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Single-mindedness, trance-centrism, obsessive fixation with the genre and the scene, excessive genre-listening. I think things like these are all part of the disease. There are people who listen to asot just to get bored and complain every week rather than branching out and listening to something completely different. Because they are more interested in adhering to something, and in the feeling of belonging, than they are in music. The genre-scene-community thinking overshadows the individual's relation to the music. Then comes the sudden realization that the shit is boring and people make a big deal out of it only because they thought trance was the best thing out there, and that is probably the fundamental problem to begin with. You can only blow a bubble that big before it bursts.

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Originally posted by SMC Single-mindedness, trance-centrism, obsessive fixation with the genre and the scene, excessive genre-listening. I think things like these are all part of the disease. There are people who listen to asot just to get bored and complain every week rather than branching out and listening to something completely different. Because they are more interested in adhering to something, and in the feeling of belonging, than they are in music. The genre-scene-community thinking overshadows the individual's relation to the music. Then comes the sudden realization that the shit is boring and people make a big deal out of it only because they thought trance was the best thing out there, and that is probably the fundamental problem to begin with. You can only blow a bubble that big before it bursts.

This is a nice post. Although i don't think that the factors you list are only fundamental to trance. It happens unfortunately with all forms of music. This is one of the things that makes me extremely angry.I guess that i was one of those hipsters a few years ago (probablt when i was a teenager or something), but when i look at it now i laugh at my past self. The blind worshipping ("adhering" as you say)of one specific (sub-)genre of music. I don't know why, but all those teenage-minded hipsters can f*ck off!

^ I agree with you, SMC.

What's more annoying than anything about some trancers is the way they single-mindedly promote their genre as they slate or ignore anything that might be done in house, techno, dubstep, or even outside of EDM entirely. I think what will really revitalize any "scene" is if its members try and celebrate (and play!) good music wherever they find it rather than limiting themselves to stuff that has a certain set of familiar sounds and a familiar genre tag. Of course all genres can have this problem, but I think that genres with a disproportionate number of "newbies" (like mainstream trance today IMO) can especially fall prey to it.

One thing that promotes this narrow-minded attitude, though, is DJs who play only one or two genres. The DJs cater to the narrow-mindedness of their fans, who in turn seek out only DJs who will please their narrow-minded tastes. It's a feedback loop.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles One thing that promotes this narrow-minded attitude, though, is DJs who play only one or two genres. The DJs cater to the narrow-mindedness of their fans, who in turn seek out only DJs who will please their narrow-minded tastes. It's a feedback loop.

Ugh oh, the "I get bored of any one genre after about 30 minutes of listening" crowd is fighting back.

Sorry but what the hells wrong with primarily listening to one genre? Maybe those dj's simply prefer spinning that one/two genres? Who says they have to spin everything.

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Originally posted by PETRAN This is a nice post. Although i don't think that the factors you list are only fundamental to trance. It happens unfortunately with all forms of music. This is one of the things that makes me extremely angry.I guess that i was one of those hipsters a few years ago (probablt when i was a teenager or something), but when i look at it now i laugh at my past self. The blind worshipping ("adhering" as you say)of one specific (sub-)genre of music. I don't know why, but all those teenage-minded hipsters can f*ck off!

Yes, of course. I wanted to mention these things aren't unique to the trance following, but i thought it was pretty obvious. These phenomenons can be observed in relation to certain other genres as well. It has more to do with the persons than the music. It's adolescent single-mindedness.

However... i still think it's all a bit more 'the case' with trance, or some other dance music, because of the nature of the music and how it is delivered. Dance music is already unvaried as it is. The teenage metalhead is probably (undeliberately) a tad more eclectic than the teenage armin-fanatic.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles One thing that promotes this narrow-minded attitude, though, is DJs who play only one or two genres. The DJs cater to the narrow-mindedness of their fans, who in turn seek out only DJs who will please their narrow-minded tastes. It's a feedback loop.

There is also an over-reliance on the DJ, which is a problem because of the limitations of the DJ and what he can do. There are practical reasons for which it makes sense to have a DJ mix records, where people want to dance, in clubs etc. But there isn't really any good reason for which the music you listen to at home always must be served in a DJ set. I'm not saying the mixed set is pointless at home, but it is overrated.

And the artists, who actually have a lot of freedom, they mostly keep doing the same things over and over. The only change that occurs is dictated by general trends in the scene and the predictable move towards more easily digestable music. THE NEW ALBUM BY YOUR FAVORITE ARTIST: now with fart basslines, rocktronica and more unicorn vocals.

But ultimately it's all up to the listener.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Ugh oh, the "I get bored of any one genre after about 30 minutes of listening" crowd is fighting back.

You're misjudging some people there, i'm afraid.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Sorry but what the hells wrong with primarily listening to one genre? Maybe those dj's simply prefer spinning that one/two genres? Who says they have to spin everything.

my hunch is that people who listen to one genre obsessively have some sort of personality disorder and use the music as an escape from some deeper, lingering psychological issue.

this goes hand in hand with what was said about needing to belong

also they probably aren't emotionally well-rounded

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Originally posted by nefardec my hunch is that people who listen to one genre obsessively have some sort of personality disorder and use the music as an escape from some deeper, lingering psychological issue. this goes hand in hand with what was said about needing to belong also they probably aren't emotionally well-rounded

Wheres the fun in not being crazy?

Thats a boring kind of crazy

But Darkarbiter is also listening to "Emo" lol.

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Originally posted by Clovis Thats a boring kind of crazy

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Originally posted by PETRAN But Darkarbiter is also listening to "Emo" lol.

When did I ever say that? I don't like much rock at all, except for maybe some industrial/metal stuff.

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Originally posted by SMC There are practical reasons for which it makes sense to have a DJ mix records, where people want to dance, in clubs etc. But there isn't really any good reason for which the music you listen to at home always must be served in a DJ set. I'm not saying the mixed set is pointless at home, but it is overrated. But ultimately it's all up to the listener.

And as a listener I want to know what I can expect when listening to a DJ (till a certain level). When Armin, Ferry, Tiesto or Paul wouldn't play what they play then probably many people would stop listening to them.
I like U2's pre Zooropa work best, but never complained about the change. Just look for something you do like and meets you taste. As for artist albums I bought ten times more compilations than artist albums.

Sometimes I feel I'm the only 34 year old TA over here who still likes current Trance which for me started at the early 90's. I even sometimes wonder if the age of the DJ's has to do with what they play (and many don't like). I also like(d) (Acid)House, Eurodance, (German)Techno, Happy Hardcore, Hardcore and Hard Trance. All genres by which the most successful DJ's have been influenced by, especially the West European ones.

At home I don't listen many DJ sets, because many tracks probably don't meet my taste. At home I play what I really like. I listen to ASOT in order to find some new tracks and don't mind hearing some I don't like that much, because I listen these sets in my car.

I also wonder who over here just listens to Trance and who also dances (or have danced) on it in a club or festival.
I think people who also dance on it are more open minded and also enjoy when another genre is being played. On the other hand, at festivals like Mysteryland you can pick your genre. I enjoy Trance most, but also danced my ass of on the other genres some years ago. Remembering the fun we had doesn't make me shame for even liking Scooter back then.

But indeed ultimately it's all up to the listener, so I guess Armin, Ferry, Tiesto and Paul made the right decisions...... Hyper Hyper....

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Originally posted by PETRAN IMO there are not big aesthetic differences between modern stuff and e.g. mid-90s epic-house/progressive trance stuff etc

Apart from the instruments, the structure, the length, the arrangements and the tempo...

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Originally posted by PETRAN The only reason that people view today's epic and progressive trance as of lower quality in comparison to 90s epic and progressive trance is simply because the sound is relatively similar and hence they are naturally bored of it (same concepts, ideas etc.)accusing the sound itself for their boredom. Truth is that this is how music is.

That's a crock of shit. I was bored of the fluff, Anjunabeats, Above & Beyond sound as soon as I heard it (Total Euphoria compilation, released 2001) where as I still hear tracks from the 90s for the first time and love them. There's no nostalgia there because I've never heard the tracks before and I didn't get into trance listening to a mid-90s progressive sound. There's no over-familiarity because I have and I listen to a lot more 90s trance than 00s trance.

I wish people would stop wheeling out these cliched, patronising and generalised explanations of how everyone who has stopped liking new trance has simply become over-saturated with it or has "moved up" or "developed" in tastes. Maybe you followed such a predictable pattern, but don't push words about people's tastes into their mouths because of it.

Guys. Stop arguing, listen to Danny Howells. He will sort you out.

this is because these people think they are really cool that keep saying trance is boring or dead in this forum. in fact they may still attend most of the trance event i guess.

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