapsed.

The video then goes to the dust cloud coming from the bottom of the WTC...that was probally smoke coming down the elevator shafts and billowing out of the building...which has been seen in many other documentraries of 9.11...or it could of been debry that fell from the top of the towers that was on fire in the courtyard between the 2 towers...again the movie proves nothing.

Then he goe sback to the helicopters...not sure why...there was countless helicopters in the air that day...be it news copters or emergency service helicopters...nothing weird about that.

Are you really sugesting that the helicopters, in broad daylight over NYC with billions of people glued to the television watching this unfold live and knowing it would be recorded by hundreds of people made the towers collapse...surely u can be serious...that it so sad if you beleive that.

The guy at 18minutes says black smoke in indicative of a fire going out...that is not true...black smoke means the fire is bad....white smoke means a fire is dying out.

Then they go on about military helicopters...which i dont recall seeing with my own eyes that day nor have i ever seen of any reports of any in the area. There was many news and police copters though. As far as the bright flashes they could of been the sun reflecting off the metal sides of the copters...nothing really strange about that...not too mention whos to say that video hasnt been edited and those were put in? But i would bet it was the sun and water reflections of the metal sides.

at 27:20 he talks about 6 explosions...i dont see them or hear them in this video at all...not sure what he is meaning.

This is when i stopped watching...at 46minutes into he has proven nothing to me...he talks of explosions heard on the street...well i was down there and can say there wasnt any...so i dismiss the video as nonsense muddraking.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid You don't get it. The real power behind the scenes planned this out. And no its not some lobbyiest for a fortune 500 company. What happened is ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENT WORLDWIDE. THIS IS CAUSE FOR CONCERN FOR THE AMERICAN PPL. WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE MEDIA CONSTANTLY TELLING AMERICANS THAT THEY ARE NOT SAFE THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD HATE US AND THAT IS WHY THE GOV MUST TAKE LIBERTIES AWAY FROM THE PPL!

Oh christ you are crazy......so now it wasnt the US government behind 9.11? bit some other secret American group?
LOL you need serious serious psychiatric medication ... and i do not mean that in a deragatory way...i sincerly think you need proffessional help. And i can not discuss with you anything further till you seek the help you need.

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