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Originally posted by kaniz Apparently enough to provoke a 12+ page thread on Trance Addict.

5 if you're cool

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Originally posted by El K Dee most of you that are bitching about religious people, as many of you have mentioned, were never told about the possibility of the existence of God and would never dream about joining a faith anytime in your life...just think about it...

absolutely NOT the case. I was born in a STRICT irish-catholic family. 3+ hours every sunday going to church and school, 6 hour confirmation classes for a year, mother hounding me about the rules of the lord (no premarital sex, etc), etc....it was POUNDED into me.

Yet I still find so many loopholes, unanswered questions, inconsistencies, subjectivity and falsehoods about religion. Not to mention it is so hard for me to believe in religion in general; it has been the source of so much pain, war, violence and destruction. It was always hard for me to be positive about something that I see as the source of much negativity in the world.


Just my opinion (no need for a WAR over everyone else's opinion on religion, I am simply stating that in MY experience, growing up with something "forced" upon you does not necessarily mean that one will grow old and accepting of this exact views, nor will people how have had little religious background not grow to be believers....)

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Originally posted by Jer I see your raptor jesus, and raise you:

all i can think is that as soon as his left hand breaks free he is gonna faceplant in to the base of the cross in an epic fail.

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Originally posted by chico all i can think is that as soon as his left hand breaks free he is gonna faceplant in to the base of the cross in an epic fail.

hahah nice

Any reason why this organization picked "God" instead of "Allah"... because the two are one and the same?

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Any reason why this organization picked "God" instead of "Allah"... because the two are one and the same?

probably cuz they didn't wanna end up like that Danish cartoonist lol

+1 to people who said it's just like any religious infomercial or someone on the street telling you they think you need to ensure your salvation. with the vast amount of conflicting religious messages that we're exposed to on a daily basis, no one should complain about the simple message being conveyed here. people need to understand you can be a happy atheist without being a hedonistic bastard

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Originally posted by El K Dee if someone is raised in a faith, they can choose what their belief is as an adult. parents will be upset but will live with it. on the other hand, if someone is raised with no beliefs, then its hard to say "hey listen..there's a supreme being called God...we practice this faith...you should try it" most of you that are bitching about religious people, as many of you have mentioned, were never told about the possibility of the existence of God and would never dream about joining a faith anytime in your life...just think about it... this is the reason you bitch at those who have faith

bullshit. i don't know anyone who wasn't taught to believe in a god in their younger years, secular or not... even the most uncultured of cakers i had to live near. even if they weren't exposed to the idea of god, that doesn't make their criticism of religion any less valid. and hell, wouldn't those be the easiest kinds of people to convert?

plus it was the complete opposite for me. i regularly went to church until i got towards the end of high school and decided to stop because i realized i was just lying to myself. i started to consider myself agnostic, and an atheist a couple years later. it wasn't that i never understood my faith from the get-go.. it was that the more i learned about history and the way humans interact with each other the more huge problems i saw in religion.. from all aspects ranging from the actions of institutions themselves, to realizing i didn't need to follow any dogma to live a happy life (and make it happier for those around me) and be at peace with my inevitable death. it was made easier by my parents being open-minded... but some of my good friends who were raised devout muslims had the same revelations around the same time in their life.. and just like me, they aren't afraid to defend or clarify their views even if it means criticizing faith.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby Yet I still find so many loopholes, unanswered questions, inconsistencies, subjectivity and falsehoods about religion. Not to mention it is so hard for me to believe in religion in general; it has been the source of so much pain, war, violence and destruction. It was always hard for me to be positive about something that I see as the source of much negativity in the world.

Yep, +1000.

This applies for me too, but I still think there's a greater power of some sort.

Wow...there are a lot of stubborn folk in this thread!

I think everyone needs to calm down and do what Jenny does: eat a dick.

i wish i was sober to get back in this thread.

oh well. tomorrow morning it is!

ps: think of what the role of parents should be. you want parents to raise kids, or the govt?

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Originally posted by Skipper Why is it hard? If it's hard to believe as an adult, an adult with critical reasoning skills and common sense, then that says a lot about whatever you are trying to preach.

So anyone that thinks otherwise lacks critical reasoning skills and common sense?

LOL oh please

The only thing that irks me about these ads (and I'm not religious) is that it assumes that people who are of faith are somehow worrying and stressing their whole life, which is hardly the case.

hmmm so i just proved a point that will not be accepted due to sheer ignorance....


woohooo

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Originally posted by Skipper Does the bible say you can't use drugs? What about alcohol? (also a drug)

As far as I know, yes it does. Or it's interpreted as saying you can't do anything to harm your body since God created it. That's why suicide is also banned. Alcohol is tricky since wine in small quantities is healthy but in large quantities is bad.

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Originally posted by kaniz Apparently enough to provoke a 12+ page thread on Trance Addict.

Absolutely! I stand corrected, there is a ton of thought-provoking discussion in here about the poor kids who had to have religion ingrained into them, the foolish believers who lack critical thinking skills and common sense... and oh yeah, Raptor Jesus! (lol)

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess As far as I know, yes it does. Or it's interpreted as saying you can't do anything to harm your body since God created it. That's why suicide is also banned. Alcohol is tricky since wine in small quantities is healthy but in large quantities is bad.

Yeah, it's pretty simple... it's one of those things similarly to when they talk about the "spirit" of the law versus the "letter" of the law.

It's saying essentially that your body is not ultimately your own, that it's on lease (for 20th century terminology) and that you must keep it in good working condition to the extent that you have control over that.

(for those that choose to believe in this sort of thing)

Pretty much any forum/blog I've seen this posted on, has sparked some pretty long discussions. Some of it good, some if it not so good. Was busy the other day so haven't had a chance to read this entire thread.

But, if the goal was to spark discussion, I'd say that it has.

I'm not really sure what spiritual/religious group I'd fall into. I wouldn't say that I'm atheist or agnostic, but I'm hesitant to say I believe in god. Not because I don't believe that there is something greater, but because my concept of god isn't really the Christian/Catholic/etc concept of God.

The concept of "God" has some nasty connotations with it that I'm not that particularly fond of and doesn't fit in with my beliefs. To many people died in the name of God, waged wars, killed others, played for power and been used as something to separate, divide and conquer all in the name of God, and frankly that isn't the God that I believe in.

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Originally posted by kaniz Pretty much any forum/blog I've seen this posted on, has sparked some pretty long discussions. Some of it good, some if it not so good. Was busy the other day so haven't had a chance to read this entire thread. But, if the goal was to spark discussion, I'd say that it has. I'm not really sure what spiritual/religious group I'd fall into. I wouldn't say that I'm atheist or agnostic, but I'm hesitant to say I believe in god. Not because I don't believe that there is something greater, but because my concept of god isn't really the Christian/Catholic/etc concept of God. The concept of "God" has some nasty connotations with it that I'm not that particularly fond of and doesn't fit in with my beliefs. To many people died in the name of God, waged wars, killed others, played for power and been used as something to separate, divide and conquer all in the name of God, and frankly that isn't the God that I believe in.

Heh... why is God put on trial for the things that people who misinterpret His word do?

The people that died in the name of God, according to the religion/Bible are the closest to him. Those who kill or otherwise terrorize/antagonize in His name don't really represent Him at all. How hard is that to understand... I was able to understand it fairly easily - I am someone who has attended church less times than I can count on 1 hand, hardly a devout religious believer in any measurable sense of the word.

Do we say the law is at fault when people misinterpret it?

Do we say that all of Canada is at fault when various Canadians misrepresent the country when abroad?

Guilt by association has never been a good thing.

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Originally posted by Skipper I have no problem with people's beliefs as long as they don't impose them on me...and I am thankful my parents never did that. They trusted me to grow up decently and didn't threaten me into doing so with the possibility of eternal damnation if I didn't.

well you can say that this group is imposing their beliefs on the masses by running a huge ad campaign.

and funny, i was raised the same way but i still believe in God.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH So anyone that thinks otherwise lacks critical reasoning skills and common sense? LOL oh please The only thing that irks me about these ads (and I'm not religious) is that it assumes that people who are of faith are somehow worrying and stressing their whole life, which is hardly the case.

That's not what I said. I actually asked a question.

you guys are too serious.



George Michael interlude





I'm not religious, but my lady friend occasionaly gets religious "oh god. Oh god. Oh God!. OH GOAWDOHGODOHGAWDOHGOD!!!!"

That's what we call it.
"Hey baby. Wanna get religious?"


edit: the ads get a thumbs up from me. Quaility entertainment.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Any reason why this organization picked "God" instead of "Allah"... because the two are one and the same?

probably because God=Allah no?
God is just a general term for the highest deity, in their context

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew probably because God=Allah no? God is just a general term for the highest deity, in their context

lol

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Originally posted by El K Dee lol

correct me if I'm wrong, you doofus!

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew correct me if I'm wrong, you doofus!

did i say u were wrong? knucklehead

Just donated 100$ to atheistbus.ca
religious people push their delusions on us all day.
boo hoo it happens once to them. if you get offended by this ad, your beliefs must be pretty weak in the first place.

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Originally posted by dipsetrenegade Just donated 100$ to atheistbus.ca religious people push their delusions on us all day. boo hoo it happens once to them. if you get offended by this ad, your beliefs must be pretty weak in the first place.

u dont give gifts during christmas do u? and please tell me you work on dec 25th, good friday and easter..

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